my ideal scenario - fwiw

would it be if a team trades to our spot and then pick Simmons? 😂

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For 12 and 19 and see the Giants select LB Kenneth Murray and ER Yetur Gross-Matos.

In comment 14863111 Big Blue '56 said:

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would it be if a team trades to our spot and then pick Simmons? 😂

Crazier stuff has happened.

In comment 14863116 Jay on the Island said:

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For 12 and 19 and see the Giants select LB Kenneth Murray and ER Yetur Gross-Matos.

It's intriguing. I'm not at all against a more aggressive trade down.

Although, if we go further down, I'd like to steal the back end of the big 4 tackles. Jeez, if you can go back and still get a Bekton or Thomas. Sweet Lord

In comment 14863116 Jay on the Island said:

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For 12 and 19 and see the Giants select LB Kenneth Murray and ER Yetur Gross-Matos.

As long as we can get a top C in the 2nd, I think this would be a great haul

Trade our 1st and 2nd for MIA 5/18/70.
Trade the new 18/70 to move up to 12/121

Get both Simmons and one of the top 4 OTs

I would be concerned if trading down for anybody other than Miami. If they want Tua and he is available then I would trade back with them if DG wants Simmons. If NYG wants OT specifically Wirfs, I would go back with LAC and select Wirfs picking up their 2nd round pick.

Ideally, my draft goes

1. Simmons
2. Cleveland
3. Anae
4. Biadasz
5. Golden Gandy

is that it is quite likely that all the OTs that we would have any expectation of being able to contribute this year will be gone by our pick in Rd 2. The team's FA signings on D, the talent available at OT at the top of the draft, and the absolute dearth of talent we have at that position (particularly beyond this year) screams to me that we are going OT in Rd 1, after a trade-down if we get a decent offer. IMO, the only way this doesn't happen is if Young slips to 4.

In comment 14863149 BigBlueNH said:

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is that it is quite likely that all the OTs that we would have any expectation of being able to contribute this year will be gone by our pick in Rd 2. The team's FA signings on D, the talent available at OT at the top of the draft, and the absolute dearth of talent we have at that position (particularly beyond this year) screams to me that we are going OT in Rd 1, after a trade-down if we get a decent offer. IMO, the only way this doesn't happen is if Young slips to 4.

Is there a rookie OT that can step right in and start AND stabilize the O Line ? More than Fleming, Solder and Gates? A really good player like Jackson, Jones or Cleveland can develop early and maybe step in and take over later in the year.

and then OT, C would be fantastic. Still leaves us thin at edge, but I'd sign up today

You cannot build a Football Offense without Tackles and an Offensive Line.

I love the Wills Tape.... an Athletic Pass Blocking Tackle. I think He's IT

we can leave it at that

In comment 14863145 V.I.G. said:

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Trade our 1st and 2nd for MIA 5/18/70. Trade the new 18/70 to move up to 12/121 Get both Simmons and one of the top 4 OTs

Would be ideal, just so hard to imagine Gettleman being that clever! If we could draft 5. Simmons 12. CeeDee Lamb - a true number 1 who can take the pressure off the Oline and Barkley would be tremendous. The next 3 picks could be OL, DL, OL....I think I would faint from an overload of optimism.

In comment 14863116 Jay on the Island said:

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For 12 and 19 and see the Giants select LB Kenneth Murray and ER Yetur Gross-Matos.

Give me CeeDee Lamb and Chaisson/Matos with the 2 1sr rdrs and grab BPA tackle (Josh Jones/Austin Jackson/Isaiah Wynn) with #36

Many of you suggest waiting to Rd. 2 to address this position. The top 4 tackles in this draft are almost certainly going in the top 15. (In the BBI Mock Draft, 5 tackles went in the top 12 picks.) With all the teams that will be looking for help at that position, the next tier are almost certain to start coming off the board later in Rd.1. We can't count on any of Jones, Jackson, Wynn or Cleveland being there at #36. And what if they only like 1 o 2 of those guys and they're gone. EVERY mock draft has multiple tackles going in the top 10, so the value is there. Gates is literally the only OT on the roster likely to be here in 2021. If we don't get a competent OT in this draft, we are F_CKED, and will be wasting SB, and setting up DJ for failure. We are taking an OT with our 1st pick.

Most of the 'con's of the other top players sound pretty nitpicky:
'good size but not ideal'
'footwork is servicable but needs work'
'top end speed underwhelming'



But when you dive into Simmons you see stuff like
'unable to disengage from blocks'
'bad instincts'
'undersized for the position, without the frame to add weight'

Those are all potentionally dealbreakers for an NFL linebacker. Even if they are not all true or overstated it is really scary to take s guy that is the definition of a tweener where any people are seeing any of that on tape.
He played on a clemson defense that was so dominant you could almost look at him as an extra player because everyone was doing their job and the line was eating up double-teams, you can't use him the same way in a struggling nfl defense.

And as intriguing as his speed is, if he takes an acl or a hamstring early in his career that cuts down on his top end speed what are you left with? An undersized linebacker? An oversized nickel cb?

I remember Leonard Floyd was sold in very much the same way: a tweener that was just too talented to pass on and he went 9th overall, people called it a steal. Chicago just cut him before his rookie deal finished, he is still unsigned.

In comment 14863294 Prude said:

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Most of the 'con's of the other top players sound pretty nitpicky: 'good size but not ideal' 'footwork is servicable but needs work' 'top end speed underwhelming' But when you dive into Simmons you see stuff like 'unable to disengage from blocks' 'bad instincts' 'undersized for the position, without the frame to add weight' Those are all potentionally dealbreakers for an NFL linebacker. Even if they are not all true or overstated it is really scary to take s guy that is the definition of a tweener where any people are seeing any of that on tape. He played on a clemson defense that was so dominant you could almost look at him as an extra player because everyone was doing their job and the line was eating up double-teams, you can't use him the same way in a struggling nfl defense. And as intriguing as his speed is, if he takes an acl or a hamstring early in his career that cuts down on his top end speed what are you left with? An undersized linebacker? An oversized nickel cb? I remember Leonard Floyd was sold in very much the same way: a tweener that was just too talented to pass on and he went 9th overall, people called it a steal. Chicago just cut him before his rookie deal finished, he is still unsigned. This is fair, to a point. Equally, you can poke some holes in the top OT's as well. Wills and Thomas seem the most ready from my seat. But Becton or Wirfs? They are as much a guarantee to be major contributors as Simmons is, no?

My ideal scenario was some four months back: in overtime against the Redskins, just fumble the frickin' ball near our goal line.

Why. It takes advantage of our RB (RBs have limited shelf life in the NFL) and protects our young QB. It will increase our time of possession on offense, shorten the game and keep the score closer which will rest our Defense and allow them to perform better.

You try and fix the Defense first and yes you hand the ball back to our Offense but it's a 3 and out machine which will put your defense back on the field and wear them out. You also waste another year of our young talent on offense.

Look at what Tenn was able to do with a mediocre QB and a running attack that was able to control the game. One game shy of the Superbowl. Yea their defense was much better than ours but the focus of the team was running the ball. Even New England runs the ball more than people think.

his position is DEFENSE. People have to understand that. If they draft him and stick him a LB, he will be meh to a bust. He has to be put in positions to make impact plays. That's the challenge. Similar to what the Ravens did with Jackson on offense, the Giants would need to make a defense to take advantage of Simmons immense talents. He CAN have that kind of impact! I like Billy's thoughts. Very possible.