DG should get fired for him mis-evaluating the team thinking they could contend his first few years on the job, horrible free agent signings, questionable drafting, and the LW trade.
It's a culmination of things he should be fired for. This is just the icing on the cake.
There's an old story that Napoleon was once considering giving a command to an officer, and Napleon said: "I know he's a good general, but is he lucky?” It's been a couple of years now with Gettleman running the team. He's made some good moves and he's made some bad moves, but I don't see him leading this franchise back to anything more than mediocrity. And this latest disaster, even if it's not his fault, doesn't help that perception. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not optimistic.
the draft oversight is also not just about this crime
the work ethic issues red flag showed during last season and already this offseason he couldn't be bothered to find time to attend the virtual meetings during a fucking lockdown.
so that red flag has proven to be true.
those saying well how could you know he'd pull an armed robbery. you couldn't know that. but there were character red flags as i mentioned and whatever those flags were for has proven to be true
some people mentioned aaron hernandez. he was a 4th round pick not a 1st, which is when you can start to take chances on players with red flags. redskins took shadiq charles in rd 4 this year (a very good college player with serious red flags)
this really sucks. was looking forward to seeing Baker in year 2.
That being said, anyone calling for DG to be 'fired' or blaming DG for this mess needs to take a fucking walk. Last I checked we drafted 9 other players in 2019, a bunch of them look to be the goods. We signed Bradberry. We got some CB help in the draft this year as well.
The thing that sucks the most about this is that Baker might be spending a good amount of time in prison, a kid might have just thrown his life away. But sure, let's talk about Dave Gettleman here.
Hopefully Judge puts to bed the charade that purging the roster of bad actors "fixes" culture problems.
You're not going to construct a group of 60 young, rich, men -- many of whom have lived in a glorifying bubble since middle school -- and not have some assholes or idiots.
Coaching sets the culture, what's tolerated, how guys mature professionally, and what flaws can still be part of the solution.
Hopefully Judge puts to bed the charade that purging the roster of bad actors "fixes" culture problems.
You're not going to construct a group of 60 young, rich, men -- many of whom have lived in a glorifying bubble since middle school -- and not have some assholes or idiots.
Coaching sets the culture, what's tolerated, how guys mature professionally, and what flaws can still be part of the solution.
I hope Judge does indeed bring a better set of disciplines to this franchise, both on and off the field.
Unfortunately for Baker, it will clearly be too late as he just threw away his life.
Has he turned himself in yet?
RE: the draft oversight is also not just about this crime
the work ethic issues red flag showed during last season and already this offseason he couldn't be bothered to find time to attend the virtual meetings during a fucking lockdown.
so that red flag has proven to be true.
those saying well how could you know he'd pull an armed robbery. you couldn't know that. but there were character red flags as i mentioned and whatever those flags were for has proven to be true
some people mentioned aaron hernandez. he was a 4th round pick not a 1st, which is when you can start to take chances on players with red flags. redskins took shadiq charles in rd 4 this year (a very good college player with serious red flags)
You just described half of the people trying to come into the league. Some work out, some don't. And it wasn't like he sucked at Georgia. He was our 3rd pick in the 1st round. We lost a 4th and a 5th to take a flyer on him. Hardly a fireable offense by a GM.
Police report says two days earlier DB lost $70k gambling. Yesterday’s armed robbery happened at another gambling party, where he “flipped a card table”.
Motive must be either revenge against a cheater, or a loser’s sour grapes.
The fact that he was our third pick in the first round
I hope Judge does indeed bring a better set of disciplines to this franchise, both on and off the field.
Unfortunately for Baker, it will clearly be too late as he just threw away his life.
Has he turned himself in yet?
Sounds like authorities have been in contact with his attorney.
A great football coach can be a virtuous cycle for a team. Strong leadershop builds stronger men, who are in turn better football players, and understand the value of being better men.
Some coaches have that. Coughlin had it.
Of all the dopes on those Giants teams, only Shockey and Barber couldn't cut it. Strahan, Toomer, Boley, Burress, etc. all were able to be coached.
