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NYG - Possible WR Targets in this draft

NYG22 : 4/9/2020 9:36 am
State of affairs:

-Shepherd - savvy and polished in every way. Somewhat undersized, but not for a slot WR. The key concern is the concussions so there is a heightened risk of an early retirement.

-Tate - tough vet who plays way bigger than his height

-Slayton - seems to be a great find; high end speed, decent hands, good chemistry with DJ (random/unimportant: despite having undoubtedly elite speed, he doesn't have a running style that jumps off the screen to make you think he's as fast as he truly is)

Others:

-let's keep Engram in the TE bucket for now although that may not be entirely true
-Core probably remains a STer and a good one.
-Sills may be a hidden gem but he needs to get more physical to achieve success at this level
-Coleman was resigned but I'm not a believer

Draft hope: I'd like to see them draft 2 WRs on Day 3. I'd like to see them target a slot guy and a bigger guy, perhaps round 5 and one of the 7s.

Slot target:

James Proche - he's very much like Shepherd

Van Jefferson/KJ Hill - both elite route runners albeit not physically impressive

Size:

Tyler Johnson - extremely competitive, almost like Anquon Bolden in many ways

Joe Reed - somewhat similar to Laviska Shenault who will go several round earlier; 6'2" 220 and highly athletic

Quintez Cephus - another highly competitive player; blocks his ass off, dangerous and physical after the catch; not going to get behind a lot of people but has a lot of other assets

WRs I don't care for:

Big guys that aren't physical enough: Tee Higgins, Isiah Hodgins, Collin Johnson, Ben Victor

Bad hands: Juwan Johnson, Quartney Davis, Quez Watkins, John Hightower

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Would love if they took a flier on  
nyballa0891 : 4/9/2020 9:39 am : link
Quintez Cephus
T. Johnson or Cephus would be fine with me.  
LTIsTheGreatest : 4/9/2020 9:40 am : link
unless Claypool is still there in round 4, which is doubtful,then he'd be my pick at WR
Mims would be a hard guy to resist. He's got 6'3 size, 4.38 speed,  
Ira : 4/9/2020 9:41 am : link
good hands and toughness. I know we want to go bargain hunting late, but Mims should develop into the number 1 wideout that opens things up for Barkley and our other receivers.

Another thing to consider is that Tate is on the other side of 30 and SS is a bad concussion away from early retirement.
Van Jefferson, long long gone by the start of  
barens : 4/9/2020 9:41 am : link
day 3. He is a fantastic player.
I think we need  
beatrixkiddo : 4/9/2020 9:43 am : link
To add one or 2 outside guys to this roster, rally don’t have a true #1. Would like to target someone who could potentially grow into that role. I think Slayton is the only guy on the roster who plays the outside, but I view him as more of a #2 option.

Slot is pretty well covered with Tate and Shep., Giants need a big bodied guy on the outside to win the contested catch. There will be many options in this draft and I’d like to see them add one or two.
Late in the draft  
Mike in NY : 4/9/2020 9:45 am : link
Josh Pearson of Jacksonville State. I too am a fan of Van Jefferson even though I am hearing early Day 2 for him.
Jalen Reagor...  
Milton : 4/9/2020 9:47 am : link
...is the guy I have my eye on with the 36th overall pick. He isn't the size/speed/length guy that BBI covets, but neither was OBJ and the problem with him had nothing to do with size and speed.
agree on most of the follow-ups  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 9:52 am : link
but was focusing on Day 3 bargains
RE: Late in the draft  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 9:54 am : link
In comment 14863474 Mike in NY said:
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Josh Pearson of Jacksonville State. I too am a fan of Van Jefferson even though I am hearing early Day 2 for him.


He is one of two guys I am not familiar with (and want to be). The other is ISAIAH COULTER
Giants  
PaulN : 4/9/2020 10:00 am : link
Must add a wideout that stretches the defenses and stops the 9 in the box defenses, it is a must addition and a high priority. Another is shifting Engram to a slot reciever and ending his moronic tight end days, stupid coaching is killing this franchise.
WR is extremely deep this draft  
KDavies : 4/9/2020 10:01 am : link
Drafting 2 WRs would be an excellent move playing to the strength of the draft
RE: WR is extremely deep this draft  
GiantsFan84 : 4/9/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 14863499 KDavies said:
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Drafting 2 WRs would be an excellent move playing to the strength of the draft


i agree with this, i think they should take 2 this year as well
I expect WR to be in play at #36  
JonC : 4/9/2020 10:04 am : link
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Bryan Edwards  
lugnut : 4/9/2020 10:11 am : link
of South Carolina? Rd 3-4? Seems to get lost in the mix of discussion. Biggish, does everything well but nothing spectacular?? Not sure if he's the sexy speed guy to be our #1, but like I said, he seems to be overlooked and could drop a bit. Evidently Gamecocks started recruiting him at 13.
RD and targets  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 10:16 am : link
1 n/a

