- directing one of the others guys to shoot someone
- pointing guns directly at people
- left in vehicles that looked pre-positioned for a quick getaway suggesting planning
creaming in their Superman tighty-whities right now
While I’m not ready to shit on Dave for this yet, I need to go back and re-read Sy’s write up on Baker. I want to see if there were any character flags. If there were, then maybe we can question Dave’s decision to trade back into round 1 for him.
who did his homework and decided this guy is worth trading into the first round for.
Right because the good GMs can tell the fucking future.
All accounts showed baker wasn’t a problem child before being drafted. Carry on with the pitchforks some of you are fucking brutal and that’s being kind.
are both talented young players. Not like Baker is a lockdown corner. Very replaceable. Don't think the team is any worse off without him.
The worst thing about this is this is a guy the Giants spent draft capital to move up back into round 1 last year. They could have stayed put and had their pick between Dalton Risner, Erik McCoy, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf or Greedy Williams...all guys that I personally wanted over Baker.
Let Sam Beal and Corey Ballentine battle it out for the starting job and let Darnay Holmes start in the slot.
Or let's not jump to conclusions and see how this plays out? It seems like celebrity/athlete arrests always turn out way different than the first reports that come out.
are both talented young players. Not like Baker is a lockdown corner. Very replaceable. Don't think the team is any worse off without him.
The worst thing about this is this is a guy the Giants spent draft capital to move up back into round 1 last year. They could have stayed put and had their pick between Dalton Risner, Erik McCoy, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf or Greedy Williams...all guys that I personally wanted over Baker.
Let Sam Beal and Corey Ballentine battle it out for the starting job and let Darnay Holmes start in the slot.
Or let's not jump to conclusions and see how this plays out? It seems like celebrity/athlete arrests always turn out way different than the first reports that come out.
Obviously. I'm just acting as if there is some validity to these allegations. Logan Ryan is a slot guy. Let Sam Beal and Corey Ballentine battle it out for the outside CB position.
Baker was one of the more questionable moves by Gettleman from the get-go. I'll admit I did think he was going to be a good player (and I still think he has great talent in the right system-- namely focused on man-to-man coverage), but there were so many questionable pieces to it:
1) We traded a 3rd and a 5th to move up just 7 slots to get him. It felt to me like Gettleman was a little trigger-happy with the trade because he a) had so many picks on his hands, and b) missed out on trading up for Josh Allen earlier in the draft. But we really could have used that 3rd rounder now in hindsight.
2) There were 3 or 4 corners all of similar talent/value available at the time, and we were picking just 7 picks later, so I did not feel that CB wast the position to trade up for at THAT time if we were going to trade up.
3) DG had talked about "cleaning up the culture of the locker-room" and Baker had known character concerns. We'd cut/traded much more talented players with barely any "attitude problems" for the sake of the culture, then turn around and trade up for a guy with character concerns. Just weird.
4) Baker was known for his great skills in man-coverage. Some said he had the talent to become a "shutdown" man corner. So of course the Giants decide to play him in zone the entire year and he sucked. If you really know your DC's system how do you trade up for a corner who who doesn't fit said system. Just surprising that there seemed to be a clear disconnect between DG and Bettcher on that front.
So yeah, I was actually in favor of keeping DG another year, but still-- let's not forget the guy is 8-24 as a GM here, and let's wait until this team has an actual winning season on his watch before we give him high marks for a "great" off-season. He's done a number of things since he got here that are completely inexplicable, and I don't think this is fully a "hindsight is 20/20" situation with Baker. A lot of us saw these holes in DG's logic when he made the move to trade up and draft Baker and a year later much of those criticisms have been proven right.
In speaking to team sources, they feel that Baker's tape and talent level should have him going in the No. 10-15 range of the first round, but they believe he will slide some because he has off-the-field issues and has not interviewed well with teams during the leadup to the 2019 NFL Draft.
How many GM’s you think asked him in interviews:
“Hey, DeAndre, let me present you with a hypothetical situation:
Let’s say you go to a party with an automatic weapon and shit kind of hits the fan. How would you react?”
two for Gettleman. He also missed driver anger management issues with Lauletta!
Fucking blind asswipe!
Well, Gettleman preached “culture” after trading Beckham. The problem with a statement like that is when shit like this happens. Another wasted first round pick. Ugh.
"In speaking to team sources, they feel that Baker's tape and talent level should have him going in the No. 10-15 range of the first round, but they believe he will slide some because he has off-the-field issues and has not interviewed well with teams during the leadup to the 2019 NFL Draft," scouting site walterfootball.com wrote.
Nobody’s mentioned the falling asleep at team meetings. He’s toast. What a waste of a first round pick.
As an aside, I just finished watching the five-part OJ Simpson documentary. He unravels in south Florida.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't cut even though he was a first rounder.
"The morality clause, contained in Paragraph 11 of the standard NFL contract, simply allows teams to release players for “skill, performance and conduct”. The morality clause, however, does not allow a team to recoup any Bonus money paid (much less his entire bonus)."
Stat.
- pointing guns directly at people
- left in vehicles that looked pre-positioned for a quick getaway suggesting planning
Thats the application for the warrant not arrest report. Still not good
WTF has happened to this franchise?
