The absolute best outcome is Baker didn’t do what’s alleged, it’s a kick in his ass to get serious, and without a numbskull like Jenkins “mentoring” him — he has a productive career.
christian, love ya man, and we prolly disagree as much as agree, you're thoughtful, but here I think you're prolly grasping at straws, throw this man a life preserver!!
As is quite often the case, I’m pretty confident I’m wrong about this ^
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Coming up on 24 hours since the arrest warrant for DeAndre Baker was announced and he has not yet turned himself in. Tania Rues of the Miramar PD tells me there has been communicaton with his attorney and "negotiations are taking place."
I’m obviously not a lawyer, but what does this all mean? Is Baker’s lawyer “negotiating” to not have him arrested? Is he negotiating bail, negotiating so he doesn’t have to turn himself in? What is being negotiated I just don’t get it? Also apparently Dunbar had sworn affidavits that he wasn’t involved from witnesses?
At what point will the police go to get him if he does not turn himself in? "It's a case by case basis... That's not something we disclose because we're not going to educate individuals who have arrest warrants on what our procedure will be."
But again, Rues says there has been contact with Baker's attorney and there are "negotiations taking place."
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Just spoke with Seahawks CB Quinton Dunbar's attorney, Michael Grieco, who says he has sworn affidavits from 5 witnesses that say Dunbar was not involved in the alleged armed robbery this week. Grieco says Miramar PD is still insisting that Dunbar turn himself in. More coming:
As for Tony Pauline's "dumb as dirt" line, Pauline's been known to be creative with his alleged sources. I would not trust that anyone associated with the Giants actually made that comment.
As has been mentioned, Baker had a 22 Wonderlic score. Not Einstein but not dirt either.
When I commented did my comment part not show up? What does “negotiating” mean in regards to the attorneys? Are they negotiating Baker turning himself in, bail? Dunbar has sworn affidavits from witnesses that he wasn’t involved...
When I commented did my comment part not show up? What does “negotiating” mean in regards to the attorneys? Are they negotiating Baker turning himself in, bail? Dunbar has sworn affidavits from witnesses that he wasn’t involved...
Probably bail amount
The problem with this franchise and certainly DG is the poster boy
for this is that they are stuck in the past and wouldn't understand what good culture was if it hit them in the face.
I said this from the moment DG joined the team and it is even more obvious today he may be the smartest guy in the room but that isn't as much of an asset today as it was even 10 years ago. The best decisions come from information platforms, decision making systems, cultures of innovation where new ideas are fostered.
Talk about being excited about Judge all you want but if you asked BB to build the systems he uses in New England fresh he'd probably have no idea, because he's a football guy, not a guy who hires software developers, builds complex value models or understands the talents and capabilities to do that. Judge is carrying what is clearly dead weight here and BB is lifted by someone like Ernie Adams and Kraft. From Ernie Adams wikipedia page
"Belichick got his next head coaching opportunity with the Patriots in 2000. This time, Adams joined the team not as a coach, but as "Football Research Director." Adams fills a variety of roles for the team. On gamedays, he assists the coaching staff from the press box, advising Belichick on which plays to issue a replay challenge.[1] He also assists the scouting department in preparing for the NFL Draft in the spring, and builds the team's player value chart for the draft.[1] Finally, Adams works on special assignments for the coaching and scouting staffs, which typically involve breaking down game tape.[1] In 2007, as part of Spygate, it was revealed that Adams received tapes from a "third camera" that recorded opponents' defensive signals from a location on the sideline, in violation of a league memo issued by commissioner Roger Goodell."
The Pats have an entrenched director of research who by all accounts is amazing at what he does so amazing that his boss Kraft was able to start a company no doubt derived from some of the models he build. It can't be stressed enough the value of doing something like building the draft value chart in a mathematical way. The Pats did take Aaron Hernandez in the 4th round no doubt with an appropriate risk weighting in a mathematical calculation. Ernie Adams had started his own investment firm before working for the Pats and coached in the NFL. We think a guy that had a few years of consulting experience should be put in an equivalent role leading our analysis efforts and we've seen the results.
In complex numbers games with limited resources math is your friend, we put a guy in charge that bucks the math and types on fake computers at people who have the audacity to suggest more math might be helpful.