2 Mims

3 Pittman/Edwards/Claypool/Gibson/Johnson

4 see Rd3

5 Cephus

6/7 Proche/Reed/Hill
Tee Higgins  
jeff57 : 4/9/2020 10:18 am : link
Tall. Wide catch radius. Great hands. Red zone threat.
I don't know jack about college compared to most here but  
Dr. D : 4/9/2020 10:20 am : link
if WR is so deep in this draft and we have such huge holes at positions that are not deep, why would we take a WR early (first 3 rounds)?
RE: I don't know jack about college compared to most here but  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 10:29 am : link
In comment 14863534 Dr. D said:
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if WR is so deep in this draft and we have such huge holes at positions that are not deep, why would we take a WR early (first 3 rounds)?


The premise in the OP is to NOT use an early draft asset on a WR but rather 2 late ones e.g. Cephus in RD5 and Proche with one of the 7s.
RE: I don't know jack about college compared to most here but  
KDavies : 4/9/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14863534 Dr. D said:
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if WR is so deep in this draft and we have such huge holes at positions that are not deep, why would we take a WR early (first 3 rounds)?


Depends on who is available. First round out of question. Because it’s so deep, there may be a 1st round talent that slips to 36. If other positions are taken (ie no LB, DE, or OT falls that they like depending on the 1st round pick), WR could be in play at 36. As for their 3rd rounder, they have a late 3 and an early 4. They are likely to draft a WR there if they don’t at 36. You can get a starter there, where you wouldn’t at many other positions
Also I disagree that WR is not a large need  
KDavies : 4/9/2020 10:39 am : link
They have Tate Shephard and Slayton. Tate is likely to be gone in a year or so.
RE: Tee Higgins  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14863532 jeff57 said:
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Tall. Wide catch radius. Great hands. Red zone threat.


I think all of that is true. But I just don't think he is fast, dynamic or physical. Big guy but total finesse player.
I think the ideal situation  
DonnieD89 : 4/9/2020 10:42 am : link
Would be if the Giants could pick up an early third round pick. Would love to see them take a shot at big guys like Pittman, Jr.or Claypool. Both of these wide receivers will complement their current roster. I would then go for Cephus in the late rounds. I am betting on the Golden Tate no longer on the Giants roster next year, and it would be nice to secure WR position this year.
ideally they are looking at an outside guy who can stretch field  
Eric on Li : 4/9/2020 10:44 am : link
and play physical - Tee Higgins, Chase Claypool, Michael Pittman, being some of the names that immediately come to mind for me. They've got a bunch of players who can threaten the middle of the field so it would be nice to add some physicality and deep speed to complement (and compete) with Slayton.
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Peppers : 4/9/2020 10:46 am : link
Unbelievably deep this year. Teams are talking about getting guys who can make an immediate contribution deep into round 4.

NYG doesn't have a pressing need here but the value could be too good to pass at 36. Also, this is potentially Tate's last season with the Giants and Shepard has a history with concussions.. It would be smart to add more talent to the pipeline.

Getting a receiver with some size and a larger catch radius would benefit Jones and round out this group. Higgins, Pittman, Mims, Claypool fit that profile.
I just think Tee Higgins  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 10:54 am : link
has an inflated reputation and that can happen sometimes when a guy plays at a program that gives him every possible advantage. Higgins wants to be AJ Green or Randy Moss, a very tall, thin, elegant WR who plays WR the way Scottie Pippen played basketball. Unfortunately, he's not close to AJ Green or Randy Moss athletically and he doesn't have much power, grit, explosive running ability to his game. He's going to end up being Sidney Rice.
Thoughts on  
UGADawgs7 : 4/9/2020 10:55 am : link
Gandy Golden?
Love to see Saquon running more routes  
CT Charlie : 4/9/2020 10:56 am : link
downfield. He has speed, discipline, good hands, and he cuts well. The defense wouldn't know quite what to do about him. (And I'd like to see us do more creative things with Engram, assuming he's available for a game or two.)
I think we're going to see  
mittenedman : 4/9/2020 10:57 am : link
the Giants take a WR much higher than anticipated.
RE: I think we're going to see  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 14863585 mittenedman said:
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the Giants take a WR much higher than anticipated.


