State of affairs:
-Shepherd - savvy and polished in every way. Somewhat undersized, but not for a slot WR. The key concern is the concussions so there is a heightened risk of an early retirement.
-Tate - tough vet who plays way bigger than his height
-Slayton - seems to be a great find; high end speed, decent hands, good chemistry with DJ (random/unimportant: despite having undoubtedly elite speed, he doesn't have a running style that jumps off the screen to make you think he's as fast as he truly is)
Others:
-let's keep Engram in the TE bucket for now although that may not be entirely true
-Core probably remains a STer and a good one.
-Sills may be a hidden gem but he needs to get more physical to achieve success at this level
-Coleman was resigned but I'm not a believer
Draft hope: I'd like to see them draft 2 WRs on Day 3. I'd like to see them target a slot guy and a bigger guy, perhaps round 5 and one of the 7s.
Slot target:
James Proche - he's very much like Shepherd
Van Jefferson/KJ Hill - both elite route runners albeit not physically impressive
Size:
Tyler Johnson - extremely competitive, almost like Anquon Bolden in many ways
Joe Reed - somewhat similar to Laviska Shenault who will go several round earlier; 6'2" 220 and highly athletic
Quintez Cephus - another highly competitive player; blocks his ass off, dangerous and physical after the catch; not going to get behind a lot of people but has a lot of other assets
WRs I don't care for:
Big guys that aren't physical enough: Tee Higgins, Isiah Hodgins, Collin Johnson, Ben Victor
Bad hands: Juwan Johnson, Quartney Davis, Quez Watkins, John Hightower
Another thing to consider is that Tate is on the other side of 30 and SS is a bad concussion away from early retirement.
Slot is pretty well covered with Tate and Shep., Giants need a big bodied guy on the outside to win the contested catch. There will be many options in this draft and I’d like to see them add one or two.
He is one of two guys I am not familiar with (and want to be). The other is ISAIAH COULTER
i agree with this, i think they should take 2 this year as well
2 Mims
3 Pittman/Edwards/Claypool/Gibson/Johnson
4 see Rd3
5 Cephus
6/7 Proche/Reed/Hill
The premise in the OP is to NOT use an early draft asset on a WR but rather 2 late ones e.g. Cephus in RD5 and Proche with one of the 7s.
Depends on who is available. First round out of question. Because it’s so deep, there may be a 1st round talent that slips to 36. If other positions are taken (ie no LB, DE, or OT falls that they like depending on the 1st round pick), WR could be in play at 36. As for their 3rd rounder, they have a late 3 and an early 4. They are likely to draft a WR there if they don’t at 36. You can get a starter there, where you wouldn’t at many other positions
I think all of that is true. But I just don't think he is fast, dynamic or physical. Big guy but total finesse player.
NYG doesn't have a pressing need here but the value could be too good to pass at 36. Also, this is potentially Tate's last season with the Giants and Shepard has a history with concussions.. It would be smart to add more talent to the pipeline.
Getting a receiver with some size and a larger catch radius would benefit Jones and round out this group. Higgins, Pittman, Mims, Claypool fit that profile.
I'm just a fan so this is just pure speculation and hope but I'd rather see a draft that looks like this:
1 LB Simmons
2 OT Wilson
3 C Biadasz
4 Edge Willekes
5 then WR like say, Cephus
than...
1 LB Simmons
2 WIDE RECEIVER
...and then have to address C/OT after that
Can you talk about this guy a bit? At a glance, he seems to have some Michael Gallup in him (thin, wiry build, good speed/hands) but that's only based on minimal knowledge on my part.
It's plausible that there are 2 or 3 available that the Giants have a first round grade on.
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the Giants take a WR much higher than anticipated.
I'm just a fan so this is just pure speculation and hope but I'd rather see a draft that looks like this:
1 LB Simmons
2 OT Wilson
3 C Biadasz
4 Edge Willekes
5 then WR like say, Cephus
than...