And that's really the larger problem. The Giants, Gettleman, think they are smarter than everyone else and know things other teams don't. I'm of the belief that everyone has different perspectives and can add value and proper systems accumulate and distribute knowledge. The Giants as an organization are over confident and overconfidence makes you prone to errors.
The Giants brass seems to like authority and their big "culture" purge was clearly against anyone speaking out but sometimes people just tell you what you want to hear. The Pats authority is respected not because BB is willing to cut ties with anyone, it's that top to bottom the decisions of the team are respected. Our GM being a laughing stock in public. Our team being lost for years. You can bring someone in to threaten players for not showing up sure but until you show competence it doesn't matter how authoritative you are. DG isn't respected by a lot of the media, a lot of the fan base, the owners and franchise are losing respect. THAT is the real problem not some threat of being cut, because there is zero Giants pride at this point.
The sum of our decisions from the top have added up to the same bad results on the field for a long time now, and we have made no changes at the top, none. DG was as far from a change as could be and it's showing right now. Judge can only do so much, no one should forget that BB the most talented coach of our time failed in his first stint. With different structures in place, owners, research etc. he was able to succeed.
Can anyone make a remotely good case that we have the right structures in place right now?
I hope Judge is a miracle worker but it's disappointing to see stain after stain on this franchise and the same people in charge. I don't know how the defenders of these people find the energy but bully to them.
Why would anyone pick in the first round a player with BAD WORK Ethics or HABITS.
First round? How about first overall.You remember a guy named Jadaveon Clowney?
That was a head scratcher for me. Leading up to the draft everyone was predicting him #1 and I'm thinking, "No, that can't be, how could you use the first overall pick and give a kid that kind of money whose excuse for a bad year was that he was guarding against injury?"
There are three reasons for a prospect with "generational" talent having an unproductive final year in college: 1) He's not as good as his talent suggests he should be; 2) Lack of effort; 3) He was playing through an injury. Reason #3 is the only acceptable reason and even then it would give me pause when it comes to the first overall pick. But I digress.
As I pointed out in an earlier comment, Reuben Foster is an even more glaring example of a team gambling and losing when they traded up into the bottom of the 1st round for a prospect with a top 10-15 grade but red flags attached. The Niners rebounded pretty well from that mistake.
My take on it is similar to what others have said (including Sy, I think): Gettleman had so many picks he felt like he was playing with the house money when he traded up. It was a chance to get the #1 CB on their board with the 5th year option included. I think if the Giants were without all the additional picks, he doesn't make that move.
I'm not saying Gettleman doesn't deserve criticism, but the stars were aligned perfectly for taking the kind of gamble he did. Sometimes these gambles pay off in a big way. It was a gamble when Miami took Tunsil. It was a gamble when the Bucs took Warren Sapp. It was a gamble when the Vikings took Randy Moss. All three of those guys fell because of red flags. Those are first round gambles on greatness that paid off. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes the blues get a hold of you... It's gonna be a sweet season! - ( New Window )
Am I right in thinking that the only 1st round pick made by Reese to sign a second contract with the Giants without going to another team first was JPP.
If this turns out to be true this is an organizational failure.
There must have been no real homework done on this pick. The guy has a bad attitude from day one where he doesn't need to pay attention during practice. Now he is involved with this? Either they have no connections or they didn't do any investigation. That doesn't even get into his play on the field.
the only way the people at the top will change is if they sell the team- not happening, so it might be time to root elsewhere. Taking a chance on Baker was not the problem. Using 3 draft choices to get him was. If he fell to 38 and they took him and this happened, those are the breaks. Guys bust for a variety of reasons. NO ONE could see this coming. Anyone who thinks they would have drafted this guy at all if they thought this might happen is crazy.
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Just spoke with Seahawks CB Quinton Dunbar's attorney, Michael Grieco, who says he has sworn affidavits from 5 witnesses that say Dunbar was not involved in the alleged armed robbery this week. Grieco says Miramar PD is still insisting that Dunbar turn himself in. More coming:
If Dunbar wasn't involved lets hope the same holds true for Baker. I mean, I am just blown away that someone could be this stupid? He is a rich young man why would he steal watches?
Am I right in thinking that the only 1st round pick made by Reese to sign a second contract with the Giants without going to another team first was JPP.