I'm just a fan so this is just pure speculation and hope but I'd rather see a draft that looks like this:

1 LB Simmons
2 OT Wilson
3 C Biadasz
4 Edge Willekes
5 then WR like say, Cephus

than...

1 LB Simmons
2 WIDE RECEIVER
...and then have to address C/OT after that
I would like to see the Giants use their 6th round pick  
Jay on the Island : 4/9/2020 11:13 am : link
on Isaiah Coulter from RI.
RE: I would like to see the Giants use their 6th round pick  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 11:28 am : link
In comment 14863596 Jay on the Island said:
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on Isaiah Coulter from RI.


Can you talk about this guy a bit? At a glance, he seems to have some Michael Gallup in him (thin, wiry build, good speed/hands) but that's only based on minimal knowledge on my part.
There is a very good chance  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/9/2020 11:32 am : link
that the BPA at 36 is a WR.

It's plausible that there are 2 or 3 available that the Giants have a first round grade on.
RE: RE: I think we're going to see  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/9/2020 11:34 am : link
In comment 14863595 NYG22 said:
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In comment 14863585 mittenedman said:


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the Giants take a WR much higher than anticipated.



I'm just a fan so this is just pure speculation and hope but I'd rather see a draft that looks like this:

1 LB Simmons
2 OT Wilson
3 C Biadasz
4 Edge Willekes
5 then WR like say, Cephus

than...

1 LB Simmons
2 WIDE RECEIVER
...and then have to address C/OT after that


I'd rather see them draft the best player than leave talent on the board to fill a need.

Flowers says hi.
Thinking Mims  
LBH15 : 4/9/2020 11:43 am : link
would be a nice get.

Nice size and different than our other guys.
RE: Would love if they took a flier on  
Jay in Toronto : 4/9/2020 11:44 am : link
In comment 14863462 nyballa0891 said:
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Quintez Cephus


LOL I've been priming that pump for weeks.

Brugler's summary:

"SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Wisconsin, Cephus was the go-to receiver in head coach Paul Chryst’s pro-style scheme, lining up both inside and outside. A basketball-first athlete the first 18 years of his life, he took a winding road to this point in his career, including a 22-month absence from the field at Wisconsin (broken leg and off-field issues, including his expulsion after the sexual assault charges), returning in 2019 to lead the team in receiving. Cephus is a good-sized athlete with the catch radius and toughness that translates well to the pro game. Although he doesn’t labor in/out of his breaks, his patterns lack nuance and he must adopt more attention to detail. Overall, Cephus needs to better coordinate the athleticism within his routes, but his hardwood background is apparent with his body control and ball skills, displaying NFL impact potential if he adds polish."

No character issues -- acquitted in a trial and his coaches and teammates would follow him anywhere.

I think his 'shortcomings' are fixable and may be a factor of his late arrival to the position.

He is also an excellent downfield blocker (you have to be to play WR at UW).

Brugler has him at 5-6th round and I would love us to nab him.
Draft to the Strength of the Draft...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/9/2020 11:46 am : link
And think long-term, instead of "fill the 2020 roster holes".

That could well mean that we get the top-rated defender at 4 (Young/Simmons/Okudah) and then select a WR at 36.

I know some will contend that since the WR class is so deep the Giants can wait until day three. But when you have so much first round talent at a single position (like WR) it means that a potential #1 WR could slip to 36.

If Mims or Jefferson somehow slide to 36, I hope the Giants go that route instead of the "fill the OL holes" option.

BPA at 4 and 36. Then fill the holes in rounds 3-7.
How is it  
tyrik13 : 4/9/2020 11:58 am : link
You don’t mention Antonio Golden-Gandy? Kid has the goods to be a very very good WR in the league. Huge catch radius, good hands and speed, not to mention he’s 6’4. Definitely my dark horse to be the pick in the 4th rd
RE: How is it  
Mike in NY : 4/9/2020 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14863685 tyrik13 said:
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You don’t mention Antonio Golden-Gandy? Kid has the goods to be a very very good WR in the league. Huge catch radius, good hands and speed, not to mention he’s 6’4. Definitely my dark horse to be the pick in the 4th rd


So did Ramses Barden. I question his ability to separate from NFL DB's and route running.
I expect they will draft one on day 3  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/9/2020 12:06 pm : link
Hoping for a size speed guy.