While I’m not ready to shit on Dave for this yet, I need to go back and re-read Sy’s write up on Baker. I want to see if there were any character flags. If there were, then maybe we can question Dave’s decision to trade back into round 1 for him.
Right because the good GMs can tell the fucking future.
All accounts showed baker wasn’t a problem child before being drafted. Carry on with the pitchforks some of you are fucking brutal and that’s being kind.
"Hi DeAndre, it's Dave. Hope you're safe and well. Quick question. Did you commit an armed robbery yesterday?"
Save us, Sam Beal
WTF has happened to this franchise?
Yes because the giants never had a player get arrested while they were winning..
The worst thing about this is this is a guy the Giants spent draft capital to move up back into round 1 last year. They could have stayed put and had their pick between Dalton Risner, Erik McCoy, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf or Greedy Williams...all guys that I personally wanted over Baker.
Or let's not jump to conclusions and see how this plays out? It seems like celebrity/athlete arrests always turn out way different than the first reports that come out.
Flowers
Apple
Baker
Can’t keep missing these picks. I’d imagine Baker will be cut.
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millions of dollars because of this.
You are a millionaire with potential to earn millions more- why are you committing armed robbery?
Also what a whiff this pick is looking like.
Stupid is as stupid does
The worst thing about this is this is a guy the Giants spent draft capital to move up back into round 1 last year. They could have stayed put and had their pick between Dalton Risner, Erik McCoy, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf or Greedy Williams...all guys that I personally wanted over Baker.
Not to mention Cody Ford and Jawan Taylor.
Why does this piss me off!!!! Ugh
Next man up
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Let Sam Beal and Corey Ballentine battle it out for the starting job and let Darnay Holmes start in the slot.
Or let's not jump to conclusions and see how this plays out? It seems like celebrity/athlete arrests always turn out way different than the first reports that come out.
Obviously. I'm just acting as if there is some validity to these allegations. Logan Ryan is a slot guy. Let Sam Beal and Corey Ballentine battle it out for the outside CB position.
Fire him for what? For drafting a player that got in trouble? Guess the Pats should have fired Belichick for drafting a murderer?
Jesus Christ sometimes this board is the worst.
No we get to waste more 2021 draft picks on corners, yay.
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Baker they need to fire Gettleman. What an embarrassment.
Fire him for what? For drafting a player that got in trouble? Guess the Pats should have fired Belichick for drafting a murderer?
Jesus Christ sometimes this board is the worst.
Belichick can get away with drafting a red flag player who was a red flag in college because he's the greatest coach of all time.
Baker didnt just wake up and decide to start a life a crime. Clearly they messed up on doing his homework in the draft.
the character concerns were there from day 1 at georgia...how did our guys miss this?
Fucking blind asswipe!
No we get to waste more 2021 draft picks on corners, yay.
A.J. Brown would look awfully good about now.
1) We traded a 3rd and a 5th to move up just 7 slots to get him. It felt to me like Gettleman was a little trigger-happy with the trade because he a) had so many picks on his hands, and b) missed out on trading up for Josh Allen earlier in the draft. But we really could have used that 3rd rounder now in hindsight.
2) There were 3 or 4 corners all of similar talent/value available at the time, and we were picking just 7 picks later, so I did not feel that CB wast the position to trade up for at THAT time if we were going to trade up.
3) DG had talked about "cleaning up the culture of the locker-room" and Baker had known character concerns. We'd cut/traded much more talented players with barely any "attitude problems" for the sake of the culture, then turn around and trade up for a guy with character concerns. Just weird.
4) Baker was known for his great skills in man-coverage. Some said he had the talent to become a "shutdown" man corner. So of course the Giants decide to play him in zone the entire year and he sucked. If you really know your DC's system how do you trade up for a corner who who doesn't fit said system. Just surprising that there seemed to be a clear disconnect between DG and Bettcher on that front.
So yeah, I was actually in favor of keeping DG another year, but still-- let's not forget the guy is 8-24 as a GM here, and let's wait until this team has an actual winning season on his watch before we give him high marks for a "great" off-season. He's done a number of things since he got here that are completely inexplicable, and I don't think this is fully a "hindsight is 20/20" situation with Baker. A lot of us saw these holes in DG's logic when he made the move to trade up and draft Baker and a year later much of those criticisms have been proven right.
Beal is a stick with two bum shoulders.
Ballentine was a late round pick for a reason,as far as I can see.
Lance Zierlein projected Love for round 2.
He should get a very hard look for the outside CB spot.
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In speaking to team sources, they feel that Baker's tape and talent level should have him going in the No. 10-15 range of the first round, but they believe he will slide some because he has off-the-field issues and has not interviewed well with teams during the leadup to the 2019 NFL Draft.
How many GM’s you think asked him in interviews:
“Hey, DeAndre, let me present you with a hypothetical situation:
Let’s say you go to a party with an automatic weapon and shit kind of hits the fan. How would you react?”
Fucking blind asswipe!
Well, Gettleman preached “culture” after trading Beckham. The problem with a statement like that is when shit like this happens. Another wasted first round pick. Ugh.
no bueno...no bueno
Admit it, you're just loving this.
As an aside, I just finished watching the five-part OJ Simpson documentary. He unravels in south Florida.