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Just spoke with Seahawks CB Quinton Dunbar's attorney, Michael Grieco, who says he has sworn affidavits from 5 witnesses that say Dunbar was not involved in the alleged armed robbery this week. Grieco says Miramar PD is still insisting that Dunbar turn himself in. More coming:
If Dunbar wasn't involved lets hope the same holds true for Baker. I mean, I am just blown away that someone could be this stupid? He is a rich young man why would he steal watches?
The whole thing seems off. Let’s hope this is all fake.
Every time anything happens to Giants, DG is bad mouthed by too many
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Just spoke with Seahawks CB Quinton Dunbar's attorney, Michael Grieco, who says he has sworn affidavits from 5 witnesses that say Dunbar was not involved in the alleged armed robbery this week. Grieco says Miramar PD is still insisting that Dunbar turn himself in. More coming:
If Dunbar wasn't involved lets hope the same holds true for Baker. I mean, I am just blown away that someone could be this stupid? He is a rich young man why would he steal watches?
The whole thing seems off. Let’s hope this is all fake.
Maybe Baker and Dunbar were using water guns?
RE: Every time anything happens to Giants, DG is bad mouthed by too many
and owners getting wise. People talk about John Lynch all the time in reference to DG and it’s non sensical. Lynch was a young fresh face with new ideas.
But as I’ve pointed out even a CTO or a director of research with the proper qualifications and power in the organization, someone with a relevant title on the senior staff that isn’t referred to as a “computer guy.” Someone with more respect than that, preview of something relevant to a refined mathematical approach like building a draft value board.
If I could choose to care about the Giants or not I wouldn’t torcher myself like this. I’ve actually watched more games than I should have in person the last few seasons of this “team.” There isn’t enough ink in the world to expound on this disaster of a franchise and maybe just maybe enough people will get tired enough of it to do something real about it
and she thinks he's negotiating what he will plead to and bail money. Stay tuned.
Ok, but why would the authorities need to negotiate anything? Why is this somehow negotiable? Just go pick his ass up. If he has a warrant out and his attorney knows where he is, he should be charged with obstruction, not allowed to negotiate.
I was a criminal prosecutor for my first lawyer job
I don’t think defendants can negotiate bail. The prosecutors office doesn’t even set bail, a judge does.
I would guess they are negotiating how and where he can turn himself in to avoid the media. And then where he will be held and how quickly he can be arraigned for bail to be set so he can pay it and be released.
Also, like Dunbar’s attorney,
Bakers lawyer can be advocating and providing what evidence he can to have the charges reduced.
Though generally people are charged with the highest count and it is reduced later after more investigation.
I was a criminal prosecutor for my first lawyer job
I don’t think defendants can negotiate bail. The prosecutors office doesn’t even set bail, a judge does.
I would guess they are negotiating how and where he can turn himself in to avoid the media. And then where he will be held and how quickly he can be arraigned for bail to be set so he can pay it and be released.
Also, like Dunbar’s attorney,
Bakers lawyer can be advocating and providing what evidence he can to have the charges reduced.
Though generally people are charged with the highest count and it is reduced later after more investigation.
The fucking King of Analytics uses this example to say we don't have a guy "with the proper qualifications" that has led to a string of bad decisions, including picking Baker.
Are you really insinuating that this incident is a result of not having the proper models for draft strategy?
and she thinks he's negotiating what he will plead to and bail money. Stay tuned.
Ok, but why would the authorities need to negotiate anything? Why is this somehow negotiable? Just go pick his ass up. If he has a warrant out and his attorney knows where he is, he should be charged with obstruction, not allowed to negotiate.
Because they rather not break out the swat team?
Seems like a reasonable course of action to me.
these red flags of Baker are being wildly exaggerated. If he was so widely thought of as a problem, why wasn't he on the article of the top 10 players with red flags that I linked earlier?
You'd swear this was Lawrence Phillips here.
RE: Deandre Baker's lawyer just posted on Instagram, disputing the charges
"We have had affidavits from several witnesses that also dispute the allegations and exculpate our client. Our investigator has had them for some time."
Interesting how he says they've had these affidavits for "some time"
and she thinks he's negotiating what he will plead to and bail money. Stay tuned.
Ok, but why would the authorities need to negotiate anything? Why is this somehow negotiable? Just go pick his ass up. If he has a warrant out and his attorney knows where he is, he should be charged with obstruction, not allowed to negotiate.
Because they rather not break out the swat team?
Seems like a reasonable course of action to me.
