Jeff Okudah has potential to be ‘home-run pick’

CB play hasn't changed much in the past decade or so, so people are more confident in evaluating those players.

Where as OL has changed b/c of the spread, and the players coming out of College now, aren't the same as ones of years past.

So you have a bunch of cranky greybeards downgrading them b/c they're looking for unicorns.

In comment 14863943 Vanzetti said:

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But can you be a great one? Deion, Champ Bailey, D Green—they were all guys who ran Under 4.3 Ronnie Lott did not have elite speed, but he also switched to Safety. I think Lott is the best comparison if you think Okudah can Be great. But isn’t it long odds looking for the next Ronnie Lott?

Richard Sherman, Ronde Barber and Aeneas Williams were all slower than Okudah at the combine.

In comment 14863943 Vanzetti said:

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But can you be a great one? Deion, Champ Bailey, D Green—they were all guys who ran Under 4.3 Ronnie Lott did not have elite speed, but he also switched to Safety. I think Lott is the best comparison if you think Okudah can Be great. But isn’t it long odds looking for the next Ronnie Lott?

Strictly looking at his athletic profile from his gymnastic numbers, he’s in the 95th percentile range according to things like RAS and Sparq score. His 40 was kind of average but his size and explosive numbers are off the charts. That’s not really a question.

I’m perfectly fine with Okudah at 4, he’ll probably be BPA when taking into account position value. I don’t see a problem overloading at CB either, it’s a position with a high bust rate and Okudah is as close as you can get to can’t miss at the position. It’s also a position where the 3-5th guy on your depth chart are seeing as many snaps as some of your starters at seasons end. The addition of Bradberry and need at OL should absolutely matter...it’s enough for me to lean OT or Simmons over him but he would not be a bad pick by any stretch.

You people on here are obsessed with this guy. Every week since the combine all is see Okudah. We can’t rush the passer or block to saves our lives we won Super Bowls because of pass rush and good blocking 2007 and 2011 but let’s take another Ohio state CB. Can’t wait to be 4-12 agains next year

In comment 14864134 13ODB said:

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You people on here are obsessed with this guy. Every week since the combine all is see Okudah. We can’t rush the passer or block to saves our lives we won Super Bowls because of pass rush and good blocking 2007 and 2011 but let’s take another Ohio state CB. Can’t wait to be 4-12 agains next year

This continues to be one of the most mind numbing takes I keep seeing. Were some of you even watching the games last year? That was the worst Giants secondary I’ve ever seen as a fan. And that was before we cut our best player there.

I agree with the concerns about Okudah potentially suffocating our other young guys on the depth chart but acting like this wasn’t one of our worst units last year (by far THE worst unit imo) is just confusing.

In comment 14863915 ryanmkeane said:

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don't bitch and moan when Jones is still getting destroyed game after game

This board (not all but most) have been for 2 months. It will be same problems with this team next year no pass rush and a bad offensive line. I can’t believe how many people want to take a corner back this high when the oline is still bad

In comment 14864139 AcesUp said:

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In comment 14864134 13ODB said: Quote: You people on here are obsessed with this guy. Every week since the combine all is see Okudah. We can’t rush the passer or block to saves our lives we won Super Bowls because of pass rush and good blocking 2007 and 2011 but let’s take another Ohio state CB. Can’t wait to be 4-12 agains next year This continues to be one of the most mind numbing takes I keep seeing. Were some of you even watching the games last year? That was the worst Giants secondary I’ve ever seen as a fan. And that was before we cut our best player there. I agree with the concerns about Okudah potentially suffocating our other young guys on the depth chart but acting like this wasn’t one of our worst units last year (by far THE worst unit imo) is just confusing.

I watch the games and I continue to see One of the worst offensive lines in the game and it’s been this way for years. Even Hernandez looked bad last year... it is a big problem. We need a center and a tackle

There were a lot of issues. OL was bad last year but the extent is a little overblown. I do think it’s our biggest need but a lot of that has to do with there being three positions needing to be replaced within the next two years and Zeitler needing replacement not long after that. However, speaking strictly on last year, my eyes were telling me that our secondary was worse and just about every statistical measure there is supports that. It was a huge need heading into the offseason, overblown optimism on our picks last year and it being a little bit newer of a team killer, compared to the old standbys like OL and pass rush, might be why some are overlooking just how shitty they were.

It isn't. It may be worse. 3rd in QB hits and pressures allowed. Can't run block to save our asses. Hernandez the only young talent in the pipeline. No starting caliber OC even on the roster. As bad as he's played in back to back years Solder is the only starting OT presence and he's a likely cut after 2020.

I frankly don't know how it could get much worse.

In comment 14864155 AcesUp said:

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There were a lot of issues. OL was bad last year but the extent is a little overblown. I do think it’s our biggest need but a lot of that has to do with there being three positions needing to be replaced within the next two years and Zeitler needing replacement not long after that. However, speaking strictly on last year, my eyes were telling me that our secondary was worse and just about every statistical measure there is supports that. It was a huge need heading into the offseason, overblown optimism on our picks last year and it being a little bit newer of a team killer, compared to the old standbys like OL and pass rush, might be why some are overlooking just how shitty they were.

But the Defense should be getting better with experience. And the OL absolutely will be getting worse.

Lets look prospectively at the state of the team since its the Draft.

In comment 14863502 JonC said:

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is super soft, poor avoiding tackler.

You pay the other 10 guys to tackle. The absolute last attribute to consider for elite cover corners is tackling

In comment 14864273 CromartiesKid21 said:

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You pay the other 10 guys to tackle. The absolute last attribute to consider for elite cover corners is tackling

Finally someone who thinks along the same lines. To me if Henderson is a better cover corner, he'd be a much better value pick. Honestly I don't see how that even makes Okudah BPA @ #4.

and I know that sounds good but its BS, they draft the guy they want if he's there ..

In comment 14864273 CromartiesKid21 said:

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In comment 14863502 JonC said: Quote: is super soft, poor avoiding tackler. You pay the other 10 guys to tackle. The absolute last attribute to consider for elite cover corners is tackling

That's nonsense. Soft play, much like physical play, has a tendency to be contagious.

You hearing anything vis a vis the pick, where we're leaning?

they love Wirfs, Brown, and like Simmons (how much is unclear). Of course, if Young somehow slips he's the pick.

OL has been a crapshoot for years now. Nobody drafts them in the top four anymore -name one who has worked out well. Top 5 picks are QBs or defense every year, Get smart. Ol line talent is just not athletically worth the gamble they will ever develop. MO