Tua is off of 3 teams draft board according to McGinn

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I believe it.
Teams could be just giving smoke...hoping other teams bite.

is isn't it lying season?

In comment 14871004 Ira said:

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be careful of smoke a week before the draft.

but also it totally doesn't hurt the trade value. The only thing that would hurt our trade value is DET wanting to trade the pick. If Det trades and there are two qb's worth taking then why would the other team need to trade up.

In theory if Tua is slipping and DET does keep the pick to go Okudah. And Herbert was the only other top 5 QB. Then we could play the dolphins and chargers against each other.

If they both think Tua is a great secondary option they probably wont trade with us anyway.

if we only want to trade down 1 or 2 sports...only having 1 QB worth taking probably helps the giants value. THat woudl mean the chargers would HAVE to jump in front of the dolphins

God the Giants don't need a QB. The QB's in this class are garbage.

But he doesn’t have the physical question marks that a Tua does.

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took a big hit with the Tua news and with the Dennis Pitta comments from having the same injury.

In comment 14871020 GeneInCal said:

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God the Giants don't need a QB. The QB's in this class are garbage.

I still think that Jake Fromm is going to surprise everyone and be the class of this QB draft.

Arm needs to add some strength which is doable. The tools and brains are there to be successful

could easily be smoke, but his injury history lends credence to the claim. As Ira noted, that isn't good news for the Giants if they want to trade down, although someone still might want to trade up for Simmons, Okudah, Brown, or an OT. My view is still that Miami will trade with Detroit and take Herbert.

last year when lots of people thought this QB class had the chance to be "the best in history"...I guess it still could be, ya never know. But man how times have changed.

Still, I don’t necessarily believe it with all the smoke thrown

wound up in the media's idea of who goes where. Herbert could easily be seen as the next big thing and with TUA possibly dropping then getting Herbert becomes more important to QB thin teams.

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Tagovailoa came off the bench to lead a comeback win over Georgia in the national championship game as a true freshman and finished his college career with remarkable numbers: 7,442 yards and 87 touchdowns with just 11 interceptions over three years while playing for three different offensive coordinators. "He's got the moxie," an NFC quarterbacks coach said. "He's got a short release for a left-hander. He's got quick hands. He's got great feet. He's athletic. He's just got something to him personality-wise, too." Compared to Joe Burrow, Tagovailoa is "a little more twitched-up," an AFC scout said. "He's got some traits about him that seem like they're high-level -- instincts, accuracy, quick release and even some of his mobility. Durability is just the question there. When he scrambles and gets out, whoever has him is probably going to be holding their breath."

He played for 3 different OCs.
I think he can handle the NFL fine.
You can't believe anything published at this point.
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Pay for play is alive and well. Obviously there is a limit because he needs to maintain his reputation, but there are probably more than 3-4 "scouts" he speaks with so for those that pay he gives the most postitive reports and those that don't he gives mainly negative reports.

I think this is smoke from a team who either (1) does not like Tua and wants the deniability if they go in a different direction because fans will be gung ho for Tua or (2) wants Tua to fall.

Some teams just have a higher risk tolerance than others. Remember it only takes one team that is willing to take the risk..

by responding honestly to a questionnaire prior to the draft, even if it's anonymous?

"off the board" mean? Are we talking about round 1 or the whole draft?

If he isn't drafted in the top 3 due to medicals, and Herbert is still in play. Teams will need to jump Miami to get him

is that he has long-term relationships with a number of scouts and directors. That works both ways, I imagine,. They know he protects their anonymity and he knows they aren't feeding him smokescreen bullshit (cause I imagine he's dropped those).

Which is why:

His mocks tend to be good

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his write ups (currently in the Athletic) quote a variety of opinions. As I referenced in my The Athletic thread -- the ones on the OL prospects vary quite a bit, but there seems to be a consensus that its not an obvious blue-chip crop.

whom I'd bet scored pretty low on a Wonderlic.

Apparently "football smarts" can be an independent trait.

In comment 14871055 Mr. Bungle said:

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by responding honestly to a questionnaire prior to the draft, even if it's anonymous?

It is like in Baseball as written in Moneyball, teams will use people like McGinn to find out where other teams are looking, but the trade off is you have to give honest answers enough of the time.

off their board as well?

It only takes 1 team that need a QB to love him, not the masses.

....neglected to mention that 3 teams Has no QBs on their board

be good news for the Giants, depending on how many QB hungry teams there are are looking to move up to get one of the top tier signal callers

In comment 14871020 GeneInCal said:

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God the Giants don't need a QB. The QB's in this class are garbage.

Interesting that yu say that. Because ALOT of people here were pissed about Jones because they said that this year's class would be so much better.

After first contract.

