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Who was a better HC Ben McAdoo or Pat Shurmur?

Reale01 : 5/10/2020 6:04 pm
Who do you think was the better HC and why?
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They were both terrible head coaches  
Ben in Tampa : 5/10/2020 6:09 pm : link
Shurmur had a better head on his shoulders
Mac made the playoffs  
Gordo : 5/10/2020 6:09 pm : link
when he had no business making the playoffs. Actually i think Spags did better than all of them as a HC and DC.
why not throw in.....  
Spirit of '86 : 5/10/2020 6:11 pm : link
Why not throw in another two year and out coach, Ray Handley? As awful as he was, he won more games combined in two years (14) than either of them. Sad trio.
That's like  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/10/2020 6:11 pm : link
asking who is the hotter chick, Shelley Duvall or Rhea Perlman?
RE: That's like  
SGMen : 5/10/2020 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14900004 Eric from BBI said:
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asking who is the hotter chick, Shelley Duvall or Rhea Perlman?
Shelley all the way man!

I mean if I had to pick one I'd go with Pat Shurmur over Ben McDooDoo.
RE: Mac made the playoffs  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/10/2020 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14900002 Gordo said:
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when he had no business making the playoffs. Actually i think Spags did better than all of them as a HC and DC.

Spags is one of the worst head coaches in NFL history. He went 1-3 in his interim stint here and that RAISED his career winning percentage as a head coach.
I'll answer the unasked question  
KeoweeFan : 5/10/2020 6:19 pm : link
Shurmur is the better OC and QB coach.
He can probably even call plays well; just don't ask him to manage the game at the same time!
The Word Better Shouldn't Be Used With Either Of Them  
Trainmaster : 5/10/2020 6:19 pm : link
Fixed:

Who was a worse HC Ben McAdoo or Pat Shurmur?
Shurmur  
JoeyBigBlue : 5/10/2020 6:20 pm : link
MacAdoo had more talent on defense. Shurmur offense was OK at times at least.
which Ben McAdoo?  
markky : 5/10/2020 6:20 pm : link
the one with the ill-fitting suit or the one with the slicked back hair? the former did pretty well, but then it seemed like he had a complete personality transplant.
Easily Shelley Duvall and Ben McAdoo.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/10/2020 6:24 pm : link
:)
They were both offensive coaches.....  
Britt in VA : 5/10/2020 6:24 pm : link
McAdoo couldn't get his offense above 20 points for maddening long stretches.

Under Shurmur, the offense scored in the 20's, 30's and 40's pretty quickly.

McAdoo's offenses ranked 26th and 31st.
Shurmur's offenses ranked 16th and 18th.

They both sucked as head coaches and leaders, but have to give the nod to Shurmur on offense.
The guy who didn't replace a HOF QB  
Geomon : 5/10/2020 6:30 pm : link
with Geno Smith was the better coach.
Personally I liked Shurmur more  
Reale01 : 5/10/2020 6:34 pm : link
VERY happy with the change that was made this year.

IMO - Shurmur kept the team together. He was steady and kept it together when they were losing.

IMO - McAdoo seemed to lose his mind. He was lucky in his first-year. He got arrogant, became a walking cliche, was disingenuous, and lost the team.

Shurmur had a horrible staff around him. I think that was ultimately his undoing. McAdoo's staff was better I think.

For those who mentioned RH. He was totally clueless. He took a Superbowl winning team and destroyed them in less than two years.
RE: why not throw in.....  
Gman11 : 5/10/2020 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14900003 Spirit of '86 said:
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Why not throw in another two year and out coach, Ray Handley? As awful as he was, he won more games combined in two years (14) than either of them. Sad trio.


Handley took over a Super Bowl champion and they had to win the last game at home against the Oilers to get to 8-8. The other two took over teams that were already bad. The 11-win McAdoo team was done with a bunch of mercenaries on defense. For an guy with a background in offense he really didn't do much. Shurmur, at least, got the offense to score some points, but assembling a good staff wasn't his strong point. The defense was a mess and the offensive line couldn't pick up a blitz.

So, if I had to pick one ... I'd abstain.
They actually both  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/10/2020 6:37 pm : link
said "they were built for this". I am still trying to figure out what the "this" was.
RE: That's like  
Des51 : 5/10/2020 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14900004 Eric from BBI said:
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asking who is the hotter chick, Shelley Duvall or Rhea Perlman?
More like between Phyllis Diller and Moms Mabley.
Shurmur  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/10/2020 6:51 pm : link
The Giants hit their rock bottom in 2017 and were in full revolt. Team is still recovering.
RE: Personally I liked Shurmur more  
montanagiant : 5/10/2020 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14900019 Reale01 said:
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VERY happy with the change that was made this year.

