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NGT: Ed Oliver arrested on DWI, Gun charges

Mike in NY : 5/17/2020 8:20 am
I know a number of people wanted him at 6 last year
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Fire DG!  
Jim in Forest Hills : 5/17/2020 8:23 am : link
You know he thought about drafting Oliver last year!
Dont know if  
XBRONX : 5/17/2020 8:25 am : link
there is league mandated time suspended for carrying an illegal weapon. The NFL needs to sent a strong message on players carrying guns with no license.
OMG did tHe bILls  
Saquads26 : 5/17/2020 8:26 am : link
eVEn due thERe hoMeewurk on DIs guyEE?!
2020  
uncledave : 5/17/2020 8:32 am : link
Still just getting started
WTH is going on out there?  
Eli Wilson : 5/17/2020 8:34 am : link
That's 4 guys this week.

RE: WTH is going on out there?  
section125 : 5/17/2020 8:36 am : link
In comment 14905118 Eli Wilson said:
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That's 4 guys this week.


There is nothing to dwell..
Let me guess  
XBRONX : 5/17/2020 8:51 am : link
He lent the car to a friend,doesn't know how the gun got there.
These guys need structure  
Torrag : 5/17/2020 8:53 am : link
No mini camps sitting around in quarantine leaves those prone to it too much time, money and opportunity to get into trouble.


RE: These guys need structure  
Saquads26 : 5/17/2020 8:53 am : link
In comment 14905129 Torrag said:
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No mini camps sitting around in quarantine leaves those prone to it too much time, money and opportunity to get into trouble.



Or they just need to use common sense
This is a small example of why  
Ned In Atlanta : 5/17/2020 8:54 am : link
Locking down society indefinitely is a terrible idea. And I say this as an ER nurse
RE: These guys need structure  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2020 9:16 am : link
In comment 14905129 Torrag said:
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No mini camps sitting around in quarantine leaves those prone to it too much time, money and opportunity to get into trouble.



I don’t agree. Keeping to an NFL training schedules shouldnt be needed to keep you from breaking the law. Shit excuse - what about the rest of us? Heck what about athletes in every other sport?
RE: This is a small example of why  
BlueVinnie : 5/17/2020 9:16 am : link
In comment 14905131 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Locking down society indefinitely is a terrible idea. And I say this as an ER nurse


I totally respect and thank you for your service as an ER nurse. However, to blame these "missteps" on the lock down is wrong. These guys are knuckleheads. We can't say for certain but I'd say the odds were overwhelmingly in favor of these idiots getting into some sort of trouble at some point regardless of the Corona virus lockdown.
Whoa  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/17/2020 9:18 am : link
the Bill's totally nees to fire their GM right away! Red flags!!
I blame Dave Gettleman  
GiantJake : 5/17/2020 9:20 am : link
I'm not sure why yet, but it seems like the obvious next step.
RE: Whoa  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2020 9:20 am : link
In comment 14905144 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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the Bill's totally nees to fire their GM right away! Red flags!!


Haha, most of this board loved Oliver. And there were red flags.
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RE: Fire DG!  
DonnieD89 : 5/17/2020 9:24 am : link
In comment 14905111 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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You know he thought about drafting Oliver last year!


Exactly! Let’s fire his ass for even giving Oliver consideration!
Too much time on my hands...  
ZogZerg : 5/17/2020 9:30 am : link
Well, I'd go out cruisin', but I've no place to go
And all night to get there

Is it any wonder I'm not a criminal?
Is it any wonder I'm not in jail?

Too much time on my hands
Fire the Bills GM! He should have known this would happen  
PatersonPlank : 5/17/2020 10:01 am : link
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RE: WTH is going on out there?  
bradshaw44 : 5/17/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 14905118 Eli Wilson said:
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That's 4 guys this week.


The saying “idle hands are the devils playground” comes to mind. Bunch of young guys with a lot of money and nothing but time to kill.
these football players need to get to camp  
Rick in Dallas : 5/17/2020 10:05 am : link
in a structured environment. Too much idol time to do crazy stuff.
unbelievably poor mentoring of Brandon Beane by Dave Gettleman  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2020 10:08 am : link
but I guess it shows he was paying attention as assistant GM in Carolina.
It's  
TommyWiseau : 5/17/2020 10:13 am : link
all Gettleman's fault
RE: these football players need to get to camp  
Saquads26 : 5/17/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14905177 Rick in Dallas said:
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in a structured environment. Too much idol time to do crazy stuff.


😂😂😂😂
RE: unbelievably poor mentoring of Brandon Beane by Dave Gettleman  
Jay on the Island : 5/17/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14905180 Eric on Li said:
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but I guess it shows he was paying attention as assistant GM in Carolina.

