Eli's 4th quarter #s in Super Bowls...

But not 3 TDs, nitpicking a bit but the only TD in Q4 of 46 was Bradshaw sitting down across the goal line

In comment 14899637 emcca005 said:

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But not 3 TDs, nitpicking a bit but the only TD in Q4 of 46 was Bradshaw sitting down across the goal line

Yup. You're right. I don't know why I thought 3.

just sayin...

pretends to lead a game-winning Super Bowl drive while playing with his friends in the backyard - Eli got to live that dream twice. Just incredible moments he got to experience.

extrapolated over a full game that would be the equivalent of throwing for 540 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs.

Playing at that level in the 4th quarter of the biggest game there is in the history of sports (in terms of most-watched). And winning in comeback fashion, and doing it TWICE. I would say that's a good indication that of clutchness and pressure bringing the very best out of a player.

I'll always believe that Eli was the most clutch football player of all-time. Maybe Brady and Montana won more, sure... but in terms of a player's play elevating under pressure, at crunch-time, in the 4th quarter, when he's needed most, I've never seen anyone like Eli be able to consistently turn it on and deliver time and time again. I have no idea what it is in that that just brought out his very best at the exact time he needed to be his best.

I even had a sense of this before he won the super bowls-- just so often in the 4th quarter he would turn it on at the exact time it was most needed. You just got that sense like "wow, this guy just has that IT factor under pressure. I'm just glad he comes away with 2 SB MVPs to show for it.

a World Cup soccer final draws 4-5 times the TV audience that a SuperBowl does.

I'm a 33 year old Giants, Mets, & Rangers fan...

Eli Manning is my favorite professional athlete of my entire life.

I miss the guy already, but I know in my heart of hearts that he will be honored in football lore the way he deserves.

Hands down for so many reasons

which is a cherry on top.

Eli is definitely this generations.’ Simms.

I ve always appreciated that.

He will always be my guy.

He should be a first ballot HOF'er. I hope the voters do the right thing.

but Phil went 22/25 with 268 yards, 3 TDs, zero turnovers, an historical record passer rating of 150.9, 88% completions, and another all time record of 10 straight completions.

Only a freak injury prevented him from getting a second crack at the big stage.

Just sayin'

but both great upsets let alone the 18-0 Pats.

Giants team where better teams no doubt about it. So comparing them are not fair. Eli did it with less talented team. The Giants against the Bronco's we where the favorites going in. Buff game was about even because Simms was not playing.

I loved the Simms era except I hate the Pats so that first Superbowl knocking off the 18-0 Pats was my favorite win of all times other than the Yanks Bucky dent homer to knock off another of my most hated team the Red Sox seeing I life in New England.

... I think it’s important to look at both sides of the coin. He was fantastic in the two Super Bowl runs. On the other hand, the Giants were one-and-done in four of his six post-season appearances. Aside from the first twenty minutes against Green Bay three years ago, when he looked great but the receivers betrayed him, he didn’t play particularly well in those four playoff losses.

Try telling an Eagles fan that Eli Manning was a great clutch QB. You can point to one great comeback in 2006 and a couple of big plays to Cruz and Bradshaw in 2011. I’m not sure it’s possible to be a great clutch QB when your arch-rival owns you for the better part of 15 years.

I love the guy. He’s a class act and gave us two great runs. Great clutch QB? Only if you filter out a lot of disappointment.

In comment 14899820 mdthedream said:

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Giants team where better teams no doubt about it. So comparing them are not fair. Eli did it with less talented team. The Giants against the Bronco's we where the favorites going in. Buff game was about even because Simms was not playing.

At the WR position, Simms' '86 squad was far inferior to either of Eli's set of WRs. Far inferior to Place, Toomer and the just emerging Steve Smith, and like 1% of the talent laden Nicks, Cruz and Manningham trio.

Lordy I can't stand the "Eli didn't have talent argument." It's untrue, and beyond that weak and rather pathetic.

Now the OL was a huge issue by 2011, and mega kudos to Eli to rise above that. But he had WR talent coming out of his Cornhole relative to Simms' team throughout Phil's career.

In comment 14899825 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... I think it’s important to look at both sides of the coin. He was fantastic in the two Super Bowl runs. On the other hand, the Giants were one-and-done in four of his six post-season appearances. Aside from the first twenty minutes against Green Bay three years ago, when he looked great but the receivers betrayed him, he didn’t play particularly well in those four playoff losses. Try telling an Eagles fan that Eli Manning was a great clutch QB. You can point to one great comeback in 2006 and a couple of big plays to Cruz and Bradshaw in 2011. I’m not sure it’s possible to be a great clutch QB when your arch-rival owns you for the better part of 15 years. I love the guy. He’s a class act and gave us two great runs. Great clutch QB? Only if you filter out a lot of disappointment.

Yeah this. The "Eli was great in the clutch crowd ignores a lot of disappointments" and 4th quarter INTS.