I was hoping he was going to be a lock-down corner for the next decade
Not a locked-up corner for the next 10 to life. Thought Judge and the Georgia connection, along with better overall coaching could do wonders for this kid.
The reports stink, and so do the witness statements. Just from subjective intuition, I don’t think the reports lay out facts that are completely irrefutable.
It’s notable to me that everyone most likely knew each other, and everyone says Dunbar was unarmed. Except the guy who said Dunbar pointed a gun at him. And the PC on Dunbar says they couldn’t conclude he had a gun, but his arrest warrant says he’s got a semi auto firearm. Seems like people were not witnessing on Dunbar like they did on Baker, “Shy,” the red masked man, etc.
And the cars “pre-positioned” for an “expedited getaway” bothers me. Two people claim this, based on conjecture. I always pre-position my car for an expedited getaway. It’s called parking. They allegedly ran out the back door of the house. Were the cars there? Why doesn’t anyone say how the cars were positioned other than as a stand in to demonstrate pre-meditation? Baker and “Shy” flipping the card table together, however, is pretty telling.
Just the Devil’s Advocate in me. Nobody is not clear that Baker was armed and directing traffic. He’s probably guilty. But the story is not known and we should wait.
Not sure if this was mentioned, but part of the trade for Baker included the 4th rounder acquired from New Orleans in the Eli Apple trade.
Doesn’t excuse the fact that he is still a first round pick.
And I think you’re forgetting that we also had to use second round pick to move up.
But Even if we just took him with her second round pick, it’s still a bad pick.
I didn't forget. 2nd rounder was a trade for the 1st. We gave up the 4th and 5th. Please show me articles where draft analysts called it out as a bad pick. If there were any, it sure wasn't very many. On top of that, the viewpoint was that though he struggled earlier he seemed to settle down towards the end of the year and most people were looking for an uptick in performance. It was only a "bad" pick in hindsight, and to further a few people's "BURN Gettleman!!" agenda.
I was hoping he was going to be a lock-down corner for the next decade
Not a locked-up corner for the next 10 to life. Thought Judge and the Georgia connection, along with better overall coaching could do wonders for this kid.
The reports stink, and so do the witness statements. Just from subjective intuition, I don’t think the reports lay out facts that are completely irrefutable.
It’s notable to me that everyone most likely knew each other, and everyone says Dunbar was unarmed. Except the guy who said Dunbar pointed a gun at him. And the PC on Dunbar says they couldn’t conclude he had a gun, but his arrest warrant says he’s got a semi auto firearm. Seems like people were not witnessing on Dunbar like they did on Baker, “Shy,” the red masked man, etc.
And the cars “pre-positioned” for an “expedited getaway” bothers me. Two people claim this, based on conjecture. I always pre-position my car for an expedited getaway. It’s called parking. They allegedly ran out the back door of the house. Were the cars there? Why doesn’t anyone say how the cars were positioned other than as a stand in to demonstrate pre-meditation? Baker and “Shy” flipping the card table together, however, is pretty telling.
Just the Devil’s Advocate in me. Nobody is not clear that Baker was armed and directing traffic. He’s probably guilty. But the story is not known and we should wait.
Not sure if this was mentioned, but part of the trade for Baker included the 4th rounder acquired from New Orleans in the Eli Apple trade.
was a horrible decision and what’s infuriating about it is the 2 CBs that went right after him. I hope this draft class ends up being a good one but if DG whiffed again I’m ready for NEW blood.
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that interviewed several FL lawyers suggested the delay in turning himself in may be because his lawyer is negotiating bond, as it's not automatic in a case like this.
was a horrible decision and what’s infuriating about it is the 2 CBs that went right after him. I hope this draft class ends up being a good one but if DG whiffed again I’m ready for NEW blood.
Horrible decision according to who? You?
