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George from PA : 5/15/2020 8:20 am
I am tired of hearing about Baker.

I hope the kid resolves his issues. .... it sucks that the Giants missed again, with another 1st Rd pick. Blame DG or not.....I do not care. Probably the same guys blaming DG, also complained for spending a ton of asset on so many DBs! Either way, just another example that the draft is a crap shoot?

I say....it is a great opportunity for Judge to send a message to the entire team....a 1st Rder can get cut....anyone can. No one owns a spot....they must earn it.

Baker closed his window.....time for someone else to open it! Its a perfect time for someone to step up!

Beal? Calling Mr.Beal! We know... injuries have derailed your career.... change it!

Ballentime? You got abused in the slot. They said...you have it....prove it!

Even Love, Is McKinney is taking you spot? Take Another....

I see a ton of names....what a great opportunity!!!

I am tired of feeling bad, snakebit...I say fuck it.

Next man up!!! Seize the momment!!



The first round of the draft has  
cjac : 5/15/2020 8:24 am : link
been a disaster for this team

Signing this guy will make DG a hero ...  
Spider56 : 5/15/2020 8:30 am : link
One can only wish.
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Beal needs to take this opportunity for all its worth!  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/15/2020 8:30 am : link
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Missing on top 10 picks is different then #30  
George from PA : 5/15/2020 8:32 am : link
But yes.....explains much of losing.

If Jones....turns out to be a franchise QB....take some of the sting off.
My money is on Ballentine.  
Klaatu : 5/15/2020 8:34 am : link
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A lot of the coverage breakdowns last year had me looking  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/15/2020 8:39 am : link
right at Baker. We still have a good stable here IMO. Got the growing pains out of the way. This might not be the end of the world.

I was hoping he'd get his head right this season. Cleary that wasn't on his mind at all.
All we are saying ....  
Spider56 : 5/15/2020 8:42 am : link
Is give Askew a chance
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I think the guy to watch is Darnay Holmes  
BillT : 5/15/2020 8:44 am : link
Everyone thinks he’s a slot guy but he played almost exclusively on the outside at UCLA. Could be the kind of scheme where he starts on the outside and then moves inside in the nickel set. Or the nickel could be a 3 safety set with Love the 5th man where he stays outside. That might give us the best 5.
RE: The first round of the draft has  
KDavies : 5/15/2020 8:44 am : link
In comment 14903238 cjac said:
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been a disaster for this team


Reese had some disasters, and that is why he is gone. Under Gettleman, we have gotten Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. Baker was a late first rounder. It is the only miss so far for Gettleman in the 1st, and that was because of off the field crap. Based on talent alone, he was a starting CB.
RE: I think the guy to watch is Darnay Holmes  
KDavies : 5/15/2020 8:49 am : link
In comment 14903275 BillT said:
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Everyone thinks he’s a slot guy but he played almost exclusively on the outside at UCLA. Could be the kind of scheme where he starts on the outside and then moves inside in the nickel set. Or the nickel could be a 3 safety set with Love the 5th man where he stays outside. That might give us the best 5.


I don’t know why people are saying he is slot only. I’m not an expert on him as I rarely watch the PAC 10. Obviously he does have the skill set to play the slot, and that is what they drafted him for, with the slot being a huge weakness, and Baker and Bradberry slated in as starters.

If the Giants were to pick up a corner to play the slot like a Logan Ryan, could Holmes play outside CB, or is his skill set not fit for that?
RE: RE: The first round of the draft has  
beatrixkiddo : 5/15/2020 9:02 am : link
In comment 14903276 KDavies said:
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In comment 14903238 cjac said:


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been a disaster for this team




Reese had some disasters, and that is why he is gone. Under Gettleman, we have gotten Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. Baker was a late first rounder. It is the only miss so far for Gettleman in the 1st, and that was because of off the field crap. Based on talent alone, he was a starting CB.


Think we should pump the brakes on Thomas being a hit. He hasn’t even suited up. I remember people around here glowing about a guy by the name of Flowers a few years ago, we all know how that went.

I’m not one to always criticize Gettleman, but it is also short sighted to ignore his dreadful record with FA, way more misses than hits there, he tied up lots of cap/ salary in bad players. This is also a big reason why we continue to stink.
RE: The first round of the draft has  
Victor in CT : 5/15/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 14903238 cjac said:
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been a disaster for this team


what? you can't be serious
Agree  
mdthedream : 5/15/2020 9:08 am : link
Bye Baker don't need his crazy ass in our locker room.
Yet another reminder that CB is a need  
mfsd : 5/15/2020 9:11 am : link
every single year
No one said...Thomas waa a hit......just not a miss, yet  
George from PA : 5/15/2020 9:12 am : link
Jones, Lawrence and even Barkley.....still need to prove 1st RD worthiness.

Holmes "slot" talk came from senior bowl.....he seems to show special slot corner skills.....if that is the case...leave him in slot.

As the others seem to be more outside guys.
RE: The first round of the draft has  
Gruber : 5/15/2020 9:14 am : link
In comment 14903238 cjac said:
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been a disaster for this team


That's one weird post.
The Bradberry signing  
mittenedman : 5/15/2020 9:18 am : link
makes much more sense now.

I’ll bet the Giants realized Baker was a turd long before this happened.

