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AlbanyDan : 4/21/2020 4:41 pm
Hey everybody! I’ve been a regular BBI visitor for over a decade now and it’s been an invaluable source of news and information. Thank you to Eric and everyone else on here for making this place such a great resource.

Over the last year I feel like I’ve learned more about football, the draft, team building, etc. than in the preceding 5-10 years combined. I wanted to share some of the stuff I’ve been reading and thinking about and see where you all come down on these issues/ideas. Just a heads up, I’m a big analytics guy. Statistics was my favorite subject in graduate school. Anyway, sorry if the post is a bit longer than usual. Here you go:

1) Defense is fragile – Offense is anti-fragile
http://pff.com/news/nfl-how-fragile-is-defense-a-look-ateffect-of-stars-versus-depth-on-game-outcomes
While this article is partially behind a paywall, you can still ascertain the core concept. Spoiler alert, the finding was that defense is “fragile” (more depth dependent).
Small changes (even on the lower rungs of the defense) affect the wellbeing of the entire defense because the offense has the power to identify and exploit the corresponding weaknesses.
Offense dictates where they want to attack. If someone gets injured or if the offense is lacking a playmaker at a given position, they can alter their game plan to mitigate that issue and emphasize their strengths. However, even if you have two star corners and a premier pass rusher, a bad slot corner or weak linebacker unit can result in the offense picking you apart by attacking those weaknesses. Therefore, you should focus on building depth on defense so that your weakest link is never too weak. On the other hand, you should focus on acquiring playmakers and matchup problems on offense.

2) Nickel defense should be seen as the universal NFL base defense
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-defensive-personnel-analysis
I know this one gets talked about semi-frequently, but I honestly hadn’t realized just how often teams are in sub packages. Teams are, on average, in Nickel or Dime defenses almost 75% of the time (at least as of 2018). This makes me question what the rationale is for having Williams, Lawrence, and Tomlinson. Is Tomlinson going to be traded? Do they plan on letting him walk after this year? I for one would love to see Williams traded, but I think the likelihood of that is slim. Full disclosure, Tomlinson is one of my favorites. He’s a great dude and a solid, dependable player. Plus he’ll likely cost a lot less to retain than Williams.

3) Yes, the draft is a crapshoot, but not for the reasons you may think
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/
This was such a fascinating read when I first stumbled upon it. My favorite takeaway was that as expertise increases in a marketplace, the role of chance also increases.
’Paradox of Skill,’ a counterintuitive theory that states that as the aggregate skill level of a market’s participants increases, the proportion of outcomes attributable to luck also increases. Put another way, the smaller the variation in skill between competitors, the more opportunity for randomness to be a differentiating factor. By this reading, NFL general managers are the victims of their own obsessive pre-draft preparations — their skill level has increased so much that only the effects of chance remain.
If I was a GM, once I got my franchise QB (and I’d spend/trade WHATEVER it takes to get him), I’d try to trade down as often as possible each year to maintain a healthy stock of draft capital and increase my chances of hitting on picks. NFL teams/GMs are overconfident in their evaluations and, as a result, they tend to overvalue early picks (because of a perceived higher degree of certainty) and undervalue mid-to-late round picks.

4) Coverage players are more important than pass rushers
http://pff.com/news/pro-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush
This one I’m still being convinced of, but I can see the argument. Pass rush is essential. You MUST put pressure on the QB. That being said I believe that a pass rush can be schemed through a blitz heavy approach (I’ve always preferred blitz happy d-coordinators), whereas quality coverage is harder to simply scheme. That being said, the article finds that coverage is less stable year to year than pass rush, making investment in the secondary a bit more risky than investing in edge rushers.

