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“We literally sat there for two hours and he asked me questions about every NFL receiver — how he releases [off the line of scrimmage] and why,” Jeff Hafley told The Post. “That showed how much he loves football and how serious he is about how good he wants to be, where most college guys would’ve been hanging out with their buddies.” Okudah’s likely landing spots are Detroit — as a replacement for traded All-Pro Darius Slay, whether at pick No. 3 or slightly lower after a much-speculated trade — or the Giants at No. 4. “In the NFL, you are going to get balls thrown on you and touchdowns caught on you, which he hasn’t had a whole lot of,” Hafley said. “He is going to have to mentally challenge himself to line up and do it over and over again at a high level. I believe it’s one of the hardest positions to play as a rookie.” |
Who's right will be known in time.
And they are going to take another one this year.
Big questions from a year ago remain, OL and pass rush. But, I expect the defense to improve because it couldn't be worse. And, their overall best talent is really young and will hopefully make leaps forward.
Just curious...IF they do go OT...who is your preferred choice?
Oline needs to be improved but the thing about Oline is you are only as good as your weakest link, not as good as your strongest, and this is particularly true in pass protection. If it's me, I'm grabbing a playmaker of defense at 4 and continue looking for opportunities to improve Oline in remaining draft.
But if they do decide to go OT at 4, I sure hope they get a guy who can be a difference maker in the running game.
I am really warming up to this pick.
With a 4.48 forty (TE Evan Engram at 240 is 4.4). Okudah is not shut-down material.
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and 8 wins is a good sign the arrow could be pointing up, at last. And, if they go OT at #4 I'll back the pick and hope he's a fucking animal for NYG.
Just curious...IF they do go OT...who is your preferred choice?
I really like Wirfs, my only concern with him is positional ceiling. Is he best suited to RT? OG? I want a potential replacement for Solder at #4.
With a 4.48 forty (TE Evan Engram at 240 is 4.4). Okudah is not shut-down material.
Who do you consider a shut-down corner?
Can you clarify? You mean you'd hope they would trade down?
IF we had to make the pick at #4 I'd go Young if available and take Wills/Simmons before I'd pick Okudah. I have them in the same tier.
The Giants worst units are offensive line and secondary . Everybody centers on the line but the secondary is a mess. Coaching will help-no question . But who is really reliable back there ?
I still think they will trade down to get an extra pick . Those picks will be an offensive lineman and a center . But with all these scenarios that are developing , the only one I don’t like is getting Simmons at 4 . Even with thought of him being purely a S .
Judge isn’t going to do this in a year . The talent level of the roster is not high enough for that . But the plan is in place instead of pipe dreams and disastrous sentimentality .
Wills/Wirfs or Simmons make the most sense.
Give it another year and let’s reevaluate if DG missed on all his corner decisions.
Deion, Champ Bailey, D Green—they were all guys who ran
Under 4.3
Ronnie Lott did not have elite speed, but he also switched to
Safety. I think Lott is the best comparison if you think Okudah can
Be great. But isn’t it long odds looking for the next Ronnie Lott?
That's your answer GFAN52.
If you have elite speed, that helps you make up for your mistakes; no substitute for it.
"Graham’s defense brought extra pressure significantly less often, relying on blanket coverage from the secondary. The Dolphins only sent four rushers on 51 percent of snaps, five rushers on 21 percent of snaps, and six or more rushers on six percent of snaps, managing to get extra pressure on the quarterback on 27 percent of plays, the fewest in the NFL. "
Graham's tendencies - ( New Window )
yeah, and they were the worst defense I saw all year. Honestly, I hope this hire pans out for us.
As opposed to trotting Jones out there behind rookies?
You have way too much faith in rookies. You guys seem to thi k a rookie tackle and rookie center are going to hit the ground running and keep Jones clean all year.
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don't bitch and moan when Jones is still getting destroyed game after game
As opposed to trotting Jones out there behind rookies?
You have way too much faith in rookies. You guys seem to thi k a rookie tackle and rookie center are going to hit the ground running and keep Jones clean all year.