I knew this was Gettleman's fault! I am even willing to bet that Gettleman corrupted this poor young man during the pre-draft interviews.
Well of course, naturally.  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/17/2020 10:31 am : link
Brandon Beane was DG's assistant GM at Carolina.
RE: RE: This is a small example of why  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/17/2020 10:36 am : link
In comment 14905140 BlueVinnie said:
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In comment 14905131 Ned In Atlanta said:


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Locking down society indefinitely is a terrible idea. And I say this as an ER nurse



I totally respect and thank you for your service as an ER nurse. However, to blame these "missteps" on the lock down is wrong. These guys are knuckleheads. We can't say for certain but I'd say the odds were overwhelmingly in favor of these idiots getting into some sort of trouble at some point regardless of the Corona virus lockdown.


If you don't think the lockdown is having an effect on people's mental health and pushing some people that are more prone to bad decisions over the edge than you are delusional. That is like the first rule in military, idle soldiers are a time bomb waiting to happen.
RE: This is a small example of why  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/17/2020 10:39 am : link
In comment 14905131 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Locking down society indefinitely is a terrible idea. And I say this as an ER nurse


Really? THIS IS WHY?

That's some deep observation mate!

There must be 1000 better examples of how a lockdown is pejorative, starting with huge unemployment and other economic maladies.

But one dufus driving drunk with an unlicensed weapon is what you cite?
Of course it’s having an effect  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2020 10:41 am : link
but I’m seeing it used as the excuse. Going stir crazy isn’t an excuse to commit desirous crimes. It also begs the question - why are all other athletes able to act normal? The NFL still has a huge issue with players breaking the law and quarantine or not, these guys are still acting like assholes.
RE: RE: RE: This is a small example of why  
BlueVinnie : 5/17/2020 10:42 am : link
In comment 14905208 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14905140 BlueVinnie said:


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In comment 14905131 Ned In Atlanta said:


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Locking down society indefinitely is a terrible idea. And I say this as an ER nurse



I totally respect and thank you for your service as an ER nurse. However, to blame these "missteps" on the lock down is wrong. These guys are knuckleheads. We can't say for certain but I'd say the odds were overwhelmingly in favor of these idiots getting into some sort of trouble at some point regardless of the Corona virus lockdown.



If you don't think the lockdown is having an effect on people's mental health and pushing some people that are more prone to bad decisions over the edge than you are delusional. That is like the first rule in military, idle soldiers are a time bomb waiting to happen.


You're proving my point in your reply when you say "people that are more prone to bad decisions". In other words, these are idiots who would have made bad decisions at some point in their lives...with or without a lockdown.
RE: RE: RE: This is a small example of why  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/17/2020 10:43 am : link
In comment 14905208 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14905140 BlueVinnie said:


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In comment 14905131 Ned In Atlanta said:


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Locking down society indefinitely is a terrible idea. And I say this as an ER nurse



I totally respect and thank you for your service as an ER nurse. However, to blame these "missteps" on the lock down is wrong. These guys are knuckleheads. We can't say for certain but I'd say the odds were overwhelmingly in favor of these idiots getting into some sort of trouble at some point regardless of the Corona virus lockdown.



If you don't think the lockdown is having an effect on people's mental health and pushing some people that are more prone to bad decisions over the edge than you are delusional. That is like the first rule in military, idle soldiers are a time bomb waiting to happen.


So you think regular folks of all ages pent up at home have a similar mental psychological profile as a bunch of 18-25 year old men trained to kill for reasons they most likely don't even begin to fathom?

I'm selling on that observation.
Lol dude you need to stop getting your ideas of what the military  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/17/2020 10:50 am : link
is like from movies. 99 percent aren't trained to kill. If anything football players fit that bill more than military, these guys play a violent sport for a living. So yeh your argument actually applies more to football players.
RE: Lol dude you need to stop getting your ideas of what the military  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/17/2020 10:57 am : link
In comment 14905227 Zeke's Alibi said:
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is like from movies. 99 percent aren't trained to kill. If anything football players fit that bill more than military, these guys play a violent sport for a living. So yeh your argument actually applies more to football players.


So you agree this "pent up" theorem doesnt apply to a representative cross section of reqular people?

Thanks for proving my point.
It most definitely applies to young people under 25 with brains that  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/17/2020 11:00 am : link
haven't hit full maturity and our prone to making bad decisions. Hence the military and NFL players are a good cross section to compare to. Keeping them busy helps keep them out if trouble.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a small example of why  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/17/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 14905218 BlueVinnie said:
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In comment 14905208 Zeke's Alibi said:


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In comment 14905140 BlueVinnie said:


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Locking down society indefinitely is a terrible idea. And I say this as an ER nurse






You're proving my point in your reply when you say "people that are more prone to bad decisions". In other words, these are idiots who would have made bad decisions at some point in their lives...with or without a lockdown.