RE: RE: the draft oversight is also not just about this crime
the work ethic issues red flag showed during last season and already this offseason he couldn't be bothered to find time to attend the virtual meetings during a fucking lockdown.
so that red flag has proven to be true.
those saying well how could you know he'd pull an armed robbery. you couldn't know that. but there were character red flags as i mentioned and whatever those flags were for has proven to be true
some people mentioned aaron hernandez. he was a 4th round pick not a 1st, which is when you can start to take chances on players with red flags. redskins took shadiq charles in rd 4 this year (a very good college player with serious red flags)
You just described half of the people trying to come into the league. Some work out, some don't. And it wasn't like he sucked at Georgia. He was our 3rd pick in the 1st round. We lost a 4th and a 5th to take a flyer on him. Hardly a fireable offense by a GM.
no i did not. and they didn't take a fucking flyer on him. they drafted him in the first fucking round. trading a high 2, 4, and 5 to get him. this isn't hard to understand
RE: RE: The fact that he was our third pick in the first round
Doesn’t excuse the fact that he is still a first round pick.
And I think you’re forgetting that we also had to use second round pick to move up.
But Even if we just took him with her second round pick, it’s still a bad pick.
I didn't forget. 2nd rounder was a trade for the 1st. We gave up the 4th and 5th. Please show me articles where draft analysts called it out as a bad pick. If there were any, it sure wasn't very many. On top of that, the viewpoint was that though he struggled earlier he seemed to settle down towards the end of the year and most people were looking for an uptick in performance. It was only a "bad" pick in hindsight, and to further a few people's "BURN Gettleman!!" agenda.
wrong. those people who knew about his flags called it a questionable pick at the time. it WASN'T hindsight
Police report says two days earlier DB lost $70k gambling. Yesterday’s armed robbery happened at another gambling party, where he “flipped a card table”.
Motive must be either revenge against a cheater, or a loser’s sour grapes.
You gots to know when to holdem ... know when to foldem ... know when to walks away, know when to run ... you never counts your watches when you’re sitting at the table, they’ll be time enough for counting when the trials done.
Doesn’t excuse the fact that he is still a first round pick.
And I think you’re forgetting that we also had to use second round pick to move up.
But Even if we just took him with her second round pick, it’s still a bad pick.
I didn't forget. 2nd rounder was a trade for the 1st. We gave up the 4th and 5th. Please show me articles where draft analysts called it out as a bad pick. If there were any, it sure wasn't very many. On top of that, the viewpoint was that though he struggled earlier he seemed to settle down towards the end of the year and most people were looking for an uptick in performance. It was only a "bad" pick in hindsight, and to further a few people's "BURN Gettleman!!" agenda.
wrong. those people who knew about his flags called it a questionable pick at the time. it WASN'T hindsight
And who are these people other than a few armchair GMs on a message board that happened to make their broken clock analysis? Other than Sy, I don't remember anyone of note calling this (even remotely) a bad pick. And we didn't give up a 2nd. We traded it for a higher pick. We gave up a 4th and a 5th.
A team meeting cause you were out late at a strip club and are hung over.
It’s another thing to be pulling out a semi automatic pistol and robbing people. No way is this on Gettleman. Just like it’s not on BB in the Aaron Hernandez case. You can’t predict major crimes like this - if this is true it’s 100% on baker for doing this.
in saying they traded a high 2nd rounder is disingenuous.
Did they get a low 1st rounder AND Baker in return?
Huh, how is that bias. That’s a fact
They got either a low first round pick or baker in return, however you want to look at it.
What?? You have people saying they traded three draft picks for Baker. That they traded a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th.
The 1st and the 2nd round picks are swaps! they only lost a 4th and a 5th. You even have a couple people earlier saying it was a 3rd and a 5th.
If someonecan't wrap their head around the fact that the Giants only traded away 2 picks to draft Baker, then I don't expect them to understand that you can't actually exrapolate work ethic issues to ROBBING PEOPLE AT GUNPOINT
This situation really shines a light on the dumbasses out there
I love it when people count the 2nd round pick as part of the trade to move up in the late 1st. Of course they used the 2, they moved UP from that spot to take the player earlier.
