Thoughts on taking Okudah

Now, not so much.

Create a dominate secondary. It would help the front get home more often.

The need isn't there so I'd go in another direction. Elite speed is lacking. Ball skills are ordinary at best. Hand play technique on the jam is subpar. Great with the play in front of him but he's no Patrick Peterson.

he is Darrelle Revis, i'd be disappointed and somewhat shocked if we drafted him. Even if he is Revis...we have spent FA and draft capital on CB. Time to move elsewhere.

In comment 14862911 Torrag said:

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The need isn't there so I'd go in another direction. Elite speed is lacking. Ball skills are ordinary at best. Hand play technique on the jam is subpar. Great with the play in front of him but he's no Patrick Peterson.

Therefore, a big NO at #4.

A true lockdown corner could be a three contract pick.

Having a pair would be a coaches wet dream. If the Giant believe he is all that, a debatable view, it could very likely be their choice.

It is his 2nd season. DG traded up to get him. Now the pressure is off and he had a much better 2nd half of last season. You see what you have with him. If issues continue, next year can look at CB round 1. Bradberry signed 3 years. You need to allow Baker to develop. Okudah would HAVE to become the next Revis to make Okudah worthy of the pick when you know there’s other needs as well as knowing the year before you traded back into round 1 for a CB.

OT or Simmons.

Bradbury, Okudah, and Baker would be one of the best young secondaries in the NFL and the best one we have ever had.

But I could get behind it. Great man corner. Gets like him are valuable to any defense.

I have no problem with it if they have him graded higher than anyone else on the board. We don't know what we have in Baker so it's a sunk cost if he doesn't make a big leap this year. If he does, then you can get real value in a trade for a young corner 2 years into his rookie deal.

Okudah is an elite prospect and probably the second safest player in the draft behind Chase Young. I'd rather elite at an extremely valuable position even if it's not one where we definitely have a need then just good or solid at a position of need. How many guys in this draft do you feel good about having a real chance to become one of the best at their position in the sport? It's not a running back we're talking about either.

So your third cb is really a starter. All good teams have an identity. We would very quickly become one of the best covering teams in the league.

If he's the highest rated player on the board you take him. The best way to remain uncompetitive is to pick lesser players because they play a certain position.

were very Patriot-y pickups. Okudah would be more along this line. Although I conjecture he will drop a little because he didn't blow up the 40. A trade down and pick up Okudah, I would fancy that.

In comment 14862956 Amtoft said:

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Bradbury, Okudah, and Baker would be one of the best young secondaries in the NFL and the best one we have ever had.

Throw in Love at FS, well rated rookie by PFF fwiw. And throw in Peppers.

OL & ER are the weak links on this team

In comment 14863082 Beer Man said:

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OL & ER are the weak links on this team

Yes but you don't get better by drafting less talented players because of the position they play. Unless Young somehow drops there is not an ER available. If the giants have Okudah rated the highest then you take him and create a real strength on this team.

Then you play to that strength.

Okudah gave up all year is 28 yards. Pretty impressive.

I take Okudah no hesitation. I've seen him play enough to know he's the goods.

he helps the defense the most. If they can lock up the top 2 WRs and have Baker for nickel? Sign me up.

he helps the defense the most. If they can lock up the top 2 WRs and have Baker for nickel? Sign me up.

IMO all have a high positional value because they are big play guys. Okudah would give us the potentially 1 of the top young secondaries in the NFL. Young would give us the pass rusher we've needed since Osi/Tuck moved on. Simmons is the playmaking LB who both cover and rush the passer. I watch a lot of CFB but don't do any sort of grading, but from what I've seen of each Sy's elite grades on each are legit. They all check every box.

If we could get 1 of them while also trading down, that's the grandslam but any of the above could be a homerun.

That every NFL draft board looks like William Pumpernickel's over at DraftDweeb.com

Maybe Okudah is ranked lower than he is on the internet

Who are the top receivers he faced? I know Higgins caught the game winning touchdown against him.

on him.
Now he may be in 1B tier at worst on everyone's board, but doubt he is below that.

Hamler(#66 THR)- Penn St(3 for 45)
Peoples Jones(#122 THR)- Michigan(3 for 69/1TD)
Quintez Cephus(#177THR)- Wisconsin(3 for 57)
Tee Higgins(#36THR)- Clemson(4 for 33/2pt conv)

He certainly limited their receptions.

The average per reception was bad though allowing nearly 16 yards per reception.

He was beaten for a TD and a 2 pt. conversion.

It would have been helpful if he'd faced some of the top guys to compare.

In comment 14863109 ghost718 said:

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That every NFL draft board looks like William Pumpernickel's over at DraftDweeb.com Maybe Okudah is ranked lower than he is on the internet

Like I said IF he is the top rated player on the board you take him. I will admit I don't watch college football. My point is IF he is the giants top rated player, you take him. Doesn't matter what investments you already made in the secondary. Build a dominate unit on your team.

Most on this board point to the cowboys OL. You know what they did? They built a dominate unit by continuing to use resources on it.

In my opinion the quickest way the giants can build a dominate unit is by taking Okudah.

Fyi it's dominant. And drafting Okudah at #4 is a bad idea.

He also upgrades the secondary with the added bonus of being able to rush the passer, shade the QB, and play LB

That DG, thankfully, won't even consider.

In comment 14863164 montanagiant said:

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He also upgrades the secondary with the added bonus of being able to rush the passer, shade the QB, and play LB

I'm on the Simmons wagon. Sy's got him as his second best defender in the draft. If we can't get Young, I'll take Simmons.