Nobody thinks that, as depending upon who and when they pick they can work guys in as they go thru season or next year, subject to injuries of course.
But if you don’t start...you will never finish.
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don't bitch and moan when Jones is still getting destroyed game after game
As opposed to trotting Jones out there behind rookies?
You have way too much faith in rookies. You guys seem to thi k a rookie tackle and rookie center are going to hit the ground running and keep Jones clean all year.
This whole conversation escapes me. We have no OL. We might luck out and start curing that by selecting an OT in this draft. They all tell us the OTs available in it are swell. Pick what the best one is and be done with it, win or lose. How worrying about other positions can compete with this need makes me (and many others) crazy. Pick the OT!
Where as OL has changed b/c of the spread, and the players coming out of College now, aren't the same as ones of years past.
So you have a bunch of cranky greybeards downgrading them b/c they're looking for unicorns.
Deion, Champ Bailey, D Green—they were all guys who ran
Under 4.3
Ronnie Lott did not have elite speed, but he also switched to
Safety. I think Lott is the best comparison if you think Okudah can
Be great. But isn’t it long odds looking for the next Ronnie Lott?
Richard Sherman, Ronde Barber and Aeneas Williams were all slower than Okudah at the combine.
Deion, Champ Bailey, D Green—they were all guys who ran
Under 4.3
Ronnie Lott did not have elite speed, but he also switched to
Safety. I think Lott is the best comparison if you think Okudah can
Be great. But isn’t it long odds looking for the next Ronnie Lott?
Strictly looking at his athletic profile from his gymnastic numbers, he’s in the 95th percentile range according to things like RAS and Sparq score. His 40 was kind of average but his size and explosive numbers are off the charts. That’s not really a question.
I’m perfectly fine with Okudah at 4, he’ll probably be BPA when taking into account position value. I don’t see a problem overloading at CB either, it’s a position with a high bust rate and Okudah is as close as you can get to can’t miss at the position. It’s also a position where the 3-5th guy on your depth chart are seeing as many snaps as some of your starters at seasons end. The addition of Bradberry and need at OL should absolutely matter...it’s enough for me to lean OT or Simmons over him but he would not be a bad pick by any stretch.
This continues to be one of the most mind numbing takes I keep seeing. Were some of you even watching the games last year? That was the worst Giants secondary I’ve ever seen as a fan. And that was before we cut our best player there.
I agree with the concerns about Okudah potentially suffocating our other young guys on the depth chart but acting like this wasn’t one of our worst units last year (by far THE worst unit imo) is just confusing.
This board (not all but most) have been for 2 months. It will be same problems with this team next year no pass rush and a bad offensive line. I can’t believe how many people want to take a corner back this high when the oline is still bad
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You people on here are obsessed with this guy. Every week since the combine all is see Okudah. We can’t rush the passer or block to saves our lives we won Super Bowls because of pass rush and good blocking 2007 and 2011 but let’s take another Ohio state CB. Can’t wait to be 4-12 agains next year
This continues to be one of the most mind numbing takes I keep seeing. Were some of you even watching the games last year? That was the worst Giants secondary I’ve ever seen as a fan. And that was before we cut our best player there.
I agree with the concerns about Okudah potentially suffocating our other young guys on the depth chart but acting like this wasn’t one of our worst units last year (by far THE worst unit imo) is just confusing.
I watch the games and I continue to see One of the worst offensive lines in the game and it’s been this way for years. Even Hernandez looked bad last year... it is a big problem. We need a center and a tackle
I frankly don't know how it could get much worse.
But the Defense should be getting better with experience. And the OL absolutely will be getting worse.
Lets look prospectively at the state of the team since its the Draft.
You pay the other 10 guys to tackle. The absolute last attribute to consider for elite cover corners is tackling
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is super soft, poor avoiding tackler.
You pay the other 10 guys to tackle. The absolute last attribute to consider for elite cover corners is tackling
That's nonsense. Soft play, much like physical play, has a tendency to be contagious.