So it was a 4 and a 5. As stated previously, they had multiple 4th and 5th picks in that draft, that they used on Love and Connelly. So, you can criticize Gettleman for dealing those extra 4th and 5th picks away to move up, but, we still had picks in those rounds.
The argument to be made is well, should have just stayed put in round 2 and keep the extra picks. That's a certainly fair argument.
I love it when people count the 2nd round pick as part of the trade to move up in the late 1st. Of course they used the 2, they moved UP from that spot to take the player earlier.
So it was a 4 and a 5. As stated previously, they had multiple 4th and 5th picks in that draft, that they used on Love and Connelly. So, you can criticize Gettleman for dealing those extra 4th and 5th picks away to move up, but, we still had picks in those rounds.
The argument to be made is well, should have just stayed put in round 2 and keep the extra picks. That's a certainly fair argument.
(1) The Giants traded three draft picks to get Baker.
(2) The net loss in draft picks from the trade was two, a fourth and a fifth.
DG is absolutely not to blame for what happened. But there were enough attitude concerns to preclude trading up for Baker, especially since he was a first round pick.
was a horrible decision and what’s infuriating about it is the 2 CBs that went right after him. I hope this draft class ends up being a good one but if DG whiffed again I’m ready for NEW blood.
Horrible decision according to who? You?
The kid is going to be facing 10 years in prison or more, after playing one mediocre season in the NFL.
Are you saying it was a good decision to trade up for Baker knowing what we know now? Is anyone saying that?
Obviously it's revisionist history because we know Baker has allegedly turned into a dangerous felon, although it doesn't sound like Baker was a clean prospect in terms of character flags (albeit nothing to suggest this).
Is now really the time that you're going to plant your flag into "according to who?"
(1) The Giants traded three draft picks to get Baker.
(2) The net loss in draft picks from the trade was two, a fourth and a fifth.
DG is absolutely not to blame for what happened. But there were enough attitude concerns to preclude trading up for Baker, especially since he was a first round pick.
Please show me the white papers linking reported laziness to criminal activity like ARMED ROBBERY.
It's a culmination of things he should be fired for. This is just the icing on the cake.
Nevertheless, still is disconcerting the number of posters trying to pin this level of egregious behavior on Giants lack of due diligence.
There's an old story that Napoleon was once considering giving a command to an officer, and Napleon said: "I know he's a good general, but is he lucky?” It's been a couple of years now with Gettleman running the team. He's made some good moves and he's made some bad moves, but I don't see him leading this franchise back to anything more than mediocrity. And this latest disaster, even if it's not his fault, doesn't help that perception. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not optimistic.
so that red flag has proven to be true.
those saying well how could you know he'd pull an armed robbery. you couldn't know that. but there were character red flags as i mentioned and whatever those flags were for has proven to be true
some people mentioned aaron hernandez. he was a 4th round pick not a 1st, which is when you can start to take chances on players with red flags. redskins took shadiq charles in rd 4 this year (a very good college player with serious red flags)
We took Jones and Lawrence before Baker. Having a guy drafted at 30th overall being a bust is not a franchise killer.
And for completely SUCKING as a beat reporter.
He is the worst and should have been fired years ago.
That being said, anyone calling for DG to be 'fired' or blaming DG for this mess needs to take a fucking walk. Last I checked we drafted 9 other players in 2019, a bunch of them look to be the goods. We signed Bradberry. We got some CB help in the draft this year as well.
The thing that sucks the most about this is that Baker might be spending a good amount of time in prison, a kid might have just thrown his life away. But sure, let's talk about Dave Gettleman here.
You're not going to construct a group of 60 young, rich, men -- many of whom have lived in a glorifying bubble since middle school -- and not have some assholes or idiots.
Coaching sets the culture, what's tolerated, how guys mature professionally, and what flaws can still be part of the solution.
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In 5 years (Flowers/Apple/Baker) is just a killer for any franchise let alone one trying to bridge the talent gap with winning teams.
We took Jones and Lawrence before Baker. Having a guy drafted at 30th overall being a bust is not a franchise killer.
right, not 1 bust, but like I said, 3 of them makes it a problem, no?