Baker. He had moments last season. And rookie CBs tend to struggle. And yeah, I haven't forgot about him half assing on that play in that Jets game. I'm not writing him off.

In comment 14863140 Torrag said:

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Hamler(#66 THR)- Penn St(3 for 45) Peoples Jones(#122 THR)- Michigan(3 for 69/1TD) Quintez Cephus(#177THR)- Wisconsin(3 for 57) Tee Higgins(#36THR)- Clemson(4 for 33/2pt conv) He certainly limited their receptions. The average per reception was bad though allowing nearly 16 yards per reception. He was beaten for a TD and a 2 pt. conversion. It would have been helpful if he'd faced some of the top guys to compare.

Okudah wasn't in coverage on all of those receptions. E.g., on the Peoples-Jones TD he was not covering him. The bulk of Cephus' yardage came on a 35 yard reception where Okudah wasn't in coverage either.

He only allowed 6 receptions all year that went for 15+ yards, all of which he was playing off coverage. In press coverage the longest reception he allowed was 12 yards.

In the past two seasons he hasn't allowed a single receiver to go for over 50 yards against him.
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will be there. It may be Simmons, Okudah or Wills. But we can get a top player and an extra pick(s). Okudah is very good at what he does. I wouldn't be disappointed at having an excellent secondary.

And Young is gone, I would take him.

In comment 14863227 jeff57 said:

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And Young is gone, I would take him.

He's my guy if young is gone too. Something special aboit that kid. Maybe by the time bradbury's 3 year deal is up he's the second best cb on the team, which really put's the giants in a powerful position for contract negotiations.

You cant be dominant evefywhere on the field in the salary cap era, but a really strong secondary, a really strong dl and a goid field general in martinez can possibly take us from worst to first in a hurry.

So he wasn't even shadowing the other teams top receiver in college? Interesting. Though that's not a regular practice you'd think maybe an elite CB would.

In 2019?

Nice try. You put up numbers against other CB's and now you try and blame Jeff because of a coaches decision.

on Peoples TD Jeff was covering the way more dangerous Nico Collins.

Doubt that he will be there

Combine him with Bradberry and Baker and draft or procure a deep cover fs and we might have a secondary to be proud of for a few seasons.

Coverage competence is critical in this day and age of a pass happy NFL.

Jints were #28 in pass defense last year so obtaining a top flight corner can only help improve this critical stat.

Graham apparently prefers press coverage and I think Okudah would thrive.

Having said all that - Jints really need to invest their high draft choices in the OL if they are going anywhere in the next year or two

Use that #4 pick on a trade-down to obtain two high picks that could be invested in the OL where there is a crying need and there will be improvement.

In comment 14863087 fireitup77 said:

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In comment 14863082 Beer Man said: Quote: OL & ER are the weak links on this team Yes but you don't get better by drafting less talented players because of the position they play. Unless Young somehow drops there is not an ER available. If the giants have Okudah rated the highest then you take him and create a real strength on this team. Then you play to that strength.

How do you know where players sit on the Giants' draft board? Do you have the inside info? The team has been on the decline for years, for the most because they have failed to build-up the trenches. Going with Okudah is not going to win any more games for the team in the upcoming season. If that happen DG will be out of a job. Because of this, I'd bet dollars for donuts that Okudah won't be the pick.

In comment 14863846 Beer Man said:

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In comment 14863087 fireitup77 said: Quote: In comment 14863082 Beer Man said: Quote: OL & ER are the weak links on this team Yes but you don't get better by drafting less talented players because of the position they play. Unless Young somehow drops there is not an ER available. If the giants have Okudah rated the highest then you take him and create a real strength on this team. Then you play to that strength. How do you know where players sit on the Giants' draft board? Do you have the inside info? The team has been on the decline for years, for the most because they have failed to build-up the trenches. Going with Okudah is not going to win any more games for the team in the upcoming season. If that happen DG will be out of a job. Because of this, I'd bet dollars for donuts that Okudah won't be the pick.

Did you miss the word IF in my response. You are correct, neither of us know what the Giants board looks like. My point is you take the best available player. If the giants believe he is the better player they should take him.

In comment 14863862 fireitup77 said:

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Did you miss the word IF in my response. You are correct, neither of us know what the Giants board looks like. My point is you take the best available player. If the giants believe he is the better player they should take him.

Its never that cut and dry. Most likely there will be a number of guys grouped fairly close on the draft board, and if one is ranked slightly lower than another, but is in an extreme position of need, my guess is is the team will go with the guy that they believe will result in more wins. I don't know what the team's draft board looks like, I have to imagine Okudah is high on it, along with a handful of other players; including an ER, LB and couple of OTs. But as I stated before, I would bet dollars for donuts Okudah will not be the Giants pick, as need does factor in.

as many scenarios state well the Giants may need to choose between two defenders: Okudah and the shutdown corner and Simmons the unique defender with skills no one else has in the NFL. I take Okudah though we signed Bradberry and my logic is he starts for us over Baker and Baker still gets plenty of playing time on this new defense. By mid-season, our secondary could be one of the Top 10 in the league easy, assuming Okudah is as good as we all hope he'll be IF TAKEN by NYG's.

If it goes Burrow, Young, Okudah then hopefully we can trade down a few spots with teams wanting Tua or even Hebert. But that may not be possible as I don't see Detroit passing up a pile of picks for #3. So maybe we get lucky: Burrow, Hebert, Tua and we get YOUNG! That is my favorite dream!