Why not throw in another two year and out coach, Ray Handley? As awful as he was, he won more games combined in two years (14) than either of them. Sad trio.
when he had no business making the playoffs. Actually i think Spags did better than all of them as a HC and DC.
Spags is one of the worst head coaches in NFL history. He went 1-3 in his interim stint here and that RAISED his career winning percentage as a head coach.
the one with the ill-fitting suit or the one with the slicked back hair? the former did pretty well, but then it seemed like he had a complete personality transplant.
Why not throw in another two year and out coach, Ray Handley? As awful as he was, he won more games combined in two years (14) than either of them. Sad trio.
Handley took over a Super Bowl champion and they had to win the last game at home against the Oilers to get to 8-8. The other two took over teams that were already bad. The 11-win McAdoo team was done with a bunch of mercenaries on defense. For an guy with a background in offense he really didn't do much. Shurmur, at least, got the offense to score some points, but assembling a good staff wasn't his strong point. The defense was a mess and the offensive line couldn't pick up a blitz.
but beckham did enough in season with that dee to make the playoffs. he is better for actually coaching a team with a winning record which shurmur has never done. mcadoo fell apart year two with the hair but had the beckham injury and other injuries to deal with.
funny how 2016 was beckham's last really good season as a pro. his career really took a turn after that dismal playoff performance in lambeau
Shurmur did not lose the respect of the team like McAdoo did.
And Shurmur was also a much better OC. McAdoo was in over his head even as the OC.
McAdoo was THE WORST head coach the GIANTS have had in my lifetime starting with Jim Lee Howell, even including Ray Handley and all the guys during the 15 years of lousy football. No contest.
Shurmur was more qualified to lead a team. He wasn’t a good game coach and he picked some bad assistants. Why the didn’t fire the o-line coach before the second season is beyond me.
I'm just happy our current coach won't be distracted by play-calling duties.
...and emphasizes teaching fundamentals
...and focuses on the small details in game prep
...and listens to players when it comes to making in-game adjustments
...and will run physical practices with pads on
He inherited a much worse situation. As stated above McAdoo lost the respect of the team, they gave up on his watch. That is the worst thing a HC can allow to happen.
That didn't happen with Shurmur, they just sucked like a normal bad team. Errors, folding in crunch time etc.
Under Shurmur the Giants also moved the ball and scored points sometimes. McAdoo, the supposed offensive genius, the moment he took over the offense went to crap.
He had no shot. the situation PS inherited with both the Browns and Giants might have been the worst two situations any head coach could ever walk into.
McAdoo had a legit defense the year they made the playoffs, but he couldn't find a way to generate points - which should have been his wheel-house area.
apparently the players thought so too. But that said, I thought he was a much better game situation decision maker as a head coach.
Shurmur was a nicer, more likable guy, but seemed utterly uninspiring as a head coach. On top of that, he was brutal when it came to things like game time management/use of time outs, when to throw challenge flag, personnel decisions like burying Saquon for the second half of that Eagles game, etc.
In the 16 game era the New York Giants have never had 2 consecutive years under the same coach as bad as the Giants were under Shurmur.
- The 23 losses are the most under a head coach over 2 years
- Shurmur is the only head coach in the 16 game era to never have a .500 season
- Shurmur's 9 wins are the fewest of any NYG head coach in the 16 game era, fewer than 5 fewer than you know who
Pat Shurmur is arguably the least successful coach in the history of the Giants.
Those who are voting for McAdoo need to take into account:
1) Shurmur didn't have anywhere near the screw ups that McAdoo did as far as the boat trip, the Eli sharing time/benching for Geno fucking Smith, following Coughlin and making Tom look like a "player's coach", just to name a few.
2) Many haven't taken into account the fact that McAdoo was here for two years prior to his head coaching debacle. He made the playoffs with a staff and system that was already in place for two years under TC. Lets have some perspective here.
He had the worse coaching staff in the league, plus Gentlemen stripped this team of almost all its talent, and yet Shurmur never lost his team. Shurmur also took a rookie QB, gave him the support and offensive system he needed to have a really successful start to his career. Giant fans owe a lot to Shurmur, he was sacrificed to make this team better, and yet Shurmur never badmouthed the Giants organization and the Giant fans.
He had the worse coaching staff in the league, plus Gentlemen stripped this team of almost all its talent, and yet Shurmur never lost his team. Shurmur also took a rookie QB, gave him the support and offensive system he needed to have a really successful start to his career. Giant fans owe a lot to Shurmur, he was sacrificed to make this team better, and yet Shurmur never badmouthed the Giants organization and the Giant fans.
I agree with this. Shurmur took a team that was in free fall and turned it into a team. They were not a good team, but they were a team.
Made the playoffs on the strength of the defense in 2016. The high priced FA (Jenkins, Vernon, and Harrison) all played well plus Collins and DRC had really great seasons. Even Eli Apple was good as the 3rd corner (before he had his family issues).