In comment 14871048 Mike in NY said:

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Pay for play is alive and well. Obviously there is a limit because he needs to maintain his reputation, but there are probably more than 3-4 "scouts" he speaks with so for those that pay he gives the most postitive reports and those that don't he gives mainly negative reports. I think this is smoke from a team who either (1) does not like Tua and wants the deniability if they go in a different direction because fans will be gung ho for Tua or (2) wants Tua to fall.

This is the allegation. Don't know if I believe it either. Anyways it just takes one team and there is a TON to love about Tua.

Don't believe anything you hear or read.

Not to be confused with the other NFL S&M week. I think this year it falls out somewhere between #SalutetoService and #MyCleatsMyCause.

Gullible individuals will fall prey to this bs 😂😂😂. It’s the week before the draft people aka lying season! You can’t be this got damn naive. Whoever put out this report got paid by some team or teams to spread lies to try and get Tua to drop closer to their spot smdh.

Hopefully, there will be a team or teams that want to move up to pick a position other then quarterback.

In comment 14871114 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 14871020 GeneInCal said: Quote: God the Giants don't need a QB. The QB's in this class are garbage. Interesting that yu say that. Because ALOT of people here were pissed about Jones because they said that this year's class would be so much better.

A lot of QB’s took a step back or the warts were exposed like Fromm (a guy I was on board with), Eason, and Hebert (who probably is QB2 last year and might be QB3 this year) or got injured like Tua who was QB1 back in August. 2019’s class certainly looks better today.

In comment 14871021 jeff57 said:

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But he doesn’t have the physical question marks that a Tua does.

He's also a much better athlete. Tua won't survive in the NFL playing like Jackson (an dhe can't anyway) so if he can't process defensive schemes he's going to have a short and difficult NFL career.

I wish the kid luck, just glad it isn't us that has to make this decision.

everything going as planned

In comment 14871149 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14871021 jeff57 said: Quote: But he doesn’t have the physical question marks that a Tua does. He's also a much better athlete. Tua won't survive in the NFL playing like Jackson (an dhe can't anyway) so if he can't process defensive schemes he's going to have a short and difficult NFL career. I wish the kid luck, just glad it isn't us that has to make this decision.

But Tua is a much better pure passer than Jackson. Tua doesn't need to play like Jackson

And that is a known fact!

lol

In comment 14871134 tyrik13 said:

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Gullible individuals will fall prey to this bs 😂😂😂. It’s the week before the draft people aka lying season! You can’t be this got damn naive. Whoever put out this report got paid by some team or teams to spread lies to try and get Tua to drop closer to their spot smdh.

It doesn't matter what anyone on BBI thinks. And GMs aren't relying on what other GM's say so this whole "lying season" cliche is really just for fans.

In comment 14871159 jlukes said:

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In comment 14871149 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 14871021 jeff57 said: Quote: But he doesn’t have the physical question marks that a Tua does. He's also a much better athlete. Tua won't survive in the NFL playing like Jackson (an dhe can't anyway) so if he can't process defensive schemes he's going to have a short and difficult NFL career. I wish the kid luck, just glad it isn't us that has to make this decision. But Tua is a much better pure passer than Jackson. Tua doesn't need to play like Jackson

Yes, but I was referring to the low wonderlic. If those wonderlic scores hold any value about a QB's ability to process what's in front of him, it matters more for a guy like Tua and less for a guy like Jackson.

In comment 14871021 jeff57 said:

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But he doesn’t have the physical question marks that a Tua does.

Lamar Jackson can overcome that by being an unreal athlete though. I see a pretty bright career for him, but one that is shorter than other good QBs. I doubt you see him pick apart people in the pocket once his AA starts to fail him.

but is every GM writing down what Gettleman says!! haha

In comment 14871020 GeneInCal said:

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God the Giants don't need a QB. The QB's in this class are garbage.

LOL - Remember when this time last year people were calling this the greatest QB class ever, and saying we should wait and not waste a pick. This is why you can't count the chickens like that

Way too much upside from this kid someone will take a chance and they will take it early. i have heard way too many college coaches say they would grab immediately give the opportunity. I predict hes taken between 3-5 i would place a heavy wager on it.

like people remember him more for coming into the national championship game for a team that didn't prep for him and lighting it up. When he played comp that was similar to Bama after that, the results weren't great.

discussed on this board but Mike Garafolo was on the Fan on Wednesday discussing the draft; his take was slightly different but not entirely. He said while no team has failed him due to medicals, he has been red flagged by many. Red flagged would mean late 1st, early 2nd by those teams. He said the Dennis Pitta fear is very real just because Pitta passed every physical given to him after his initial hip injury, but continuously re-injured it because blood flow was obviously not as strong post surgery, so in the NFL world there is real concern because they have seen that a passed physical does not mean there is not still an underlying problem.

BB pick him up.

In comment 14871020 GeneInCal said:

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God the Giants don't need a QB. The QB's in this class are garbage.

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