Think Tate is safe for this year.
This draft is suppose eto be very deep in WR and DT, perhaps there  
Jack Stroud : 4/9/2020 12:06 pm : link
are some gems later in the draft or even as an UDFA. I am hoping the Giants come away from this draft with at least 4 starters
RE: This draft is suppose eto be very deep in WR and DT, perhaps there  
Jay in Toronto : 4/9/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14863697 Jack Stroud said:
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are some gems later in the draft or even as an UDFA. I am hoping the Giants come away from this draft with at least 4 starters


That's a tall order.

I would be delirious with 3 among: OT, OC, FS, ER, WR
RE: RE: I don't know jack about college compared to most here but  
Dr. D : 4/9/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14863542 NYG22 said:
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In comment 14863534 Dr. D said:


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if WR is so deep in this draft and we have such huge holes at positions that are not deep, why would we take a WR early (first 3 rounds)?



The premise in the OP is to NOT use an early draft asset on a WR but rather 2 late ones e.g. Cephus in RD5 and Proche with one of the 7s.


I understand that (maybe I should've made that clear). My Q was directed at posts by JonC, et al, who say we might take WR at 36.
RE: I expect WR to be in play at #36  
81_Great_Dane : 4/9/2020 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14863506 JonC said:
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Agree, but the problem is the defense needs an impact player and the O-line needs reinforcements at several spots. In today's NFL, you almost have to get your tackles in the first round and your guards and centers in the second, because the bust rate for linemen is so high. In this draft, it will be very difficult for the Giants to pass on a lineman if they go defense in the first.

On the other hand, if they go OT in the first, it's going to be very difficult for them to go offense in the second.

So I'm thinking they're going to push drafting a receiver past the second round if their board permits it. But what do I know?
RE: RE: How is it  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14863692 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14863685 tyrik13 said:


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You don’t mention Antonio Golden-Gandy? Kid has the goods to be a very very good WR in the league. Huge catch radius, good hands and speed, not to mention he’s 6’4. Definitely my dark horse to be the pick in the 4th rd



So did Ramses Barden. I question his ability to separate from NFL DB's and route running.


I agree. I thought he was really slow in and out of his breaks during senior bowl practices.
NYG22  
Dr. D : 4/9/2020 1:54 pm : link
I'm with you.

Seems we have WAY too many gigantic holes at pos. with less depth in the draft.

I respect JonC and his opinions, but it makes no sense to me taking a WR at 36 in a deep draft when, we could potentially still be looking for a starting OT and C or impact D if we went OT in 1st.

I'm a big believer in BPA, but there are limits. Like when you need a starting C and their are a few good ones that are going to be gone by the 3rd rd; while you can still get a good WR in 3rd and beyond.
RE: NYG22  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14863796 Dr. D said:
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I'm with you.

Seems we have WAY too many gigantic holes at pos. with less depth in the draft.

I respect JonC and his opinions, but it makes no sense to me taking a WR at 36 in a deep draft when, we could potentially still be looking for a starting OT and C or impact D if we went OT in 1st.

I'm a big believer in BPA, but there are limits. Like when you need a starting C and their are a few good ones that are going to be gone by the 3rd rd; while you can still get a good WR in 3rd and beyond.


Yeah, I'd be really worried to exit this draft without a starting OC and OT who we couldn't have as a swing OT at a minimum in 2020 and feel good about starting potential down the road.
A WR could be far and away BPA at #36  
Torrag : 4/9/2020 2:24 pm : link
That could be a difficult position to pass on early.
RE: A WR could be far and away BPA at #36  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14863840 Torrag said:
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That could be a difficult position to pass on early.


Or the run on WRs would push down talent at other positions.

NYG22 : comment on Coulter  
Rick in Dallas : 4/9/2020 2:53 pm : link
Good speed runs a 4.45 forty . He has a lean body and his route running needs to be refined. Was productive at RI improving every year. See if you can get his game tape versus Virginia Tech. He beat down the Hokies with 9 catches for over 150 yards.
A really good prospect on day 3.
RE: NYG22 : comment on Coulter  
NYG22 : 4/9/2020 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14863866 Rick in Dallas said:
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Good speed runs a 4.45 forty . He has a lean body and his route running needs to be refined. Was productive at RI improving every year. See if you can get his game tape versus Virginia Tech. He beat down the Hokies with 9 catches for over 150 yards.
A really good prospect on day 3.


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