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| “We literally sat there for two hours and he asked me questions about every NFL receiver — how he releases [off the line of scrimmage] and why,” Jeff Hafley told The Post. “That showed how much he loves football and how serious he is about how good he wants to be, where most college guys would’ve been hanging out with their buddies.” Okudah’s likely landing spots are Detroit — as a replacement for traded All-Pro Darius Slay, whether at pick No. 3 or slightly lower after a much-speculated trade — or the Giants at No. 4. “In the NFL, you are going to get balls thrown on you and touchdowns caught on you, which he hasn’t had a whole lot of,” Hafley said. “He is going to have to mentally challenge himself to line up and do it over and over again at a high level. I believe it’s one of the hardest positions to play as a rookie.” |
Trade down.
However, the tackle situation is scary. Solder was not good last year and they have nothing at Right tackle. I can't believe they go into the season with the idea that Flemming/Gates are locks to hold one tackle spot. They did sign a couple tackles last year off practice squads and even if they like some of the potential it is very risky.
As long as one of the OT's are graded as a top ten talent and the floor is good starter I can't see them passing on one. Next year they very well will not be in this spot again (draft) and I don't want them having to spend exorbitant dollars next year in FA on one.
Then the other big element is the teams in our division who all believe in throwing waves of DL and getting pressure. The Giants have to counter this.
I disagree with this logic. If Okudah is the better player, which he is, you take him.
Agree. And in some ways, although Young’s ceiling might be higher, I think Okudah is probably the safer pick.
"Graham’s defense brought extra pressure significantly less often, relying on blanket coverage from the secondary. The Dolphins only sent four rushers on 51 percent of snaps, five rushers on 21 percent of snaps, and six or more rushers on six percent of snaps, managing to get extra pressure on the quarterback on 27 percent of plays, the fewest in the NFL. "
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I really like Okudah.
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Take a guy like Simmons
I disagree with this logic. If Okudah is the better player, which he is, you take him.
If so, by how much. At worst, from all I’ve read, it’s pretty darn close
a surplus of unproven corners doesn't mean we are in good shape.
Of course, count me among those hoping Young somehow slips to the Giants. If the Redskins are willing to trade out or really want Simmons, and the Lions really want Okudah ... perhaps the Giants finally get lucky.
They need help at OT. But, if it doesn't arrive via the draft we're going to hear how confident they are in Solder and Fleming, whom the Patriots won a SB with, yada, yada.
Okudah, Bradberry and Baker.
Bradberry goes on outside. I think Baker showed enough by end of year that he can play on outside as well.
It would be really helpful of Okudah can thrive in Slot as much as he does outside. Not ideal value for #4 pick.
Roster building strategies just seem to be odd with this regime. While Simmons, Brown and Okudah are all top notch players, they all come with some overlap to players we just added to the team in Peppers, Williams/Lawrence, and Bradberry.
Right Tackle looks open though :-)
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who plays outside corners?
Okudah, Bradberry and Baker.
There are only two outsides. Who are you benching?
Yep
Me too. Despite having a few solid players, this defense is desperately short on elite talent. Picking at 4, the goal should be a perennial All Pro caliber player, regardless of position.
Not sure how he'll do aginst NFL linemen. He's going to be a very good player. Just not sure it's at LB. Okudah is a much safer pick, IMO. And, most think he has top five value.
I get that this “positionless defender” is all the rage right now, but there are certainly some concerns with that idea. Jack of all trades, master of none kind of deal.
A perfect example is Jabrill Peppers. He’s not really a CB, LB, or S. He kind of falls in between all those position. And he’s a good player, but is he being utilized correctly?
When need and BPA match, it should be a no brainer. That's why I have a hard time seeing Detroit, if they stay at 3, passing on Okudah, with Slay having been traded. Okudah, Simmons, and Brown will probably be rated about the same on most boards. So need CAN factor into the decision.
For NY, they make up rows. Young likely goes on his own row, Simmons, Okudah, Brown on the next. The question we all would love to know, are any of the OTs on THAT row?
When need and BPA match, it should be a no brainer. That's why I have a hard time seeing Detroit, if they stay at 3, passing on Okudah, with Slay having been traded. Okudah, Simmons, and Brown will probably be rated about the same on most boards. So need CAN factor into the decision.
For NY, they make up rows. Young likely goes on his own row, Simmons, Okudah, Brown on the next. The question we all would love to know, are any of the OTs on THAT row?
Summed up well, especially re: LT draft.
If one of the tackles is scouted to be a perennial all-pro LT, then by all means pull the trigger, no question.
I'm just worried we pick a guy who has to be moved to guard in a couple years, while a guy like Okudah is in the Pro Bowl every year for another team.
Admittedly, my opinion is still skewed by that fucking slug Flowers. But I'm no scout, just a fan kicking around opinions.
If you're smart, you draft into the draft's inherent strengths. There isn't help available at #4, unless Young drops.
Really like Wirfs upside, but if he can't play blindside it limits his value to me.
Bradberry is on a 3 year deal, none of the young corners have proven anything. Okudah would be the best player on the board if he's available at our pick. I would hope he'd get a long look, despite the investment in corner last draft and in free agency. You need three starting CBs in this league. I think Okudah has the quickness and athleticism to play some in the slot if that's where they wanted to start him off. His sophomore year he played all over when he was part of a three CB rotation with Arnette and Kendall Sheffield.
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who plays outside corners?
Okudah, Bradberry and Baker.
There are only two outsides. Who are you benching?
Baker. But he’d be in a lot of passing downs anyway. And DBs seem to get injured as much as any position.
If he doesn't, and Gettleman can orchestrate a trade down to grab some draft collateral and still get one of the OTs in his top tier, then pull the trigger on deal.
If trade down is not in the cards, pick highest OT on board at #4.
Simmons, Okudah and Brown are all nice pieces and we wish them well so long as their interests don't conflict with ours.
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This means... QB, RB, OL, 3 down DL, LB
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In two years, Baker will be coming up on a contract decision, Bradberry will be close to 30. Things change fast in the NFL, can't have too much talent at CB, Edge, WR, and we're still thin or unproven across those positions.
Wouldn't this apply to DT then too? Plus having a deep strong DT rotation can be a big advantage. This would be the argument for D Brown who also appears as a blue chip defender to some.
Unless he's destined for greatness, I'm not a huge fan of DT in the top 5. Especially if we're going to design scheme around Edge talent eventually. CB talent has more value than DT talent, imv. Some will disagree and prefer DL, but I value CB and Edge over DT.