I'm a little surprised BBIers have not brought his name up more often, especially as it pertains to his continued development.
IMO, our entire re-build does not begin until this very fine young QB takes the next step up in becoming a dependable, winning NFL QB.
What exactly does that mean?
(1) He must absolutely cut down on his fumbling; if it should continue in Year Two, he'll be benched;
(2) He needs to speed up his progressions, and needs to get the ball out faster;
(3) Improve upon his pocket presence, and know where to step while keeping his eyes downfield.
I believe (1) and (2) are related, and I believe Daniel Jones will makes the necessary adjustments. If he doesn't (especially #1), then we've got much bigger issues than, say, staying at #4 and selecting an offensive tackle vs Isaiah Simmons, or vice versa.
I believe #3 is the one area that cannot really be taught. Either you have the dual vision to look downfield while sensing what's going on around you, or you don't. That was one of the major differences between Kerry Collins and a younger Eli Manning. Kerry Collins reacted to pressure by looking down at his feet; Eli had the ability to slip and slide while keeping his eyes downfield.
Of course, a fantastic offensive line mitigates #3, but there will be critical moments in a game when the QB must buy time, move around and then deliver a strike.
The great news is that Daniel Jones showed so many good things in his rookie season despite a talent-challenged offensive line. But his road to stardom is not fully paved, and this young man still has his work cut out for him.
Claims to really like playbook
The issue is 2 fold ... not to mention better blocking less hits and swats at the ball...etc
He should be very good, but you are correct, if he does not fix turnovers, our defense will need to REALLY improve.
Claims to really like playbook
Hopefully most of that muscle gain is in his grip strength.
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We just need...........better lineman!
Claims to really like playbook
Are they not allowed to receive playbooks until OTAs?
To that, I think it happens. He has the skills and ability. He needs to refine timing and ball security.
Let's not forget the kid absolutely was gun slinging MOST games last year.
Amen , the repeated mentioning of his “fumbling” problems with out proper context is just more lazy reporting by the media.
Most quarterbacks on many of this plays give up the ball. Now if you want to say he got hit because of lack of awareness, that a harder to prove or disapprove
Hit in a t of throwing, is that lack of awareness or just bad protection
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look at the game film, many of the Jones fumbles were in the act of throwing. Defenders hitting his arm as it was moving with the ball. He was blind sided on many of them. Improved OL play will help dramatically.
Amen , the repeated mentioning of his “fumbling” problems with out proper context is just more lazy reporting by the media.
Most quarterbacks on many of this plays give up the ball. Now if you want to say he got hit because of lack of awareness, that a harder to prove or disapprove
Hit in a t of throwing, is that lack of awareness or just bad protection
Barkley’s inability to pass block whatsoever was also huge reason as well. In games Barkley didn’t play, there were less fumbles, albeit a small sample size. Kudos to Barkley for coming back early, but he was a net negative for a large stretch of the year.
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look at the game film, many of the Jones fumbles were in the act of throwing. Defenders hitting his arm as it was moving with the ball. He was blind sided on many of them. Improved OL play will help dramatically.
Amen , the repeated mentioning of his “fumbling” problems with out proper context is just more lazy reporting by the media.
Most quarterbacks on many of this plays give up the ball. Now if you want to say he got hit because of lack of awareness, that a harder to prove or disapprove
Hit in a t of throwing, is that lack of awareness or just bad protection
At times, I believe Daniel Jones held onto the ball too long which exacerbated his fumbling problem.
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look at the game film, many of the Jones fumbles were in the act of throwing. Defenders hitting his arm as it was moving with the ball. He was blind sided on many of them. Improved OL play will help dramatically.
Amen , the repeated mentioning of his “fumbling” problems with out proper context is just more lazy reporting by the media.
Most quarterbacks on many of this plays give up the ball. Now if you want to say he got hit because of lack of awareness, that a harder to prove or disapprove
Hit in a t of throwing, is that lack of awareness or just bad protection
At times, I believe Daniel Jones held onto the ball too long which exacerbated his fumbling problem.
I would have also instructed Jones to make a quick read and then run for it, due to our horrible blocking, not linger in the pocket.
Also a 50-50 TE is a security blanket, for any QB but especially a young one.
Yeah this was particularly glaring to me in the Arizona game. Kingsbury was asking his rookie qb to do very little, running a ton, letting him get a lot of easy quick passes off PA and roll-out action. Meanwhile Shurmur was just throwing Jones to the wolves.
Agree. He certainly needs to work on things, but he was under so much duress last year that definitely impacted the numbers. Hopefully a stud OT at #4 helps with both running and pass protection.
In addition, learning another new offense will certainly have its challenges, especially with no OTAs.
I was debating whether or not to mention that there are probably certain throws (like a deep out) that are difficult for DJ to make. If you need a QB to drill the ball into a deep window, DJ is not the first QB that comes to mind. I think he has all the makings to be a fine QB, but he is not an “arm talent.”
Excited to see, although this virus will hamper a lot of the early on learning. But they're smart kids and McCoy being there also helps.
at least better than average
7/10 grade
Think he he showed plenty to build upon, real leadership potential, intangibles, handling NY ETC
Still has a decent amount of refinement needed
But if u told me last april if thats what we were signing up for, I would take it again
The throws he can make are what gives him a leg up. Sure he needs to get more zip sometimes but if he's gaining muscle there's reason to believe his arm strength can/will improve.
But his accuracy is better than I thought it would be at all 3 levels. Some of his TD throws were gorgeous. And he was throwing to a bottom 5 WR group with bottom 5 protection and a hurt Barkley for basically the entire season. What did you expect?
