Sam Darnold is a horrible QB in every phase of the game

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I have been watching the NFL since the 1960's. He is the most dynamic back the Giants have ever had and he will be one of the best ever if he can stay healthy.

Darnold not a fan but he and Rosen were quite popular on this board but both may become busts.

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The giants messed up by drafting an all pro talent second overall. Get out of here with that garbage. Says who? Some made up bullshit. Even if it’s a guard, which is one of the more easier to obtain non critical positions, you always draft him if he’s all pro caliber. And yes that includes RB.

Your Sam Darnold take is comically premature. Other than that great thread.

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Worry about the Giants. If both teams do well, it will be a lot of fun being a NJ sports fan. NY too.

"I need to start a thread insulting Darnold, so that I have a platform to insult the Giants for drafting a world-class running back."

It's really quite clever, sorta.

by Jones the next year. With no OL he was still awesome even slowed a bunch last year by a painful High Ankle Sprain

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for another Jets trainwreck!

The quarantine troll!

But he hasn't been what he was hyped up to be either. My take on Sam is that he is not a consistent player. He has been mediocre at best. He has played like a bottom third starting nfl qb. He can play in this league, but has yet to show he can be a top third qb or at least trend that way.

I think it's BS how he gets all the excuses in the world (OL, WR, Coach, Mono, young) but when it comes to DJ, it's "see that's why he shouldnt have been taken 6th". The narratives people stick to will label a player forever. Sam could be a bust and his legacy will be the jets ruined him. Jones could be great and it'll be because the coach and players around him. mean while jones (who has not solidified being the franchise guy by any means) has shown a lot more than sam has.

Jones has had elite games of 4 TDs and no picks. A 5 TD game which includes a game winning walk off TD. But jones doesn't get the same level of respect bc Sam is living off his draft hype. everything jones does, it get water thrown on it and whatever sam does get celebrated.

Both of these QBs are the same point in their careers and jones is in year 2 and Darnold is year year 3. both have the same expectations. What does this tell you?

Get a hobby!

For a team that was horrible to pick a RB #2 was a horrible move. Who the hell is going to want to pay a RB big money after his rookie deal is up? The only way that it ends up no being a bad pick is if the Giants are legit contending for a super bowl during his rookie contract which is highly doubtful at this point. Maybe his last year. Nobody in NY cares about individual accolades it’s all about winning here.

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in 3 years and that was with a pattycake schedule last season.

Focus on your own shithouse before critiquing the neighbor's.

We have 5th year option

Lets not put the carriage before the horse and worry about contracts 3 years down the road

Horrible, he’s very unproven at this point

In comment 14894580 Doubledeuce22 said:

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For a team that was horrible to pick a RB #2 was a horrible move. Who the hell is going to want to pay a RB big money after his rookie deal is up? The only way that it ends up no being a bad pick is if the Giants are legit contending for a super bowl during his rookie contract which is highly doubtful at this point. Maybe his last year. Nobody in NY cares about individual accolades it’s all about winning here.

Given what was available I think the pick has been justified. Those QBs are not very good.

Fuck contracts. You pick the best player.

You guys do way too much hand wringing about money than is justified in today's NFL. I swear half of you are stuck in 2002.

...and the worst WR corp in the NFL.

and QB's seem to be written off very quick these days.

I think he is in for a rough road because of his division. I can't see the Jets competing with Buffalo and NE and Miami may pass them this year. Which ultimately will lead to another coaching change.

stil have hope in his future development. Also as a Giants fan who cares?

Darnold is not a horrible QB -- he's a decent QB -- jsut will never be a championship QB -- there are short-comings in his demenaor and his game for that

but this is a huge season for Darnold. He needs to improve significantly if he is going to be the Jets long term answer.

In comment 14894652 gidiefor said:

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Darnold is not a horrible QB -- he's a decent QB -- jsut will never be a championship QB -- there are short-comings in his demenaor and his game for that

Really? What was your first fuckin’ clue?

In comment 14894652 gidiefor said:

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Darnold is not a horrible QB -- he's a decent QB -- jsut will never be a championship QB -- there are short-comings in his demenaor and his game for that

Honestly gidie -- what aren't threads like this an automatic check of the IP and an easy cut?

I’m thrilled with Barkley and look forward to DJ cleaning up some things as he show’s a bunch of talent and headiness..