McAdoo’s offenses were awful. Opponents consistent stated they knew what the Giants were running just by the formation. The team struggled mightily to score even 20 points. I don’t think they ever scored 30 under McAdoo.
Add that to his handling of Eli, and losing the team, and the guy is the worse coach in Giants history.
I mean if I had to pick one I'd go with Pat Shurmur over Ben McDooDoo.
Spags is one of the worst head coaches in NFL history. He went 1-3 in his interim stint here and that RAISED his career winning percentage as a head coach.
He can probably even call plays well; just don't ask him to manage the game at the same time!
Who was a worse HC Ben McAdoo or Pat Shurmur?
Under Shurmur, the offense scored in the 20's, 30's and 40's pretty quickly.
McAdoo's offenses ranked 26th and 31st.
Shurmur's offenses ranked 16th and 18th.
They both sucked as head coaches and leaders, but have to give the nod to Shurmur on offense.
IMO - Shurmur kept the team together. He was steady and kept it together when they were losing.
IMO - McAdoo seemed to lose his mind. He was lucky in his first-year. He got arrogant, became a walking cliche, was disingenuous, and lost the team.
Shurmur had a horrible staff around him. I think that was ultimately his undoing. McAdoo's staff was better I think.
For those who mentioned RH. He was totally clueless. He took a Superbowl winning team and destroyed them in less than two years.
Handley took over a Super Bowl champion and they had to win the last game at home against the Oilers to get to 8-8. The other two took over teams that were already bad. The 11-win McAdoo team was done with a bunch of mercenaries on defense. For an guy with a background in offense he really didn't do much. Shurmur, at least, got the offense to score some points, but assembling a good staff wasn't his strong point. The defense was a mess and the offensive line couldn't pick up a blitz.
So, if I had to pick one ... I'd abstain.
IMO - Shurmur kept the team together. He was steady and kept it together when they were losing.
IMO - McAdoo seemed to lose his mind. He was lucky in his first-year. He got arrogant, became a walking cliche, was disingenuous, and lost the team.
Shurmur had a horrible staff around him. I think that was ultimately his undoing. McAdoo's staff was better I think.
For those who mentioned RH. He was totally clueless. He took a Superbowl winning team and destroyed them in less than two years.
Exactly my take also
funny how 2016 was beckham's last really good season as a pro. his career really took a turn after that dismal playoff performance in lambeau
Shurmur was more likable and he didn't lose the team, but he put together a crappy staff and all he did was lose.
And Shurmur was also a much better OC. McAdoo was in over his head even as the OC.
McAdoo was THE WORST head coach the GIANTS have had in my lifetime starting with Jim Lee Howell, even including Ray Handley and all the guys during the 15 years of lousy football. No contest.
...and emphasizes teaching fundamentals
...and focuses on the small details in game prep
...and listens to players when it comes to making in-game adjustments
...and will run physical practices with pads on
Lol
That didn't happen with Shurmur, they just sucked like a normal bad team. Errors, folding in crunch time etc.
Under Shurmur the Giants also moved the ball and scored points sometimes. McAdoo, the supposed offensive genius, the moment he took over the offense went to crap.
Shurmur was better, but that is not saying much.
McAdoo had a legit defense the year they made the playoffs, but he couldn't find a way to generate points - which should have been his wheel-house area.
this
Set the Giants back years !!!
Was quite incompetent.
Quite.
So Benny was the better of the two.
Shurmur was a nicer, more likable guy, but seemed utterly uninspiring as a head coach. On top of that, he was brutal when it came to things like game time management/use of time outs, when to throw challenge flag, personnel decisions like burying Saquon for the second half of that Eagles game, etc.
- The 23 losses are the most under a head coach over 2 years
- Shurmur is the only head coach in the 16 game era to never have a .500 season
- Shurmur's 9 wins are the fewest of any NYG head coach in the 16 game era, fewer than 5 fewer than you know who
Pat Shurmur is arguably the least successful coach in the history of the Giants.
1) Shurmur didn't have anywhere near the screw ups that McAdoo did as far as the boat trip, the Eli sharing time/benching for Geno fucking Smith, following Coughlin and making Tom look like a "player's coach", just to name a few.
2) Many haven't taken into account the fact that McAdoo was here for two years prior to his head coaching debacle. He made the playoffs with a staff and system that was already in place for two years under TC. Lets have some perspective here.
I’d have gone w Rosie over Shelly to name it a harder choice. But We get the analogy . Lol
Like saying which time your wife cheated on you was worse
I agree with this. Shurmur took a team that was in free fall and turned it into a team. They were not a good team, but they were a team.
McAdoo’s offenses were awful. Opponents consistent stated they knew what the Giants were running just by the formation. The team struggled mightily to score even 20 points. I don’t think they ever scored 30 under McAdoo.
Add that to his handling of Eli, and losing the team, and the guy is the worse coach in Giants history.
His teams were consistently unprepared. He was not focused on what was actually happening on the field. The staff he hired was atrocious.
Based on his prior experience, he is BY FAR the worse head coach in my opinion.