I know tons of people that made bad decisions when they were younger that grew out of it. Lots of risk taker types, which I imagine the NFL is full of. He's a 22 year old from Texas. Newsflash they don't view guns the way that people do in NYC. It's not illegal to have unregistered guns.
Yes. We're all going stir  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2020 11:14 am : link
crazy with this lockdown. But to somewhat use that as an attempt to rationalize what these idiots are doing is fairly weak IMO.

And it's not like NFL players committing crime is a new development. Odds are these guys would be doing the same if this was a normal time.
RE: RE: unbelievably poor mentoring of Brandon Beane by Dave Gettleman  
DonnieD89 : 5/17/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 14905192 Jay on the Island said:
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but I guess it shows he was paying attention as assistant GM in Carolina.


I knew this was Gettleman's fault! I am even willing to bet that Gettleman corrupted this poor young man during the pre-draft interviews.


Yep! He should be burned to the steak. The BBI pitch forK people have just about had it.
I’ll put the odds of Ed Oliver driving drunk prior to COVID  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2020 11:23 am : link
at close to 100%. Enough with the excuses for these guys, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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christian : 5/17/2020 11:43 am : link
Every team has bad actors. There's no way you can field 60 young, rich men who hit each other for a living and not have a portion of irresponsible or violent people.

This is why I've always felt the a GM "fixing" culture is a joke.

Culture is about the staff managing the character flaws of the team, not the HR manager managing out every player with character flaws.
It isn’t a joke  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2020 11:45 am : link
just because it’s hard or even impossible to do doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be something to strive for.
Is the NFL now  
David B. : 5/17/2020 11:55 am : link
issuing guns at the rookie symposiums?
RE: Fire DG!  
NYDCBlue : 5/17/2020 11:58 am : link
In comment 14905111 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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You know he thought about drafting Oliver last year!


Yep, this is the BBI we all know and love!

BTW, I am happy to see all these bad boy NFL players are at least getting popped for gun charges.

That means they are being responsible and at least attempting to practice social distancing while engaging in their wild crime sprees! Bravo.... And some of you old stick in the mud boomers around here try to claim these guys are not role models? Methinks you owe them an apology!
RE: Is the NFL now  
j_rud : 5/17/2020 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14905295 David B. said:
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issuing guns at the rookie symposiums?


That would be really irresponsible. A half measure, really. If youre gonna issue guns you have to issue Fall Guys as well. Just more half-assed chicken shit from Goodell...
RE: It isn’t a joke  
christian : 5/17/2020 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14905285 UConn4523 said:
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just because it’s hard or even impossible to do doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be something to strive for.


You're missing my point. I'm saying it's
not something a GM can fix. You can't cut or avoid every player with character flaws.

The staff has to be able to manage through guys like that.

Tom Coughlin coached through Strahan, Toomer, Boley, etc. -- these were guys doing real world off the field bizarre and criminal things.

The personell guys should certainly avoid deeply problematic people. But otherwise it's a complete fairy tale to think a football team won't have and can't succeed with some idiots on it.
RE: Is the NFL now  
Anakim : 5/17/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14905295 David B. said:
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issuing guns at the rookie symposiums?



They should've listened to Cris Carter...
I got your point  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2020 12:09 pm : link
I just think people take GM quotes so damn literally. DG should want to fix the culture as much as possible and the staff should be able to manage those players who aren’t the best cultural fits.
Most people just miss the point  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/17/2020 12:23 pm : link
The 2017 Giants were in a state of basic insurrection. That was where the culture talk was coming from. And it was accurate. It needed to be rooted out.

RE: Most people just miss the point  
ron mexico : 5/17/2020 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14905335 Sneakers O'toole said:
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The 2017 Giants were in a state of basic insurrection. That was where the culture talk was coming from. And it was accurate. It needed to be rooted out.


My reading between the lines is that they got rid of anyone who complained about upper management.

RE: Most people just miss the point  
christian : 5/17/2020 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14905335 Sneakers O'toole said:
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The 2017 Giants were in a state of basic insurrection. That was where the culture talk was coming from. And it was accurate. It needed to be rooted out.


So close to insurrection that in that in the next offseason the Giants extended Beckham, signed Latimer, drafted Baker, retained Jenkins and then subsequently annointed him mentor of puppies, and signed Golden Tate.

Maybe this cultural vetting process needs another look?
It wasnt a one year process  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/17/2020 12:43 pm : link
A d the Giants cleared out the ones Im referring to. It has nothing to do with Tate, Baker, Latimer.

I do take your point about Jenkins and Beckham. I think Jackrabbit was a dead man walking pretty much immediately. Can't be sure.

I do think they wanted to salvage OBJ. I also think that was a Mara deal.
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christian : 5/17/2020 1:01 pm : link
I’m just being tongue in cheek.

My view is and has always been the Giants have had weak head coaching from the end of the Coughlin years up until hopefully now.

A strong head coach sets the tone and culture and can most certainly handle strong and imperfect people.

Unless we’re talking about deeply flawed humans, I don’t think the HR folks can really make a difference.
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