In comment 14899825 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... I think it’s important to look at both sides of the coin. He was fantastic in the two Super Bowl runs. On the other hand, the Giants were one-and-done in four of his six post-season appearances. Aside from the first twenty minutes against Green Bay three years ago, when he looked great but the receivers betrayed him, he didn’t play particularly well in those four playoff losses. Try telling an Eagles fan that Eli Manning was a great clutch QB. You can point to one great comeback in 2006 and a couple of big plays to Cruz and Bradshaw in 2011. I’m not sure it’s possible to be a great clutch QB when your arch-rival owns you for the better part of 15 years. I love the guy. He’s a class act and gave us two great runs. Great clutch QB? Only if you filter out a lot of disappointment.

The problem I find with this post and discussion in general goes back to the old, yet accurate saying, "Qb's get too much credit for the success of the team and too much blame for the failure of the team."

Manning wasn't always fantastic in team wins nor was he always bad in team losses. In the fourth quarter of super bowl 42 and 46 Manning wasn't fantastic all by himself. It took a team effort to accomplish what the team did during those fourth quarter. The same would most likely apply to games and or quarters where Manning didn't perform as expected or desired. One must not ignore the team element when analyzing individual performances.

I can think of a lot of plays/drives throughout his career that indicate otherwise.

How about in 2011 when we were down 12 points to the Cowboys with five minutes remaining? We lose that game and we miss the playoffs. Or against the Patriots in Foxboro that year?

And those weren't just throws to WR greats. They were clutch the clutch throws to guys like Jake Ballard and Bear Pascoe. Or Henry Hynoski.

Eli was the 2 minute king for a long time. Did you guys forget that? He would score going into half and at the end of games regularly. He came alive in the 2 minute offense.

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I'll always believe that Eli was the most clutch football player of all-time.

is the entire team as a whole was a better team. This is why they won there division and was Favorites going into that Superbowl. The Bills Superbowl the Giants was the best team until Simms got hurt. That said the Bills also had a fantastic team. The Simms Giants team had great defense all around. Great Oline and ran the ball really well. Physical team. Know one expected the Giants to win in either year Eli won. I love both teams Simms and Eli but Eli teams where underdogs by a lot.

in 8 of them (2007 and 2011)...he played ok and well enough to win in 2 of them (2006 and 2016)...and pretty bad in 2 of them (2005 and 2008)...

But the overall theme being if he played badly the team had no shot of winning...in other words he had no margin for error...2 QB's come to mind, Big Ben and Russel Wilson who have had bad games in the playoffs and their teams have still won...

As for as Simms, he was my favorite player and I used to have arguments with Giant fans who said he was a choker..when they won in 1986 it was a beautiful thing and such sweet vindication!

But please don't tell me the talent level on those teams and Eli's teams were comparable...I will give you Eli probably had better WR's but his OL, running game, and defenses over the course of his career are not even remotely comparable to Simms...

Eli is without a doubt one of the great clutch QB's of all time and it is not debatable and such a weird thing people on here go out of their way to bash the guy at every turn...

was great and the better QB of the two.

that drafting Eli was a huge mistake and we'd never win anything with him, and then got every bit of that football stupidity jammed back down their throats by #10.


Eli Manning - #3 All Time in Playoff Game Winning Drives - ( New Window )

In comment 14899950 mdthedream said:

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was great and the better QB of the two.

See this is the type of statement that aggravates older fans; an opinion stated as absolute truth.

Simms was without a doubt the better quarterback. See, two can play that game.

Fact, Simms has the greatest passing percentage ever in a Super Bowl, he won going away.

In comment 14899977 joeinpa said:

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In comment 14899950 mdthedream said: Quote: was great and the better QB of the two. See this is the type of statement that aggravates older fans; an opinion stated as absolute truth. Simms was without a doubt the better quarterback. See, two can play that game. Fact, Simms has the greatest passing percentage ever in a Super Bowl, he won going away.

I think Philip was consistently better whereas Eli maybe had higher highs.

Possibly best suited for their respective eras.

"I will give you Eli probably had better WR's".....probably? 😂😂😂

Phil Simms would have given his left nut to have receivers like Eli. Ain't no "probably" about it. And the Giants OL from about 2005-2011 was good to excellent. The 1990 OL was a tremendous group of drive blockers, but elite pass protectors they were not.

Face it, Eli played with a helluva lot more offensive talent around him than Simms ever did. The only position where Phil's teams had a clear advantage was TE.

We were down in the final 2 mins. The clutchness of Eli was a magnificent thing to see.

In comment 14899682 Leg of Theismann said:

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extrapolated over a full game that would be the equivalent of throwing for 540 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs. Playing at that level in the 4th quarter of the biggest game there is in the history of sports (in terms of most-watched). And winning in comeback fashion, and doing it TWICE. I would say that's a good indication that of clutchness and pressure bringing the very best out of a player. I'll always believe that Eli was the most clutch football player of all-time. Maybe Brady and Montana won more, sure... but in terms of a player's play elevating under pressure, at crunch-time, in the 4th quarter, when he's needed most, I've never seen anyone like Eli be able to consistently turn it on and deliver time and time again. I have no idea what it is in that that just brought out his very best at the exact time he needed to be his best. I even had a sense of this before he won the super bowls-- just so often in the 4th quarter he would turn it on at the exact time it was most needed. You just got that sense like "wow, this guy just has that IT factor under pressure. I'm just glad he comes away with 2 SB MVPs to show for it.

This is perfectly put!!! So succinct!!!

Thanks couldn’t have said it better!!!