Break out the SWAT team? You cannot be serious. You think they break out the SWAT team on every arrest warrant? Ludicrous thinking.
and she thinks he's negotiating what he will plead to and bail money. Stay tuned.
Ok, but why would the authorities need to negotiate anything? Why is this somehow negotiable? Just go pick his ass up. If he has a warrant out and his attorney knows where he is, he should be charged with obstruction, not allowed to negotiate.
Because they rather not break out the swat team?
Seems like a reasonable course of action to me.
Break out the SWAT team? You cannot be serious. You think they break out the SWAT team on every arrest warrant? Ludicrous thinking.
Swat team is an exaggeration, but when they want to arrest someone who doesn’t want to be arrested it’s a pretty serious interaction.
Bradford Cohen, the attorney for #Giants CB DeAndre Baker, released a statement on Instagram (
@lawronin
). In the statement, he claims several witnesses dispute the allegations and calls his client “innocent of any charges.” https://instagram.com/p/CAOtKmslJg5/?igshid=culrcjl9w85k…
due to it being bogus and gets his head on straight/ends up being a good player for us. Probably WON’T happen, but still.
Even if he gets out of this, I've got to believe Joe Judge is thinking Baker is a cancer on the culture I"m trying to instil. Not just from this, but from his falling asleep in meetings, from not wanting to learn stuff, from thinking his natural talent will get him by at NFL level. I'd want him gone.
RE: Would be hilarious if he ends up getting out of this
due to it being bogus and gets his head on straight/ends up being a good player for us. Probably WON’T happen, but still.
For skipping team Zoom meetings all week alone, Baker was already demonstrating a lack of commitment and a level of immaturity that typically precludes success in the NFL.
Even without brandishing a firearm to commit armed robbery at an illegal poker game during an ill-advised social gathering set against the backdrop of stay-at-home pandemic advisories, Baker was well on his way to making Eli Apple look like a dedicated professional by comparison.
The hilarious part is the extent to which some fans will contort themselves to avoid being critical of anything this franchise does.
Sunday who had their stupid fucking mind made up with no understanding, research or rational who wanted him cut, in jail, beaten, and all the stupid fucking posts I had to read about this when charges hadn't even been pressed yet and how Gettlemen is a failure and needs to be fired....blah blah blah
you need to reassess the way you perceive things and pass judgement
Sunday who had their stupid fucking mind made up with no understanding, research or rational who wanted him cut, in jail, beaten, and all the stupid fucking posts I had to read about this when charges hadn't even been pressed yet and how Gettlemen is a failure and needs to be fired....blah blah blah
you need to reassess the way you perceive things and pass judgement
so please... just shut the fuck up
All the posts you had to read? You could have read none of them.
Fuck off.
RE: RE: seriously all the fuck tards on this thread
Sunday who had their stupid fucking mind made up with no understanding, research or rational who wanted him cut, in jail, beaten, and all the stupid fucking posts I had to read about this when charges hadn't even been pressed yet and how Gettlemen is a failure and needs to be fired....blah blah blah
you need to reassess the way you perceive things and pass judgement
so please... just shut the fuck up
All the posts you had to read? You could have read none of them.
Fuck off.
I read them for fun, it’s interesting watching ignorant people show their true colors with words like “thug.” Sad actually but definitely a few good laughs along the way as well.
Sunday who had their stupid fucking mind made up with no understanding, research or rational who wanted him cut, in jail, beaten, and all the stupid fucking posts I had to read about this when charges hadn't even been pressed yet and how Gettlemen is a failure and needs to be fired....blah blah blah
you need to reassess the way you perceive things and pass judgement
so please... just shut the fuck up
I'm sorry this happened to you.
In light of this unfortunate, yet still egregious lack of restraint on the part of so many posters, myself included, perhaps Eric will update BBI's Code of Conduct so you're not forced to read anything that might upset your clearly delicate sensibilities.
In fact, I propose that each new thread must include a disclaimer in the title specifically stating that you do not have to read it.
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The absolute best outcome is Baker didn’t do what’s alleged, it’s a kick in his ass to get serious, and without a numbskull like Jenkins “mentoring” him — he has a productive career.
christian, love ya man, and we prolly disagree as much as agree, you're thoughtful, but here I think you're prolly grasping at straws, throw this man a life preserver!!
As is quite often the case, I’m pretty confident I’m wrong about this ^
But .. hope for the best?
