Last year, just weeks before the Draft, the Giants announced the hiring of Mark Koncz as the Director of Player Personnnel. Koncz had 24 years of prior experience, all with the Carolina Panthers. Clearly a seasoned NFL Exectutive.
In the past 10 days, Gettleman holds two press conferences. He has always done these by himself, but this year he brings Vice President of Football Operations/Assistant General Manager Kevin Abrams to the first call.
Today, Gettleman brings Director of College Scouting Chris Pettit to join him for the second call.
In February, Gettleman will turn 70. Gettleman also dealt with cancer recently.
What am I thinking?
Is it possible that Gettleman and Giants management already have an understanding that Gettleman is leaving. He won't be fired, but rather it will be mutual and a retirement. It could happen in the weeks following the draft or at season end- but I believe Gettleman and Giants ownership have some sort of his exit plans already in place.
And I think the candidates to replace Gettleman are already on the staff. There will be some internal movement, but I think we are getting an early preview of the future management of the Giants.
I’m hoping that they at least bring in a few real candidates and hopefully one will blow ownership away during the interview the way that Judge did.
My thought has always been that we was brought in because he was okay “being the bad guy” that moved on from Eli Manning. Mara/Tisch didn’t want to put someone like Abrams in the position to have to get rid of a legend while he was still getting his feet wet.
I do think the criticism he took after the season from the media for not giving anyone else (I think it was specifically Shurmur that was mentioned) credit for scouting Daniel Jones, etc caught him off guard. So it wouldn't surprise me if he took that to heart and included his staff in order to give them time in the spotlight.
I'm not sure what your point is here
You think he is returing because of the pandemic?
I do agree DG is on the way out. Abrams and Petit are probably more involved...but no way do I trust either to be the sole decision maker moving forward. This would be such a Mara move though...going internal is the safe...but wrong choice.
No one connected with the Giants organization is going to come out and say anything but great things about him. He drafted his replacement and didn’t jump in when the coach gave him the hook rather quickly in the season. Replacing Manning was clearly a priority.
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With a bridge too far. DG was all in on Manning.
No one connected with the Giants organization is going to come out and say anything but great things about him. He drafted his replacement and didn’t jump in when the coach gave him the hook rather quickly in the season. Replacing Manning was clearly a priority.
No it wasn’t, to DG and many others. They hoped to get several more years out of the guy and it was a mistake.
And then they realized it was so they reacted differently the following year.
Yes he should. He’s still the man right now. Whether mistakes were made or not in the past. It appears with the comments we heard in the off-season, the reasonable spending in free agency and the appearances of others with DG at media days that the Giants have a short leash on the man. He can propose what to do, but it looks like the consensus makes the final call.
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I'm not sure what your point is here
You think he is returing because of the pandemic?
I have no way of knowing what the actual facts are, but I think I understand what George is saying. If you are a senior citizen in a high risk category, retiring sooner rather than continuing to have more contact with people at work definitely can cross your mind. While I'm working remotely from the relatively nice spot where I am, it's crossed my mind. (Not that I'm in a high risk category that I know of, but I'm technically a senior citizen and could retire if I'd like). Again - not saying this is the case, but it might influence his thinking.
I was going to say, I see a lot of George Young in 1997 going on here. Young was struggling with the salary cap and free agency and the Giants brought in Ernie as his assistant GM. It was clear that Ernie was being groomed to take over for Young. Even Ernie when he took over in 1998, he started to build up the front office around him with several GM types (Chris Mara, Gettleman, Abrams, and Reese). It looks like Gettlmen is doing the same, but Abrams should be the next GM.
On the contrary, I think he has done very well with the exception of two or three bad decisions. I think he will retire after this year and we will one day look back at DG as the guy who got our franchise QB and rebuilt the foundation of the team.
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I mean, he’s been pretty bad so far, why another season?
On the contrary, I think he has done very well with the exception of two or three bad decisions. I think he will retire after this year and we will one day look back at DG as the guy who got our franchise QB and rebuilt the foundation of the team.
Done very well? The team has been absolutely dreadful. If Jones winds up being really good it will certainly help the way people look at Gettlemans tenure with the Giants, but anyone who right now believes he's done very well is delusional.
The roster, outside of Daniel Jones, is horrendous. The offensive line stinks, the defense has gigantic holes nearly everywhere besides DT, the wide receivers are meh, TE is a question mark because of health.
Jones can hide a lot of problems if he's the goods, but the rest of the roster is one of the worst in the entire league.
To this point he's done a poor job, that can change if things break right this year but the roster sucks, I dont know any other way to put it.
Reese left the roster in bad shape. Gettleman hasn't done much to improve it.
The product the Giants have put on the field has been hot garbage. They actually have been worse than their record shows the last couple years.
I dont hate what Gettleman has done this off-season, but the Giants need to start putting a watchable product on the field. Even in the 2016 year where they went to the playoffs, it was mostly a fluke. Years before it and years after it have all been brutal to watch.
Jones gives me hope for the future, but he's about the only one.
Not all moves have worked out but he cleaned out all the dead wood.
Mara really made a bold move with Judge. Normally you would thought he would go for the safe hire with a HC who had success. This tells me he really believes in Judge and the ideal scenario is Abrams/Judge whenever DG hangs it up. Maybe judge brings in a personnel guy down the road.
Now if Judge falls on his sword...then commence the clean sweep across the board.
It's a distinct possibility that we win 6 games or less this season. If that were to be the case, an in-house replacement for Gettleman would make absolutely no sense. I don't know how it could be warranted when you take over a 3 win team and in 3 years, you can't achieve a .500 record.
It wasn't a tough hand. DG just missed what had to be done and missed it by a mile resulting in both poor and/or misaligned decisions to fix the roster that even effect his choices next week in this draft.