1 LB Simmons
2 WIDE RECEIVER
...and then have to address C/OT after that
I'd rather see them draft the best player than leave talent on the board to fill a need.
Flowers says hi.
Nice size and different than our other guys.
LOL I've been priming that pump for weeks.
Brugler's summary:
"SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Wisconsin, Cephus was the go-to receiver in head coach Paul Chryst’s pro-style scheme, lining up both inside and outside. A basketball-first athlete the first 18 years of his life, he took a winding road to this point in his career, including a 22-month absence from the field at Wisconsin (broken leg and off-field issues, including his expulsion after the sexual assault charges), returning in 2019 to lead the team in receiving. Cephus is a good-sized athlete with the catch radius and toughness that translates well to the pro game. Although he doesn’t labor in/out of his breaks, his patterns lack nuance and he must adopt more attention to detail. Overall, Cephus needs to better coordinate the athleticism within his routes, but his hardwood background is apparent with his body control and ball skills, displaying NFL impact potential if he adds polish."
No character issues -- acquitted in a trial and his coaches and teammates would follow him anywhere.
I think his 'shortcomings' are fixable and may be a factor of his late arrival to the position.
He is also an excellent downfield blocker (you have to be to play WR at UW).
Brugler has him at 5-6th round and I would love us to nab him.
That could well mean that we get the top-rated defender at 4 (Young/Simmons/Okudah) and then select a WR at 36.
I know some will contend that since the WR class is so deep the Giants can wait until day three. But when you have so much first round talent at a single position (like WR) it means that a potential #1 WR could slip to 36.
If Mims or Jefferson somehow slide to 36, I hope the Giants go that route instead of the "fill the OL holes" option.
BPA at 4 and 36. Then fill the holes in rounds 3-7.
So did Ramses Barden. I question his ability to separate from NFL DB's and route running.
Think Tate is safe for this year.
That's a tall order.
I would be delirious with 3 among: OT, OC, FS, ER, WR
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if WR is so deep in this draft and we have such huge holes at positions that are not deep, why would we take a WR early (first 3 rounds)?
The premise in the OP is to NOT use an early draft asset on a WR but rather 2 late ones e.g. Cephus in RD5 and Proche with one of the 7s.
I understand that (maybe I should've made that clear). My Q was directed at posts by JonC, et al, who say we might take WR at 36.
On the other hand, if they go OT in the first, it's going to be very difficult for them to go offense in the second.
So I'm thinking they're going to push drafting a receiver past the second round if their board permits it. But what do I know?
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You don’t mention Antonio Golden-Gandy? Kid has the goods to be a very very good WR in the league. Huge catch radius, good hands and speed, not to mention he’s 6’4. Definitely my dark horse to be the pick in the 4th rd
So did Ramses Barden. I question his ability to separate from NFL DB's and route running.
I agree. I thought he was really slow in and out of his breaks during senior bowl practices.
Seems we have WAY too many gigantic holes at pos. with less depth in the draft.
I respect JonC and his opinions, but it makes no sense to me taking a WR at 36 in a deep draft when, we could potentially still be looking for a starting OT and C or impact D if we went OT in 1st.
I'm a big believer in BPA, but there are limits. Like when you need a starting C and their are a few good ones that are going to be gone by the 3rd rd; while you can still get a good WR in 3rd and beyond.
Seems we have WAY too many gigantic holes at pos. with less depth in the draft.
I respect JonC and his opinions, but it makes no sense to me taking a WR at 36 in a deep draft when, we could potentially still be looking for a starting OT and C or impact D if we went OT in 1st.
I'm a big believer in BPA, but there are limits. Like when you need a starting C and their are a few good ones that are going to be gone by the 3rd rd; while you can still get a good WR in 3rd and beyond.
Yeah, I'd be really worried to exit this draft without a starting OC and OT who we couldn't have as a swing OT at a minimum in 2020 and feel good about starting potential down the road.
Or the run on WRs would push down talent at other positions.
A really good prospect on day 3.
A really good prospect on day 3.
Thank you!