It’s hard to believe they wanted this guy in the building. He is clearly an a-hole and doesn’t really try to hide it.

Love the BS comments from his college coach about his work ethic too. Already skipping OTAs. He cashed his signing bonus and quit.
come on Beal!  
ATL_Giants : 5/15/2020 9:21 am : link
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Beal? Calling Mr.Beal! We know... injuries have derailed your career.... change it!
i know I'm being a crazy optimist  
mushroom : 5/15/2020 9:21 am : link
but I can see Ballentine taking a huge step up. With what he had to overcome last year small school, the shooting incident, apparent below average coaching, I think he will surprise seems like a high character guy with good physical skills. Well one can hope!
Reese had decent success in round 1  
ryanmkeane : 5/15/2020 9:30 am : link
Ross, Nicks, Phillips (shame his career was cut short), JPP, Beckham, and I guess Engram to an extent. The main awful misses were Flowers and Apple, and Wilson to an extent was a bust but not really his fault. With the first chunk of 1st round picks contributing to Super Bowl wins, I'd say that's a decent success rate. Pugh was eh, not a bust but not a good pick.

Gettleman has Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Thomas. 2 of these guys are franchise changers (if Jones is "the guy") and Lawrence looks the part coming off a good rookie year. Jury out on Thomas, Baker probably done. But still, that's still very good, just depends on Jones.
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Klaatu : 5/15/2020 9:35 am : link


Help me, Corey Ballentine. You're my only hope.
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KDavies : 5/15/2020 10:11 am : link
In comment 14903307 beatrixkiddo said:
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In comment 14903238 cjac said:


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been a disaster for this team




Reese had some disasters, and that is why he is gone. Under Gettleman, we have gotten Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, and Thomas. Baker was a late first rounder. It is the only miss so far for Gettleman in the 1st, and that was because of off the field crap. Based on talent alone, he was a starting CB.



Think we should pump the brakes on Thomas being a hit. He hasn’t even suited up. I remember people around here glowing about a guy by the name of Flowers a few years ago, we all know how that went.

I’m not one to always criticize Gettleman, but it is also short sighted to ignore his dreadful record with FA, way more misses than hits there, he tied up lots of cap/ salary in bad players. This is also a big reason why we continue to stink.


I didn’t say Thomas was a hit. I listed Gettleman’s 1st rounders and said Baker was the only miss so far. Thomas is TBD obviously. I agree it fair to criticize Gettleman for FA and other moves, but his drafting has been an overall strength so far
I liked Baker as a player, but lets be honest last season he wasn't  
PatersonPlank : 5/15/2020 10:18 am : link
exactly a standout. Replacing his output from 2020 will not be hard. The important thing is to get a guy in there who can get better and be a solid corner moving forward. Maybe its Beal, maybe its Holmes, who knows right now. Buts not replacing 2020 "Baker" I'm worried about, we can find a lot of guys to do that.

I would look hard at bringing in another vet, to basically give Beal/Holmes/etc another season
I am amazed...  
dschwarz in westchester : 5/15/2020 10:29 am : link
....at how quickly everyone is piling on Baker.

Look, if he did this he's getting (at least) suspended and probably cut. But one article on TMZ and we're sure he's done? Isn't there any room for the guy to defend himself or tell his side of the story or grow up?

As for Gettleman, honestly I think he should get credit for backfilling the position behind Baker so that if things don't work out for any reason (on the field or off) the Giants have plenty of other young/talented guys to get a shot.
It was a bad idea  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/15/2020 10:41 am : link
to have Baker and JJ in the same locker room.
Umm you know there is  
Dave on the UWS : 5/15/2020 10:42 am : link
a police report right? It’s not “just one article on TMZ”
Beal is awful and was injured for a year and a half  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2020 11:04 am : link
I wouldn't hold your breath
Everyone has a clean slate.......perfect time to step up.  
George from PA : 5/15/2020 11:14 am : link
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RE: The first round of the draft has  
bLiTz 2k : 5/15/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14903238 cjac said:
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been a disaster for this team


Really?
Thanks for this thread, George, but . . .  
Josh in MD : 5/15/2020 12:25 pm : link
I value your posting this. It is more fun and more constructive to think about options to fill that void than to beat to death the question of how much to blame DG.
You lost me though in your lead-in where you said:
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I hope the kid resolves his issues.

"Issues"? Armed robbery plus exhorting his cohort to shoot someone? If he serves his 5 to 10 he'll resolve his debt to society. As far as I see it, that's his "issue."
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RicFlair : 5/15/2020 12:27 pm : link
Reminder that Julian Love was the 7th CB on PFF’s Board in 2019, and forced 18 incompletions (90.7 coverage grade) his last year at Notre Dame, 3rd best among eligible cornerbacks in his draft class.
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RE: The first round of the draft has  
Jay in Toronto : 5/15/2020 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14903238 cjac said:
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been a disaster for this team


Don't think 2018 and 19 have been disasters
Josh in Md  
George from PA : 5/15/2020 2:51 pm : link
I know it looks bad.....but he still gets his day in court and he is very young....that is all.

I do suspect his NFL days are done...
1st round has been bad...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/15/2020 2:56 pm : link
...?!

Pump the breaks on Thomas?!

Just wow~
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