If he can, don't sign him.
You're not going to construct a group of 60 young, rich, men -- many of whom have lived in a glorifying bubble since middle school -- and not have some assholes or idiots.
Coaching sets the culture, what's tolerated, how guys mature professionally, and what flaws can still be part of the solution.
I hope Judge does indeed bring a better set of disciplines to this franchise, both on and off the field.
Unfortunately for Baker, it will clearly be too late as he just threw away his life.
Has he turned himself in yet?
so that red flag has proven to be true.
those saying well how could you know he'd pull an armed robbery. you couldn't know that. but there were character red flags as i mentioned and whatever those flags were for has proven to be true
some people mentioned aaron hernandez. he was a 4th round pick not a 1st, which is when you can start to take chances on players with red flags. redskins took shadiq charles in rd 4 this year (a very good college player with serious red flags)
You just described half of the people trying to come into the league. Some work out, some don't. And it wasn't like he sucked at Georgia. He was our 3rd pick in the 1st round. We lost a 4th and a 5th to take a flyer on him. Hardly a fireable offense by a GM.
Motive must be either revenge against a cheater, or a loser’s sour grapes.
And I think you’re forgetting that we also had to use second round pick to move up.
But Even if we just took him with her second round pick, it’s still a bad pick.
Unfortunately for Baker, it will clearly be too late as he just threw away his life.
Has he turned himself in yet?
Sounds like authorities have been in contact with his attorney.
A great football coach can be a virtuous cycle for a team. Strong leadershop builds stronger men, who are in turn better football players, and understand the value of being better men.
Some coaches have that. Coughlin had it.
Of all the dopes on those Giants teams, only Shockey and Barber couldn't cut it. Strahan, Toomer, Boley, Burress, etc. all were able to be coached.
The reports stink, and so do the witness statements. Just from subjective intuition, I don’t think the reports lay out facts that are completely irrefutable.
It’s notable to me that everyone most likely knew each other, and everyone says Dunbar was unarmed. Except the guy who said Dunbar pointed a gun at him. And the PC on Dunbar says they couldn’t conclude he had a gun, but his arrest warrant says he’s got a semi auto firearm. Seems like people were not witnessing on Dunbar like they did on Baker, “Shy,” the red masked man, etc.
And the cars “pre-positioned” for an “expedited getaway” bothers me. Two people claim this, based on conjecture. I always pre-position my car for an expedited getaway. It’s called parking. They allegedly ran out the back door of the house. Were the cars there? Why doesn’t anyone say how the cars were positioned other than as a stand in to demonstrate pre-meditation? Baker and “Shy” flipping the card table together, however, is pretty telling.
Just the Devil’s Advocate in me. Nobody is not clear that Baker was armed and directing traffic. He’s probably guilty. But the story is not known and we should wait.
Not sure if this was mentioned, but part of the trade for Baker included the 4th rounder acquired from New Orleans in the Eli Apple trade.
Therefore, it’s BBI’s fault.
And I think you’re forgetting that we also had to use second round pick to move up.
But Even if we just took him with her second round pick, it’s still a bad pick.
I didn't forget. 2nd rounder was a trade for the 1st. We gave up the 4th and 5th. Please show me articles where draft analysts called it out as a bad pick. If there were any, it sure wasn't very many. On top of that, the viewpoint was that though he struggled earlier he seemed to settle down towards the end of the year and most people were looking for an uptick in performance. It was only a "bad" pick in hindsight, and to further a few people's "BURN Gettleman!!" agenda.
The reports stink, and so do the witness statements. Just from subjective intuition, I don’t think the reports lay out facts that are completely irrefutable.
It’s notable to me that everyone most likely knew each other, and everyone says Dunbar was unarmed. Except the guy who said Dunbar pointed a gun at him. And the PC on Dunbar says they couldn’t conclude he had a gun, but his arrest warrant says he’s got a semi auto firearm. Seems like people were not witnessing on Dunbar like they did on Baker, “Shy,” the red masked man, etc.