5) Offense makes you competitive – Defense gets you over the hump
I don’t fully subscribe to the “defense wins championships” phrase anymore. I believe if you’re a building team, addressing the offense is the thing that brings you to playoff competition. After a productive offense is in place, building a capable defense is the thing that gets you over the proverbial hump. Building a defense should not be the first priority. Also, in keeping with the findings in point 1 and 4, when the defense is being built, the focus should be on depth and versatility to match up with a variety of scenarios and mitigate the defenses fragility rather than feeling like you need to acquire elite individual players.

6) Get your top 10 salaries as close to 60% as possible without going over
http://sbnation.com/2018/3/15/17114596/nfl-free-agency-2018-salary-cap-formula-winning-teams
This is a strange one. Obviously, simply spending money doesn’t lead to success. However, while it’s not causal, it does seem to be a predictive measure of success to an extent. Just something interesting to ponder when it comes to cap management.


Thanks for reading. Hope everyone has a merry Draftmas! I am personally hoping for a trade down followed by a Jedrick Wills selection. Go Big Blue!
All make sense  
George from PA : 4/21/2020 4:55 pm : link
Except for maybe the top 10 salary....NE definitely goes with backfield over pass rush.

More important....seems like DG is using similar logic.

I guess the Giants should use the 1st 3 picks on offense and last 7 on defense.....more corners!

Like the fragile vs non fragile....i guess protecting QB is a must to keep this true
AlbanyDan kicking ass with his first post.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/21/2020 4:58 pm : link
Well done.
AlbanyDan  
M.S. : 4/21/2020 4:58 pm : link

Thanks for your post, and welcome!

Some very interesting stuff!
In sub defense 80% of the time  
Torrag : 4/21/2020 4:59 pm : link
This makes me question what the rationale is for having Williams, Lawrence, and Tomlinson.

The reason is bacause you have so many smaller speed guys on the field you are relying on your base front to stop the run without a lot of help doing it.
Very impressed by your well thought out and researched first post  
BestFeature : 4/21/2020 5:05 pm : link
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Damnit--I was hoping  
rebel yell : 4/21/2020 5:09 pm : link
to learn about our compensation pick from New Orleans for Shockey. Oh, well. Great work AD.
RE: In sub defense 80% of the time  
AlbanyDan : 4/21/2020 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14875841 Torrag said:
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This makes me question what the rationale is for having Williams, Lawrence, and Tomlinson.

The reason is bacause you have so many smaller speed guys on the field you are relying on your base front to stop the run without a lot of help doing it.


Solid point. Do you envision Williams at DE in those sub packages a decent chunk of the time? Williams-Lawrence-Tomlinson-Carter? I would love to see the breakdown of where each of them played this past year.
RE: AlbanyDan kicking ass with his first post.  
AlbanyDan : 4/21/2020 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14875839 robbieballs2003 said:
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Well done.


Haha thanks, man!
"Do you envision Williams at DE in those sub packages..."  
Torrag : 4/21/2020 5:16 pm : link
and if we're bringing 3rd down pressure it would look like Ximines/Fackrell-Williams-Dex-Tomlinson/Hill-Fackrell/Carter.
outstanding and welcome  
Chip : 4/21/2020 5:19 pm : link
I am an alum of UNH and we have been playing a base nickel as our defense for about 20 years. Its helped us get to the playoffs for a number of years.
Nice post  
Johnny5 : 4/21/2020 5:20 pm : link
Good stuff. Seems like Mr. Belichick has figured iut number 3... lol
Good post Dan  
LBH15 : 4/21/2020 5:26 pm : link
3 is a concept I tend to directionally agree with, just not as far as you take it above.

Gather up red chippers as often as possible. Mostly because they are starter talent already and the extra quantity keeps the roster healthier for longer periods. As well as some become blue chip finds as a bonus.

I'm glad you decided to post. You're off to a very good start  
Ira : 4/21/2020 5:29 pm : link
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Great first post  
US1 Giants : 4/21/2020 5:37 pm : link
Welcome!
Scary -  
section125 : 4/21/2020 5:46 pm : link
a 1st post with substance.