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Coming up on 24 hours since the arrest warrant for DeAndre Baker was announced and he has not yet turned himself in. Tania Rues of the Miramar PD tells me there has been communicaton with his attorney and "negotiations are taking place."
I’m obviously not a lawyer, but what does this all mean? Is Baker’s lawyer “negotiating” to not have him arrested? Is he negotiating bail, negotiating so he doesn’t have to turn himself in? What is being negotiated I just don’t get it? Also apparently Dunbar had sworn affidavits that he wasn’t involved from witnesses?
At what point will the police go to get him if he does not turn himself in? "It's a case by case basis... That's not something we disclose because we're not going to educate individuals who have arrest warrants on what our procedure will be."
But again, Rues says there has been contact with Baker's attorney and there are "negotiations taking place."
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Which is nice, as Bill Murray might say.
We'll see who Baker gets.
As for Tony Pauline's "dumb as dirt" line, Pauline's been known to be creative with his alleged sources. I would not trust that anyone associated with the Giants actually made that comment.
As has been mentioned, Baker had a 22 Wonderlic score. Not Einstein but not dirt either.
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Probably bail amount
I said this from the moment DG joined the team and it is even more obvious today he may be the smartest guy in the room but that isn't as much of an asset today as it was even 10 years ago. The best decisions come from information platforms, decision making systems, cultures of innovation where new ideas are fostered.
Talk about being excited about Judge all you want but if you asked BB to build the systems he uses in New England fresh he'd probably have no idea, because he's a football guy, not a guy who hires software developers, builds complex value models or understands the talents and capabilities to do that. Judge is carrying what is clearly dead weight here and BB is lifted by someone like Ernie Adams and Kraft. From Ernie Adams wikipedia page
"Belichick got his next head coaching opportunity with the Patriots in 2000. This time, Adams joined the team not as a coach, but as "Football Research Director." Adams fills a variety of roles for the team. On gamedays, he assists the coaching staff from the press box, advising Belichick on which plays to issue a replay challenge.[1] He also assists the scouting department in preparing for the NFL Draft in the spring, and builds the team's player value chart for the draft.[1] Finally, Adams works on special assignments for the coaching and scouting staffs, which typically involve breaking down game tape.[1] In 2007, as part of Spygate, it was revealed that Adams received tapes from a "third camera" that recorded opponents' defensive signals from a location on the sideline, in violation of a league memo issued by commissioner Roger Goodell."
The Pats have an entrenched director of research who by all accounts is amazing at what he does so amazing that his boss Kraft was able to start a company no doubt derived from some of the models he build. It can't be stressed enough the value of doing something like building the draft value chart in a mathematical way. The Pats did take Aaron Hernandez in the 4th round no doubt with an appropriate risk weighting in a mathematical calculation. Ernie Adams had started his own investment firm before working for the Pats and coached in the NFL. We think a guy that had a few years of consulting experience should be put in an equivalent role leading our analysis efforts and we've seen the results.
In complex numbers games with limited resources math is your friend, we put a guy in charge that bucks the math and types on fake computers at people who have the audacity to suggest more math might be helpful.
And that's really the larger problem. The Giants, Gettleman, think they are smarter than everyone else and know things other teams don't. I'm of the belief that everyone has different perspectives and can add value and proper systems accumulate and distribute knowledge. The Giants as an organization are over confident and overconfidence makes you prone to errors.
The Giants brass seems to like authority and their big "culture" purge was clearly against anyone speaking out but sometimes people just tell you what you want to hear. The Pats authority is respected not because BB is willing to cut ties with anyone, it's that top to bottom the decisions of the team are respected. Our GM being a laughing stock in public. Our team being lost for years. You can bring someone in to threaten players for not showing up sure but until you show competence it doesn't matter how authoritative you are. DG isn't respected by a lot of the media, a lot of the fan base, the owners and franchise are losing respect. THAT is the real problem not some threat of being cut, because there is zero Giants pride at this point.
The sum of our decisions from the top have added up to the same bad results on the field for a long time now, and we have made no changes at the top, none. DG was as far from a change as could be and it's showing right now. Judge can only do so much, no one should forget that BB the most talented coach of our time failed in his first stint. With different structures in place, owners, research etc. he was able to succeed.
Can anyone make a remotely good case that we have the right structures in place right now?