IMO - Shurmur kept the team together. He was steady and kept it together when they were losing.

IMO - McAdoo seemed to lose his mind. He was lucky in his first-year. He got arrogant, became a walking cliche, was disingenuous, and lost the team.

Shurmur had a horrible staff around him. I think that was ultimately his undoing. McAdoo's staff was better I think.

For those who mentioned RH. He was totally clueless. He took a Superbowl winning team and destroyed them in less than two years.

Exactly my take also
McAdoo  
Danny Kanell : 5/10/2020 7:06 pm : link
And it’s not remotely close
the mcadoo offense was painful  
japanhead : 5/10/2020 7:12 pm : link
but beckham did enough in season with that dee to make the playoffs. he is better for actually coaching a team with a winning record which shurmur has never done. mcadoo fell apart year two with the hair but had the beckham injury and other injuries to deal with.

funny how 2016 was beckham's last really good season as a pro. his career really took a turn after that dismal playoff performance in lambeau
Shurmur by a mile  
Scuzzlebutt : 5/10/2020 7:20 pm : link
MacAdoo had no idea how to deal with other human beings and his offenses were putrid.
Results Matter  
Jim in Tampa : 5/10/2020 7:21 pm : link
McAdoo was better than Shurmur because he got the team to the playoffs in his first year.

Shurmur was more likable and he didn't lose the team, but he put together a crappy staff and all he did was lose.
Which hangover did you like better?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/10/2020 7:25 pm : link
The one where you threw up 5 times or the one where you threw up 3, but sent an absurd amount of drunk texts to your ex flame?
RE: Which hangover did you like better?  
upnyg : 5/10/2020 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14900045 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The one where you threw up 5 times or the one where you threw up 3, but sent an absurd amount of drunk texts to your ex flame?
yea,exactly
The team gave up on Mcadoo  
Chip : 5/10/2020 7:35 pm : link
that did not happen with Shurmur who had a much of rookies playing and an offensive line that couldn't protect the QB.
I go with Shelly Duvall in the Shining  
Daniel in Kentucky : 5/10/2020 7:36 pm : link
She was kind of hot in that movie; and I don’t know why.
gross. shelly duvall in the shining is  
japanhead : 5/10/2020 7:38 pm : link
vomit worthy.
Both terrible head coaches, BUT  
Red Dog : 5/10/2020 7:42 pm : link
Shurmur did not lose the respect of the team like McAdoo did.

And Shurmur was also a much better OC. McAdoo was in over his head even as the OC.

McAdoo was THE WORST head coach the GIANTS have had in my lifetime starting with Jim Lee Howell, even including Ray Handley and all the guys during the 15 years of lousy football. No contest.
Shelley Duval was hot in The Shining?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/10/2020 7:49 pm : link
Did we see the same movie?
If you look at all the skills needed by a HC, both were bad. But  
Ivan15 : 5/10/2020 7:51 pm : link
Shurmur was more qualified to lead a team. He wasn’t a good game coach and he picked some bad assistants. Why the didn’t fire the o-line coach before the second season is beyond me.
...  
HitSquad : 5/10/2020 7:59 pm : link
I'm just happy our current coach won't be distracted by play-calling duties.

...and emphasizes teaching fundamentals
...and focuses on the small details in game prep
...and listens to players when it comes to making in-game adjustments
...and will run physical practices with pads on

RE: That's like  
Vanzetti : 5/10/2020 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14900004 Eric from BBI said:
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asking who is the hotter chick, Shelley Duvall or Rhea Perlman?


Lol
Tallest  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2020 8:11 pm : link
midget contest.
Shurmur was better  
rocco8112 : 5/10/2020 8:14 pm : link
He inherited a much worse situation. As stated above McAdoo lost the respect of the team, they gave up on his watch. That is the worst thing a HC can allow to happen.

That didn't happen with Shurmur, they just sucked like a normal bad team. Errors, folding in crunch time etc.

Under Shurmur the Giants also moved the ball and scored points sometimes. McAdoo, the supposed offensive genius, the moment he took over the offense went to crap.

Shurmur was better, but that is not saying much.
Shurmur...  
Dnew15 : 5/10/2020 8:17 pm : link
He had no shot. the situation PS inherited with both the Browns and Giants might have been the worst two situations any head coach could ever walk into.