Agreed. If Jones becomes shell shocked he has no chance to be effective. With decent-to-good protection he at least has a fighting chance.
(1) He must absolutely cut down on his fumbling; if it should continue in Year Two, he'll be benched;
(2) He needs to speed up his progressions, and needs to get the ball out faster;
(3) Improve upon his pocket presence, and know where to step while keeping his eyes downfield.
All three of these things will be solved by 2 things.
First and foremost is watching game film and getting more practice in. NFL ball is played at a much faster speed.. As anyone who has done sales, played sports, anything active.. Everything slows down the more experience you get. NFL ball is much faster and it can be alot. to handle at first, but, as you gain more reps the game will "slow down" and you'll adjust.
Second is strong offensive line play. As some other people mentioned, the majority of his fumbles were blind side hits while in throwing motion. A quarter of a second more from the O line and a quarter of a second more from him speeidng up play with experience and those fumbles all turn into 10-15 yard gains.
Some people seem to forget how bad our O line is/was and also HOW MUCH of a difference college ball is to NFL ball. It takes time to adjust.
Not saying he doesn't have other things thatt should be worked on... but we will see how he adjsuts this year. (Hopefully theres a season haha)
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on his passing ability? I know I'm not. He showed some flashes but overall he still ranked near the bottom of the league in several QB stats. Not saying he can't or won't improve, but there does need to be improvement going forward or he simply won't be a franchise QB.
The throws he can make are what gives him a leg up. Sure he needs to get more zip sometimes but if he's gaining muscle there's reason to believe his arm strength can/will improve.
But his accuracy is better than I thought it would be at all 3 levels. Some of his TD throws were gorgeous. And he was throwing to a bottom 5 WR group with bottom 5 protection and a hurt Barkley for basically the entire season. What did you expect?
Bottom 5 receivers is harsh. It was lack of health. But a receiving corps of Sterling, Golden, Engram, Darius Slayton and Barkley is actually pretty decent.
Add in there’s no Plax on this team to throw it up to, it’s a ton of timing and right windows (I believe he led the league in throws to the smallest window/separation).
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on his passing ability? I know I'm not. He showed some flashes but overall he still ranked near the bottom of the league in several QB stats. Not saying he can't or won't improve, but there does need to be improvement going forward or he simply won't be a franchise QB.
The throws he can make are what gives him a leg up. Sure he needs to get more zip sometimes but if he's gaining muscle there's reason to believe his arm strength can/will improve.
But his accuracy is better than I thought it would be at all 3 levels. Some of his TD throws were gorgeous. And he was throwing to a bottom 5 WR group with bottom 5 protection and a hurt Barkley for basically the entire season. What did you expect?
what you may have expected for him vs. his actual output is irrelevant. The occasional "gorgeous TD" was nice but again, for those not paying attention, his passing metrics were below average as a rookie and they weren't all that great in college either. My original point remains - he simply needs to be a better passer or he may not be the long term answer at the position.
As a QB, Garrett has seen and played in more different systems than McAdoo and Shurmur will ever see.
I provided reasons why his rookie year was impressive. If you expected him to perform better under these circumstances then you either A. have unrealistic expectations B. want to be contrarian or C. both.
Daniel Jones needs to improve, just like every other rookie QB that ever stepped foot in the NFL. He's got all the tools, lets see what happens.
I provided reasons why his rookie year was impressive. If you expected him to perform better under these circumstances then you either A. have unrealistic expectations B. want to be contrarian or C. both.
Daniel Jones needs to improve, just like every other rookie QB that ever stepped foot in the NFL. He's got all the tools, lets see what happens.
wow, that's a lot of hot air. I couldn't care less whether you think his rookie year was "impressive" - it doesn't mean a damn thing. And you seem fixated on what I or others may have have expected for him as a rookie but that's also irrelevant.
The stats we have on him at this time are not great. Yes that's true for many rookie QBs picked high in the draft but the difference is that many of them (probably the vast majority of them) showed above average to elite passing ability in college. Jones did not. The sentiment here on BBI for many seems to be that all Jones has to do is clean up the turnovers and we have our franchise QB. IMO, there's a lot more to it than that.
And his "stats" in college weren't great either and there was a very big reason for that. I'll let you do a little critical thinking on why that was.
/sarcasm off
That to me means he can make most of or all of the throws. Getting stronger should help with arm strength. Having a healthy WR corps and an improved line/run game should also help. He faced an uphill battle both at Duke and year 1 in the NFL - thinking abut what he can do in an improved offense should have people excited.
I am sold. Good QB’s elevate the talent around them and that is exactly what Jones did last season. What he did with a weak offensive line, mediocre coaching staff, and numerous injuries to his top weapons is impressive.
I see what you did there.
Now take your hand out from under the blanket!
When the pocket got ugly very fast for Daniel Jones.
My question: Did anyone see him bail out super-fast and buy himself more time on the outside?
I'm sure he did once in awhile. But I think more often than not Daniel Jones just stood in there and took a beating.
It is 100% unfair to compare our guy to a small handful of elite NFL QBs. Nevertheless, there are a couple of Houdini QBs who can regularly defeat collapsing pockets.
A few mobile tackles and a sturdy Center and this offense will be very good in another year.
He has a lot of nice things to say, but here are the negatives:
"...there were constant red flags in his tape that are hard to ignore. He didn’t see things well and his decisions were too inconsistent. There just seemed to be a lack of a true feel for the pocket..."
"Jones has enough arm strength, touch, and athletic ability. But there isn’t a quick mind here, he doesn’t see everything a top tier QB does whether it is coverage or pass rush based."
I guess this is what I was kinda saying in #2 and #3.