I hope Judge is a miracle worker but it's disappointing to see stain after stain on this franchise and the same people in charge. I don't know how the defenders of these people find the energy but bully to them.
First round? How about first overall.You remember a guy named Jadaveon Clowney?
There are three reasons for a prospect with "generational" talent having an unproductive final year in college: 1) He's not as good as his talent suggests he should be; 2) Lack of effort; 3) He was playing through an injury. Reason #3 is the only acceptable reason and even then it would give me pause when it comes to the first overall pick. But I digress.
As I pointed out in an earlier comment, Reuben Foster is an even more glaring example of a team gambling and losing when they traded up into the bottom of the 1st round for a prospect with a top 10-15 grade but red flags attached. The Niners rebounded pretty well from that mistake.
My take on it is similar to what others have said (including Sy, I think): Gettleman had so many picks he felt like he was playing with the house money when he traded up. It was a chance to get the #1 CB on their board with the 5th year option included. I think if the Giants were without all the additional picks, he doesn't make that move.
I'm not saying Gettleman doesn't deserve criticism, but the stars were aligned perfectly for taking the kind of gamble he did. Sometimes these gambles pay off in a big way. It was a gamble when Miami took Tunsil. It was a gamble when the Bucs took Warren Sapp. It was a gamble when the Vikings took Randy Moss. All three of those guys fell because of red flags. Those are first round gambles on greatness that paid off. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes the blues get a hold of you...
It's gonna be a sweet season! - ( New Window )
Hopefully, Judge knows what he is doing.
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If Dunbar wasn't involved lets hope the same holds true for Baker. I mean, I am just blown away that someone could be this stupid? He is a rich young man why would he steal watches?
The whole thing seems off. Let’s hope this is all fake.
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If Dunbar wasn't involved lets hope the same holds true for Baker. I mean, I am just blown away that someone could be this stupid? He is a rich young man why would he steal watches?
The whole thing seems off. Let’s hope this is all fake.
Maybe Baker and Dunbar were using water guns?
But as I’ve pointed out even a CTO or a director of research with the proper qualifications and power in the organization, someone with a relevant title on the senior staff that isn’t referred to as a “computer guy.” Someone with more respect than that, preview of something relevant to a refined mathematical approach like building a draft value board.
If I could choose to care about the Giants or not I wouldn’t torcher myself like this. I’ve actually watched more games than I should have in person the last few seasons of this “team.” There isn’t enough ink in the world to expound on this disaster of a franchise and maybe just maybe enough people will get tired enough of it to do something real about it
Oh of course this is 100% on Gettleman and 0% on Baker. In fact Baker is the victim here. I bet that Gettleman corrupted this poor innocent kid!
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Oh of course this is 100% on Gettleman and 0% on Baker. In fact Baker is the victim here. I bet that Gettleman corrupted this poor innocent kid!
Well he traded up for Baker, do you think it was love or full bloom love?
Do you think he falls for the bad boys because he thinks he can change them? Or does he just like the danger?
Ok, but why would the authorities need to negotiate anything? Why is this somehow negotiable? Just go pick his ass up. If he has a warrant out and his attorney knows where he is, he should be charged with obstruction, not allowed to negotiate.
I would guess they are negotiating how and where he can turn himself in to avoid the media. And then where he will be held and how quickly he can be arraigned for bail to be set so he can pay it and be released.
Also, like Dunbar’s attorney,
Bakers lawyer can be advocating and providing what evidence he can to have the charges reduced.
Though generally people are charged with the highest count and it is reduced later after more investigation.
I would guess they are negotiating how and where he can turn himself in to avoid the media. And then where he will be held and how quickly he can be arraigned for bail to be set so he can pay it and be released.
Also, like Dunbar’s attorney,
Bakers lawyer can be advocating and providing what evidence he can to have the charges reduced.
Though generally people are charged with the highest count and it is reduced later after more investigation.
The fucking King of Analytics uses this example to say we don't have a guy "with the proper qualifications" that has led to a string of bad decisions, including picking Baker.
Are you really insinuating that this incident is a result of not having the proper models for draft strategy?
You really are a fucking peach.
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and she thinks he's negotiating what he will plead to and bail money. Stay tuned.
Ok, but why would the authorities need to negotiate anything? Why is this somehow negotiable? Just go pick his ass up. If he has a warrant out and his attorney knows where he is, he should be charged with obstruction, not allowed to negotiate.
Because they rather not break out the swat team?