McAdoo had a legit defense the year they made the playoffs, but he couldn't find a way to generate points - which should have been his wheel-house area.
RE: McAdoo  
GiantsFan84 : 5/10/2020 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14900034 Danny Kanell said:
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And it’s not remotely close


this
They both sucked  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 5/10/2020 9:15 pm : link
And if you are going to fire a Giant Legend in TC, you can’t replace him with those 2 idiots!!!

Set the Giants back years !!!
Pat Shurmur as a Head Coach  
M.S. : 5/10/2020 9:31 pm : link

Was quite incompetent.

Quite.

So Benny was the better of the two.
McAdoo was annoying as fuck as a coach  
mfsd : 5/10/2020 9:49 pm : link
apparently the players thought so too. But that said, I thought he was a much better game situation decision maker as a head coach.

Shurmur was a nicer, more likable guy, but seemed utterly uninspiring as a head coach. On top of that, he was brutal when it came to things like game time management/use of time outs, when to throw challenge flag, personnel decisions like burying Saquon for the second half of that Eagles game, etc.
...  
christian : 5/10/2020 10:13 pm : link
In the 16 game era the New York Giants have never had 2 consecutive years under the same coach as bad as the Giants were under Shurmur.

- The 23 losses are the most under a head coach over 2 years
- Shurmur is the only head coach in the 16 game era to never have a .500 season
- Shurmur's 9 wins are the fewest of any NYG head coach in the 16 game era, fewer than 5 fewer than you know who

Pat Shurmur is arguably the least successful coach in the history of the Giants.
Shurmur  
LeonBright45 : 5/10/2020 10:18 pm : link
Those who are voting for McAdoo need to take into account:

1) Shurmur didn't have anywhere near the screw ups that McAdoo did as far as the boat trip, the Eli sharing time/benching for Geno fucking Smith, following Coughlin and making Tom look like a "player's coach", just to name a few.

2) Many haven't taken into account the fact that McAdoo was here for two years prior to his head coaching debacle. He made the playoffs with a staff and system that was already in place for two years under TC. Lets have some perspective here.
Shurmur took a bullet for this team.  
idinkido : 5/10/2020 10:21 pm : link
He had the worse coaching staff in the league, plus Gentlemen stripped this team of almost all its talent, and yet Shurmur never lost his team. Shurmur also took a rookie QB, gave him the support and offensive system he needed to have a really successful start to his career. Giant fans owe a lot to Shurmur, he was sacrificed to make this team better, and yet Shurmur never badmouthed the Giants organization and the Giant fans.
RE: That's like  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/10/2020 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14900004 Eric from BBI said:
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asking who is the hotter chick, Shelley Duvall or Rhea Perlman?


I’d have gone w Rosie over Shelly to name it a harder choice. But We get the analogy . Lol

Like saying which time your wife cheated on you was worse
RE: Shurmur took a bullet for this team.  
Reale01 : 5/10/2020 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14900120 idinkido said:
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He had the worse coaching staff in the league, plus Gentlemen stripped this team of almost all its talent, and yet Shurmur never lost his team. Shurmur also took a rookie QB, gave him the support and offensive system he needed to have a really successful start to his career. Giant fans owe a lot to Shurmur, he was sacrificed to make this team better, and yet Shurmur never badmouthed the Giants organization and the Giant fans.


I agree with this. Shurmur took a team that was in free fall and turned it into a team. They were not a good team, but they were a team.
McAdoo  
JoeyBigBlue : 5/10/2020 10:44 pm : link
Made the playoffs on the strength of the defense in 2016. The high priced FA (Jenkins, Vernon, and Harrison) all played well plus Collins and DRC had really great seasons. Even Eli Apple was good as the 3rd corner (before he had his family issues).

McAdoo’s offenses were awful. Opponents consistent stated they knew what the Giants were running just by the formation. The team struggled mightily to score even 20 points. I don’t think they ever scored 30 under McAdoo.

Add that to his handling of Eli, and losing the team, and the guy is the worse coach in Giants history.

Shurmur has no excuse  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/11/2020 12:52 am : link
...he had way more experience including as an NFL head coach, and yet he made rookie, boneheaded mistakes over and over again.

His teams were consistently unprepared. He was not focused on what was actually happening on the field. The staff he hired was atrocious.

Based on his prior experience, he is BY FAR the worse head coach in my opinion.
McAdoo should be compared to Handley  
Ron from Ninerland : 5/11/2020 1:08 am : link
not Shurmur.
Horrible question  
Sec 103 : 5/11/2020 7:30 am : link
next
Shurmur  
Beer Man : 5/11/2020 7:53 am : link
Mac lost the locker room, Shurmur was given shit to work with.
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