I am glad we didn’t take Darnold, but by no means is he a horrible QB

It had to be. We meet new idiots every day. Just another one.

In comment 14894666 Big Blue '56 said:

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I’m thrilled with Barkley and look forward to DJ cleaning up some things as he show’s a bunch of talent and headiness.. I am glad we didn’t take Darnold, but by no means is he a horrible QB

Agree with this. It took Eli three years. I don’t see Darnold being Eli in any way shape or form, but I don’t think he is horrible. I also think Barkley was an excellent pick.

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In comment 14894630 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 14894580 Doubledeuce22 said: Quote: For a team that was horrible to pick a RB #2 was a horrible move. Who the hell is going to want to pay a RB big money after his rookie deal is up? The only way that it ends up no being a bad pick is if the Giants are legit contending for a super bowl during his rookie contract which is highly doubtful at this point. Maybe his last year. Nobody in NY cares about individual accolades it’s all about winning here. Given what was available I think the pick has been justified. Those QBs are not very good. Fuck contracts. You pick the best player. You guys do way too much hand wringing about money than is justified in today's NFL. I swear half of you are stuck in 2002.

Justified? We passed over Bradley Chubb and Quentin Nelson. Hindsight is not 20/20 on that either. Nelson was touted as the best OL ever scouted and Chubb was clearly in play as a top 5 pick. I love Barkley and think he’s great but he made no sense for a team that needed to fill much bigger holes than skill players. The Giants could have easily traded down in that draft too considering that the Jets and Bills both moved up. You don’t take RBs in the first round unless you have a team that’s ready to win now. That’s my opinion.

His 2nd year was worse that DJ's 1st. Whether that plays out in the long run is to be seen but I'm so glad we didn't take him. And though I wanted a trade back the year before and I think that would have been better overall, Barkley was still a very good pick if not better than that.

In comment 14894684 Doubledeuce22 said:

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In comment 14894630 LakeGeorgeGiant said: Quote: In comment 14894580 Doubledeuce22 said: Quote: For a team that was horrible to pick a RB #2 was a horrible move. Who the hell is going to want to pay a RB big money after his rookie deal is up? The only way that it ends up no being a bad pick is if the Giants are legit contending for a super bowl during his rookie contract which is highly doubtful at this point. Maybe his last year. Nobody in NY cares about individual accolades it’s all about winning here. Given what was available I think the pick has been justified. Those QBs are not very good. Fuck contracts. You pick the best player. You guys do way too much hand wringing about money than is justified in today's NFL. I swear half of you are stuck in 2002. Justified? We passed over Bradley Chubb and Quentin Nelson. Hindsight is not 20/20 on that either. Nelson was touted as the best OL ever scouted and Chubb was clearly in play as a top 5 pick. I love Barkley and think he’s great but he made no sense for a team that needed to fill much bigger holes than skill players. The Giants could have easily traded down in that draft too considering that the Jets and Bills both moved up. You don’t take RBs in the first round unless you have a team that’s ready to win now. That’s my opinion.

I think it depends on the RB. Barkley is a pretty unique talent. He’s not Fournette.

On NFL Network they where saying the Colts have improved their running game better than they have in the past 6 (or more ) seasons . Their running back Marlon Mack (who had 1100 yards last year) Said himself for 800 of those yards Mack gets ZERO credit and Quenton Nelson get 100% credit for 800 of those 1100 yards . THE MOST PASSIONATE GIANTS FAN EVER !!!.....My brother says the jury is still out on who will be Hall of Fame Nelson or Barkley. Right now NFL media would probably lean towards Nelson because (per Colts media and hints from Frank Reich ) 60-70 % of Colts offense IS BUILT around Nelson.

In comment 14894712 HOF19 said:

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On NFL Network they where saying the Colts have improved their running game better than they have in the past 6 (or more ) seasons . Their running back Marlon Mack (who had 1100 yards last year) Said himself for 800 of those yards Mack gets ZERO credit and Quenton Nelson get 100% credit for 800 of those 1100 yards . THE MOST PASSIONATE GIANTS FAN EVER !!!.....My brother says the jury is still out on who will be Hall of Fame Nelson or Barkley. Right now NFL media would probably lean towards Nelson because (per Colts media and hints from Frank Reich ) 60-70 % of Colts offense IS BUILT around Nelson.