Seems like a reasonable course of action to me.
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Oh of course this is 100% on Gettleman and 0% on Baker. In fact Baker is the victim here. I bet that Gettleman corrupted this poor innocent kid!
Well he traded up for Baker, do you think it was love or full bloom love?
Do you think he falls for the bad boys because he thinks he can change them? Or does he just like the danger?
Hey Abacus Charlie,
Can you please list the "bad boys" he falls in love with"?? Barkley? Jones? McCaffery?
Are you really going to post that fucking drivel acting as if Gettleman has taken a lot of risks on problem players.
List them, Data Dan.
Link - ( New Window )
You'd swear this was Lawrence Phillips here.
"We have had affidavits from several witnesses that also dispute the allegations and exculpate our client. Our investigator has had them for some time."
Interesting how he says they've had these affidavits for "some time"
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and she thinks he's negotiating what he will plead to and bail money. Stay tuned.
Ok, but why would the authorities need to negotiate anything? Why is this somehow negotiable? Just go pick his ass up. If he has a warrant out and his attorney knows where he is, he should be charged with obstruction, not allowed to negotiate.
Because they rather not break out the swat team?
Seems like a reasonable course of action to me.
Break out the SWAT team? You cannot be serious. You think they break out the SWAT team on every arrest warrant? Ludicrous thinking.
None of us would know that, but there have been false accusations before and those players have continued to play.
As bizarre as this story is, I have no clue what will happen next
Just making light of the situation obviously, before some people jump all over me.
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and she thinks he's negotiating what he will plead to and bail money. Stay tuned.
Ok, but why would the authorities need to negotiate anything? Why is this somehow negotiable? Just go pick his ass up. If he has a warrant out and his attorney knows where he is, he should be charged with obstruction, not allowed to negotiate.
Because they rather not break out the swat team?
Seems like a reasonable course of action to me.
Break out the SWAT team? You cannot be serious. You think they break out the SWAT team on every arrest warrant? Ludicrous thinking.
Swat team is an exaggeration, but when they want to arrest someone who doesn’t want to be arrested it’s a pretty serious interaction.
@lawronin
). In the statement, he claims several witnesses dispute the allegations and calls his client “innocent of any charges.” https://instagram.com/p/CAOtKmslJg5/?igshid=culrcjl9w85k…
Pitfalls of trading up. Read the fucking post.
Even if he gets out of this, I've got to believe Joe Judge is thinking Baker is a cancer on the culture I"m trying to instil. Not just from this, but from his falling asleep in meetings, from not wanting to learn stuff, from thinking his natural talent will get him by at NFL level. I'd want him gone.
For skipping team Zoom meetings all week alone, Baker was already demonstrating a lack of commitment and a level of immaturity that typically precludes success in the NFL.
Even without brandishing a firearm to commit armed robbery at an illegal poker game during an ill-advised social gathering set against the backdrop of stay-at-home pandemic advisories, Baker was well on his way to making Eli Apple look like a dedicated professional by comparison.
The hilarious part is the extent to which some fans will contort themselves to avoid being critical of anything this franchise does.
😂😂😂😂
you need to reassess the way you perceive things and pass judgement
so please... just shut the fuck up
you need to reassess the way you perceive things and pass judgement
so please... just shut the fuck up
All the posts you had to read? You could have read none of them.
Fuck off.
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Sunday who had their stupid fucking mind made up with no understanding, research or rational who wanted him cut, in jail, beaten, and all the stupid fucking posts I had to read about this when charges hadn't even been pressed yet and how Gettlemen is a failure and needs to be fired....blah blah blah
you need to reassess the way you perceive things and pass judgement
so please... just shut the fuck up
All the posts you had to read? You could have read none of them.
Fuck off.
I read them for fun, it’s interesting watching ignorant people show their true colors with words like “thug.” Sad actually but definitely a few good laughs along the way as well.
you need to reassess the way you perceive things and pass judgement
so please... just shut the fuck up
I'm sorry this happened to you.
In light of this unfortunate, yet still egregious lack of restraint on the part of so many posters, myself included, perhaps Eric will update BBI's Code of Conduct so you're not forced to read anything that might upset your clearly delicate sensibilities.
In fact, I propose that each new thread must include a disclaimer in the title specifically stating that you do not have to read it.
We can call it The Rory Rule.
like dont be a moron. kThanks