during that season, then no wonder they did well. because you have been VERY hopeful, during the ongoing disaster that you were 3yrs late to see unfolding.
its just very strange that you have made a thread about 2 coaches... now about defending a different coach.
i just want it to be clear again-- you have now made McAdoo take zero credit for the 2016 defense and game management and 11 wins--- take all blame for the 2016 offense (which was conservative by design). and take zero credit for 2014 and 2015 offenses. and likely he is responsible for the debacle of 2017 all by himself.
Maybe it’s just because Shurmur was here more recently and I have blocked out some of the bad McAdoo days but I think if I had to choose I’d take McAdoo back. Shurmur was better as the face of the organization for sure but he was hopelessly lost and overmatched as a coach. I just never felt like he had any handle on the game.
Obviously the league in general thinks more of Shurmur, he got another OC job pretty easily. I don’t think either ever should or will lead a team again. McAdoo somehow managed to go 11-5 one season, Shurmur only won 9 games in two years.
Hope to god that Judge is another Harbaugh or Tomlin type and is here for 20 years. The Giants need a real leader.
Eli, Jennings and Vareen went downhill. Add in a OL that was getting beat more than it’s fair share and that’s how the offensive rankings dropped precipitously.
Coaching change...yeah it probably didn’t help but it didn’t cause it.
surprised when 2016 is talked about that it is rarely pointed out that the Giants were top 5 in health that year. I believe they were #3. It has been the only time since 2000 that they were even in the Top 10.
2014 and 2015 the Giants were in the bottom 5 of the league. In 2017 they were in the Bottom 5 and in 2018, they were in the Bottom 10.
The outlier in there is 2016. And I don't know what Coughlin would have done, but he and Little Bill are the only coaches to win Super Bowls in the past 20 years with teams in the bottom 10 in health. I'd have to check, but they might be the only teams to win titles in the bottom half.
Did anybody not expect to lose in Green Bay after we had gone six consecutive weeks without scoring 20 points?
There were posts about it on BBI.
its just very strange that you have made a thread about 2 coaches... now about defending a different coach.
i just want it to be clear again-- you have now made McAdoo take zero credit for the 2016 defense and game management and 11 wins--- take all blame for the 2016 offense (which was conservative by design). and take zero credit for 2014 and 2015 offenses. and likely he is responsible for the debacle of 2017 all by himself.
You think that's attributed to McAdoo's conservative by design playcalling?
And if so, gee, it sure was nice for him to have the 2nd ranked defense to do that!
Obviously the league in general thinks more of Shurmur, he got another OC job pretty easily. I don’t think either ever should or will lead a team again. McAdoo somehow managed to go 11-5 one season, Shurmur only won 9 games in two years.
Hope to god that Judge is another Harbaugh or Tomlin type and is here for 20 years. The Giants need a real leader.
Coaching change...yeah it probably didn’t help but it didn’t cause it.
2014 and 2015 the Giants were in the bottom 5 of the league. In 2017 they were in the Bottom 5 and in 2018, they were in the Bottom 10.
The outlier in there is 2016. And I don't know what Coughlin would have done, but he and Little Bill are the only coaches to win Super Bowls in the past 20 years with teams in the bottom 10 in health. I'd have to check, but they might be the only teams to win titles in the bottom half.