Well done.
Nice post  
Oscar : 4/21/2020 5:49 pm : link
On #5, it seems to me that consistently successful teams have very good to great offenses and “good enough” defenses. And if you can get the defense to a reasonably good level you are really set.

The flip side of that is the great defensive team carrying a so-so offense. I feel like these teams are a lot more limited, it’s just harder to win and when they do win it’s not sustainable year after year. The Bears always seem to wind up with this kind of team. The Bills have one now. You feel like they can win if everything goes right but it’s difficult. As you said it’s hard to keep a strong defense humming along.

If you can build a great offense you will always be at least pretty good overall, competitive, in the playoff mix.

Welcome!  
Jay in Toronto : 4/21/2020 5:49 pm : link
So we're going to draft Okudah???

🤣
AlbanyDan  
BestFeature : 4/21/2020 5:53 pm : link
You realize it's all downhill from this? You can't top this post, haha.
Very nice first post  
UberAlias : 4/21/2020 6:13 pm : link
Some really good stuff here.

#1 I see where they are going, but don't completely agree. Yes, the offense decides where to attack, but when you start limiting the playbook on the offense or reducing the filed, they chances are significantly reduced. For example, if an offense has to throw away from a CB, or can take away the opponents #1 target, that is highly impactful. So is having a guy who has to be double teamed Also, when it comes to the pass rush and pass protection, the script is flipped --it's the defense that's on in the attack and offense on the defensive. The defense can attack the weak link on the Oline or move pass rushers off the offenses lock down linemen. Don't under estimate the impact of playmakers on the defense, they can turn a game just as the offensive skills guys.
Albany Strong  
V.I.G. : 4/21/2020 6:23 pm : link
Great Post  
Archer : 4/21/2020 6:34 pm : link
A lot of interesting information.
It confirms a lot our my thinking and suggests that Simmons should be the pick.

The article comparing pass rush vs. coverage impact is great reading and I recommend that all fans read it.

The new NFL is about forcing the qb to hold the ball longer rather than forcing a faster release.

Welcome Dan!  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/21/2020 6:45 pm : link
Your first post is supposed to either be drivel, so we can ridicule you, or repeat an opinion associated with another poster, so we can accuse you of being a dupe handle. Epic fail, Newbie.

Excellent stuff. The NFL needs to recruit more GMs like Matt Millen (or Wellington Mara). Inept personnel evaluation was key to the League’s glory years. Now everyone’s an expert, so nobody is.
RE: Very nice first post  
AlbanyDan : 4/21/2020 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14875937 UberAlias said:
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Some really good stuff here.

#1 I see where they are going, but don't completely agree. Yes, the offense decides where to attack, but when you start limiting the playbook on the offense or reducing the filed, they chances are significantly reduced. For example, if an offense has to throw away from a CB, or can take away the opponents #1 target, that is highly impactful. So is having a guy who has to be double teamed Also, when it comes to the pass rush and pass protection, the script is flipped --it's the defense that's on in the attack and offense on the defensive. The defense can attack the weak link on the Oline or move pass rushers off the offenses lock down linemen. Don't under estimate the impact of playmakers on the defense, they can turn a game just as the offensive skills guys.


So glad you brought this up! Yes, there are absolutely caveats. Truly elite gamewreckers like Aaron Donald, Stephon Gilmore, and maybe someone like Chase Young do change the offensive gameplan enough to impose their will on the other team. There are definitely exceptions, but I'd imagine there are only 10-15 defensive players in the league that are at this level in any given year.

Good point about defenses moving pass rushers around to exploit opposing oline weaknesses. That is probably one way defenses truly have the ability to dictate to opposing offenses.
AD-  
Giantgator : 4/21/2020 9:30 pm : link
What are you doing, coming in here with logic and facts?
RE: AD-  
UberAlias : 4/22/2020 8:47 am : link
In comment 14876130 Giantgator said:
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What are you doing, coming in here with logic and facts?
LOL. Yep, it's a really good start. Keep it up!
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