And the cars “pre-positioned” for an “expedited getaway” bothers me. Two people claim this, based on conjecture. I always pre-position my car for an expedited getaway. It’s called parking. They allegedly ran out the back door of the house. Were the cars there? Why doesn’t anyone say how the cars were positioned other than as a stand in to demonstrate pre-meditation? Baker and “Shy” flipping the card table together, however, is pretty telling.
Just the Devil’s Advocate in me. Nobody is not clear that Baker was armed and directing traffic. He’s probably guilty. But the story is not known and we should wait.
Not sure if this was mentioned, but part of the trade for Baker included the 4th rounder acquired from New Orleans in the Eli Apple trade.
Therefore, it’s BBI’s fault.
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Horrible decision according to who? You?
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the work ethic issues red flag showed during last season and already this offseason he couldn't be bothered to find time to attend the virtual meetings during a fucking lockdown.
so that red flag has proven to be true.
those saying well how could you know he'd pull an armed robbery. you couldn't know that. but there were character red flags as i mentioned and whatever those flags were for has proven to be true
some people mentioned aaron hernandez. he was a 4th round pick not a 1st, which is when you can start to take chances on players with red flags. redskins took shadiq charles in rd 4 this year (a very good college player with serious red flags)
You just described half of the people trying to come into the league. Some work out, some don't. And it wasn't like he sucked at Georgia. He was our 3rd pick in the 1st round. We lost a 4th and a 5th to take a flyer on him. Hardly a fireable offense by a GM.
no i did not. and they didn't take a fucking flyer on him. they drafted him in the first fucking round. trading a high 2, 4, and 5 to get him. this isn't hard to understand
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Doesn’t excuse the fact that he is still a first round pick.
And I think you’re forgetting that we also had to use second round pick to move up.
But Even if we just took him with her second round pick, it’s still a bad pick.
I didn't forget. 2nd rounder was a trade for the 1st. We gave up the 4th and 5th. Please show me articles where draft analysts called it out as a bad pick. If there were any, it sure wasn't very many. On top of that, the viewpoint was that though he struggled earlier he seemed to settle down towards the end of the year and most people were looking for an uptick in performance. It was only a "bad" pick in hindsight, and to further a few people's "BURN Gettleman!!" agenda.
wrong. those people who knew about his flags called it a questionable pick at the time. it WASN'T hindsight
If he can, don't sign him.
lol.
Motive must be either revenge against a cheater, or a loser’s sour grapes.
You gots to know when to holdem ... know when to foldem ... know when to walks away, know when to run ... you never counts your watches when you’re sitting at the table, they’ll be time enough for counting when the trials done.
He was coached well enough he was on multiple playoff teams and a Super Bowl winner.
By all accounts he was a nightmare and yet some how Coughlin was largely able to keep a lid on it.
Did they get a low 1st rounder AND Baker in return?
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Doesn’t excuse the fact that he is still a first round pick.
And I think you’re forgetting that we also had to use second round pick to move up.
But Even if we just took him with her second round pick, it’s still a bad pick.
I didn't forget. 2nd rounder was a trade for the 1st. We gave up the 4th and 5th. Please show me articles where draft analysts called it out as a bad pick. If there were any, it sure wasn't very many. On top of that, the viewpoint was that though he struggled earlier he seemed to settle down towards the end of the year and most people were looking for an uptick in performance. It was only a "bad" pick in hindsight, and to further a few people's "BURN Gettleman!!" agenda.
wrong. those people who knew about his flags called it a questionable pick at the time. it WASN'T hindsight
And who are these people other than a few armchair GMs on a message board that happened to make their broken clock analysis? Other than Sy, I don't remember anyone of note calling this (even remotely) a bad pick. And we didn't give up a 2nd. We traded it for a higher pick. We gave up a 4th and a 5th.
It’s another thing to be pulling out a semi automatic pistol and robbing people. No way is this on Gettleman. Just like it’s not on BB in the Aaron Hernandez case. You can’t predict major crimes like this - if this is true it’s 100% on baker for doing this.