This from USA Today >>>>>>Colts' Quenton Nelson is so good, he's making offensive line highlights a thing >>>>>>Article link >>>>>https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl-colts-quenton-nelson-highlights-texans

who has a shitty RB,

a shitty OL,

and an odd group of WRs - good to great deep threat, who could do little else, and a good to great slot who was not a deep threat. Other WRs were basically non-entities.

An informed evaluation of SD is an incomplete based on the lack of a necessary supporting cast.

to have watched Eli's first 3 seasons and definitively declare that someone will never be a championship QB. The near-obsession some of us here have with the Jets is curious to me. Maybe its because Im not a NYer and that local rivalry isnt really a part of my experience as a fan. But I will say that for fans of the team thats supposed to be the "Big Brother" organization its a bad look.

He showed some progress the second half last season with a porous line and few weapons. He has to elevate his play in 2020 or the Jests are QB shopping again. I think he has a reasonable chance to succeed still.

As far as the OP and it's backdoor agenda to bash Barkley it's yet another terrible post by a terrible poster.

In comment 14894602 twostepgiants said:

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We have 5th year option Lets not put the carriage before the horse and worry about contracts 3 years down the road

Fans are too intelligent for their own good lately. Talk about paralysis by analysis. you have fans that have completely lost sight of Barkley’s overall impact on the game and how close we are to winning because of this kid, nope let’s worry about the money. And 3 frigging years from now. Never
Mind how many giants players NOT playing rb that haven’t even made it tie their second contract here but Barkley won’t be worthy. Just fucking stop already with this crap. Please.

I never loved him, and I’ll probably never love him as a player. It’s too soon but I don’t love his mechanics or his overall aura as a pro qb. I just don’t think he’s ever really displayed an irresistible quality that warrants a top 5 pick in the draft. I’d get behind it if I was a jets fan or if the giants drafted him, but I don’t think he’ll ever be a special player or one that does enough special to live up to the hype. And the jets don’t exactly inspire a lot of confidence.

In comment 14894663 christian said:

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In comment 14894652 gidiefor said: Quote: Darnold is not a horrible QB -- he's a decent QB -- jsut will never be a championship QB -- there are short-comings in his demenaor and his game for that Honestly gidie -- what aren't threads like this an automatic check of the IP and an easy cut?

if he continues to post this way he will get the axe -- but there's nothing matching his ip when he registered and nothing comes up now either

Was disappointed when they didn’t draft him. My disappointment was based entirely on the belief the Giants would never contend again during the years Eli had left. I wanted to move on, experience the start of a new era.

As it turned out they got Jones and Barkley, so passing on Darnold turned out a positive. But let s remember, they had a chance at Jones because they fell way short of the desired result when they picked Barkley, the play offs.

Had Eli and the Giants made the play offs that season, where would the Giants be at quarterback now.

I just believed at #2, you address the most important position in sports. Totally disagree Darnold s a bust.

I didn't think any of the top QBs were worth the #2 pick. In fact, by the time of the draft, the only QB that remotely interested me was Jackson, but only if they traded down.

That said, he is not horrible. He just isn't a franchise QB and none of the other top guys are.

I was so disappointed that the Giants passed that I stopped watching the rest of the first round. I had no doubt that Barkley was a special talent but I was worried that we would waste his prime years trying to find a QB just as the Vikings did with Adrian Peterson.

I thought that with Barkley the Giants would always be too good to land another pick high enough to draft a top QB. I didn't want a Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins type of starting QB.

Now with the benefit of hindsight I am very happy with the pick. Daniel Jones was better than Darnold last season despite being a rookie, dealing with a terrible OL and coaching staff, and all the injuries at WR.

We know for sure Darnold is a bust after his second season? I mean, all he did was have a winning record with a worse offense around him than the Giants. He tore up the Cowboys, something no Giants qb has done in years. By the same token, we know with a certainty that Jones a franchise qb based on one year, with a 3-9 record? I mean Mayfield looked like a superstar year 1, until nfl defensive coordinators exposed the fact that he couldn’t read a defense, and now he looks like a borderline nfl starter. How about we just give everyone some time to develop before making definitive statements about the career trajectory.

Thought not likely to admit it.

HE has a lot to prove, thats for sure. He hasn't shown anything more than a lot of other QB's drafter lower than him.