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With a bridge too far. DG was all in on Manning.
No one connected with the Giants organization is going to come out and say anything but great things about him. He drafted his replacement and didn’t jump in when the coach gave him the hook rather quickly in the season. Replacing Manning was clearly a priority.
No it wasn’t, to DG and many others. They hoped to get several more years out of the guy and it was a mistake.
And then they realized it was so they reacted differently the following year.
I get that you’re taking some of the things he said when he was hired at face value, but just because he said it didn’t mean it was true. When Gettleman took over Manning was 37 with 2 very expensive years on his contract. The previous coach also risked his job to try and replace the guy.
Finding a replacement for Manning by the time his contract expired was clearly at the top of his list. Manning playing into his 40’s like Brady wasn’t in the organization’s plans.
I don't really have to, do I?
Further, DG saw that he made a mistake and jumped on DJ very early in 2019 draft, and gave him the reins when Eli continued to look bad early in 2019 season.
Further, DG saw that he made a mistake and jumped on DJ very early in 2019 draft, and gave him the reins when Eli continued to look bad early in 2019 season.
Why, because you say so?
Mara has botched a lot. Not firing Reese earlier, and not being able to step away from Eli sooner are his 2 biggest blunders - he’s directly responsible for both IMO.
I’d say there’s plenty to suggest that the condition to be the Giants GM in 2018 was to “make it work” with Eli due to the extension he had been given previously and nostalgia.
Rumors (and I believe them) are the McAdoo wanted to draft Elis replacement. Then he did replace him in season and Mara botched that whole thing too.
Too much out there suggests Eli was the 2018 QB no matter what.
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and made his choice to keep him in the saddle for 2018. This notion that it was forced upon him is folly.
Further, DG saw that he made a mistake and jumped on DJ very early in 2019 draft, and gave him the reins when Eli continued to look bad early in 2019 season.
Why, because you say so?
Mara has botched a lot. Not firing Reese earlier, and not being able to step away from Eli sooner are his 2 biggest blunders - he’s directly responsible for both IMO.
I’d say there’s plenty to suggest that the condition to be the Giants GM in 2018 was to “make it work” with Eli due to the extension he had been given previously and nostalgia.
Rumors (and I believe them) are the McAdoo wanted to draft Elis replacement. Then he did replace him in season and Mara botched that whole thing too.
Too much out there suggests Eli was the 2018 QB no matter what.
Why because you say so? Lord. I posted the above based on what DG said and did...exactly. You posted a made up conversation with an ultimatum.
"Make it work"?? You got to be kidding.
Because DG misread the state of Eli and the rest of the roster. He said so.
And Mara was buying whatever Gettleman was selling.
Of course he was indirectly behind it. He wanted Eli to be the QB as long as Eli could be the QB. And he looked to his new GM to tell him otherwise...and DG did his assessment of ELi and the roster and said it was good enough to win with his changes/additions. But he was wrong...it needed a deeper restructuring and he admitted so publicly.
Why was Eli here in 2019? Because of some cap management blunder by the GM or to let Eli ride out his contract which always seemed like it was what Mara wanted.
I’m of the opinion that anyone we interviewed likely said they want a new QB, including the guy we hired. If you don’t that’s fine neither one of us can prove it.
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But I believe Mara was directly or indirectly behind the “one more run with Eli” strategy
Of course he was indirectly behind it. He wanted Eli to be the QB as long as Eli could be the QB. And he looked to his new GM to tell him otherwise...and DG did his assessment of ELi and the roster and said it was good enough to win with his changes/additions. But he was wrong...it needed a deeper restructuring and he admitted so publicly.
No disagreement from me on anything here
Why was Eli here in 2019? Because of some cap management blunder by the GM or to let Eli ride out his contract which always seemed like it was what Mara wanted.
I’m of the opinion that anyone we interviewed likely said they want a new QB, including the guy we hired. If you don’t that’s fine neither one of us can prove it.
Again I will go to what DG said and did. In early 2018, he said he would review Eli and make his decision. And he came back with Eli still has more than enough (and used in his own words) "so let's keep going". DG decided to get Eli some peace of mind and bought him Solder, Saquon and a few other pieces. The 2018 team was a big loser.
At this point DG sees he has a dog of a team and starts shedding assets, and goes into heavy QB-search mode in the offseason because he knows he has very limited time with Eli. It ends with DJ being picked earlier than most anyone would have thought in May 2019 draft.
Why was Eli here in 2019...probably because of several reasons including DG is an old-school non-risk taker so he wanted a veteran on roster to start the season even if he picked a rookie QB. And since the roster bonus was before the draft, he paid it basically ensuring Eli would be a Giant again. Eli showed very little early on and DJ showed enough where DG/Coaches said let's get the rookie in there. Now, I would not have paid it and cut bait right there and used the eli-dollars elsewhere on this weak roster but that is not DG (and probably Mara sans a mythical ultimatum).
It was poor cap management to me, but I am sure DG would say he needed some insurance in case the draft didn't go the way he wanted or his rookie wasn't ready.
Anything else?
Further, DG saw that he made a mistake and jumped on DJ very early in 2019 draft, and gave him the reins when Eli continued to look bad early in 2019 season.
I think where you and I may have a miscommunication is that I’m not insinuating that Gettleman’s first priority was to replace Eli, I’m insinuating that he had direction (or plan) to get a replacement in a timeframe that fit Eli being able to simply “not renew” his contract.
Basically had had 3 drafts to find a QB, maybe stay 1 more year then hand the reigns to Abrams. This was Abrams (who they more than likely are hoping will be a very long term GM) doesn’t have to start his tenure by replacing Eli Manning and having that on his head in the eyes of fans.