Did they get a low 1st rounder AND Baker in return?
Huh, how is that bias. That’s a fact
They got either a low first round pick or baker in return, however you want to look at it.
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in saying they traded a high 2nd rounder is disingenuous.
Did they get a low 1st rounder AND Baker in return?
Huh, how is that bias. That’s a fact
They got either a low first round pick or baker in return, however you want to look at it.
What?? You have people saying they traded three draft picks for Baker. That they traded a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th.
The 1st and the 2nd round picks are swaps! they only lost a 4th and a 5th. You even have a couple people earlier saying it was a 3rd and a 5th.
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in saying they traded a high 2nd rounder is disingenuous.
Did they get a low 1st rounder AND Baker in return?
Huh, how is that bias. That’s a fact
They got either a low first round pick or baker in return, however you want to look at it.
What?? You have people saying they traded three draft picks for Baker. That they traded a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th.
The 1st and the 2nd round picks are swaps! they only lost a 4th and a 5th. You even have a couple people earlier saying it was a 3rd and a 5th.
If someonecan't wrap their head around the fact that the Giants only traded away 2 picks to draft Baker, then I don't expect them to understand that you can't actually exrapolate work ethic issues to ROBBING PEOPLE AT GUNPOINT
This situation really shines a light on the dumbasses out there
I don’t get the objection here.
Does it work better if they say they used three draft picks to get Baker?
Even for you this level of semantics is astonishing.
Even a contrarian should be able to get that right.
What am I missing here?
What am I missing here?
I love it when people count the 2nd round pick as part of the trade to move up in the late 1st. Of course they used the 2, they moved UP from that spot to take the player earlier.
So it was a 4 and a 5. As stated previously, they had multiple 4th and 5th picks in that draft, that they used on Love and Connelly. So, you can criticize Gettleman for dealing those extra 4th and 5th picks away to move up, but, we still had picks in those rounds.
The argument to be made is well, should have just stayed put in round 2 and keep the extra picks. That's a certainly fair argument.
Using "he traded a 2!" is not an argument.
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A 2 a 4 and a 5
What am I missing here?
I love it when people count the 2nd round pick as part of the trade to move up in the late 1st. Of course they used the 2, they moved UP from that spot to take the player earlier.
So it was a 4 and a 5. As stated previously, they had multiple 4th and 5th picks in that draft, that they used on Love and Connelly. So, you can criticize Gettleman for dealing those extra 4th and 5th picks away to move up, but, we still had picks in those rounds.
The argument to be made is well, should have just stayed put in round 2 and keep the extra picks. That's a certainly fair argument.
Using "he traded a 2!" is not an argument.
This man gets it
(1) The Giants traded three draft picks to get Baker.
(2) The net loss in draft picks from the trade was two, a fourth and a fifth.
DG is absolutely not to blame for what happened. But there were enough attitude concerns to preclude trading up for Baker, especially since he was a first round pick.
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was a horrible decision and what’s infuriating about it is the 2 CBs that went right after him. I hope this draft class ends up being a good one but if DG whiffed again I’m ready for NEW blood.
Horrible decision according to who? You?
The kid is going to be facing 10 years in prison or more, after playing one mediocre season in the NFL.
Are you saying it was a good decision to trade up for Baker knowing what we know now? Is anyone saying that?
Obviously it's revisionist history because we know Baker has allegedly turned into a dangerous felon, although it doesn't sound like Baker was a clean prospect in terms of character flags (albeit nothing to suggest this).
Is now really the time that you're going to plant your flag into "according to who?"
It took the value of three draft picks for the rights to select Baker.
Why is that controversial?
(1) The Giants traded three draft picks to get Baker.
(2) The net loss in draft picks from the trade was two, a fourth and a fifth.
DG is absolutely not to blame for what happened. But there were enough attitude concerns to preclude trading up for Baker, especially since he was a first round pick.
Please show me the white papers linking reported laziness to criminal activity like ARMED ROBBERY.