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SNY: Baker's atty says his client has been scared straight

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/18/2020 10:48 am
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DeAndre Baker's attorney believes the Giants cornerback is the victim of a "shakedown" and is being accused of a crime he did not commit. But he also believes Baker has been "scared straight" by this brush with the law, and will come out of this a better man than he was before.

"He's got an opportunity to become the next Ray Lewis and not the next Ray Rice," attorney Patrick G. Patel said in an exclusive interview with SNY late Sunday night. "There's two guys who went in two different directions. I told DeAndre that. And he seems very focused. He's scared straight. I can say that."

DeAndre Baker's the victim of a 'shakedown,' says Giant cornerback's attorney - ( New Window )
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RE: Ray Lewis?  
Bluesbreaker : 5/18/2020 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14905875 Big Blue '56 said:
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Ray Lewis?


Ray Lewis is the last person I would use !
Ron  
afann : 5/18/2020 1:58 pm : link
Yes, then they called the cops because their feelings were hurt
Releasing and Trading are 2 different things  
KeoweeFan : 5/18/2020 2:01 pm : link
Clearly DeAndre is not in the JJ mold.
Aside from this incident his behavior last year and in this off season are very questionable. Retaining him sends a very bad message w/r/t the new attitude JJ wants to install.

However he may still have talent and if he is innocent, DG may be able to recoup a small part of what he paid for this immature ball player.
Like others have mentioned,  
barens : 5/18/2020 2:09 pm : link
the difference between Baker and ex-players like Lewis and Rice, is that no-one ever questioned their work ethic or effort.
If he  
afann : 5/18/2020 2:20 pm : link
Gets cleared I high doubt the Giants cut him. Just my opinion.
seems like Dunbar and Baker  
bluepepper : 5/18/2020 2:26 pm : link
have different defenses. This is just based on news reports so I could be completely wrong.

Dunbar: I wasn't involved in this incident. Here are new statements from the witnesses that clear me.

Baker: Nothing criminal happened. Here are statements from other witnesses to contradict the witnesses the police relied upon.

Dunbar is in very good shape here unless the witnesses claim they were harassed or coerced into new statements. Or if prosecutors think he was an accomplice even if witnesses didn't know that (planning, helping them escape, etc).

Baker not quite as good but anytime witnesses start changing significant parts of their stories it ain't good and prosecutors could decide it's not worth pursuing particularly if the victims are unsympathetic characters.
.  
MOOPS : 5/18/2020 2:31 pm : link
Ray Rice  
Mr. Nickels : 5/18/2020 2:33 pm : link
is a good person

Ray Lewis is a piece of shit
I agree that the story didn't add up from the beginning...  
Damon : 5/18/2020 2:44 pm : link
However, seems like the attorney is doing everything he can to persuade the Giants from cutting Baker outright... Gotta get every cent he can. This is PR that sounds more like agent speak than defense lawyer...
Guys  
Dragon : 5/18/2020 3:05 pm : link
The warrants were put out on those three if someone else pulled a gun or did any threatening why have we not heard anything about them. Yes we were not there but getting robbed is very easy to see can’t believe that’s very hard to mistake. I will say this if only he had stayed at home as most are being directed to these days no problems. Will he ever play in the NFL again who knows but I would hope law enforcement is better than this dog poop is starting to look.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/18/2020 3:19 pm : link
Plus no bail requested by the state prosecutor?

I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.
RE: ...  
Victor in CT : 5/18/2020 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14906151 Eric from BBI said:
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Plus no bail requested by the state prosecutor?

I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.


Yes. Starting to look like a wrong place at the wrong time thing. He was stupid to be there, but didn't do anything.
RE: ...  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14906151 Eric from BBI said:
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Plus no bail requested by the state prosecutor?

I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.


The prosecutor requested that he not be let out on bail.

That’s the opposite not requiring bail.
Eric..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/18/2020 3:26 pm : link
I mentioned this last night as a benchmark. Greg Hardy was actually found guilty of aggravated assault and on appeal the case was thrown out because the witness was paid off not to testify.

The NFL suspended him for 10 games and had enough evidence to make it as long as they wanted. I think the maximum Baker might get from the league (if he's cleared) is 4 games, with 2 not being out of the question.
ron mexico  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/18/2020 3:30 pm : link
My bad. I misinterpreted it.
He'll have to convince the other Judge  
ColHowPepper : 5/18/2020 3:34 pm : link
that he's justified in not recommending that DG waive him
Maybe scared straight just means he was in a cell with some guys from  
Spider56 : 5/18/2020 3:38 pm : link
Deliverance ?
The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
TMS : 5/18/2020 3:54 pm : link
in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.
RE: .  
Victor in CT : 5/18/2020 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14906113 MOOPS said:
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Drebin: LOOK! It's the missing evidence in the Jones murder. Smith WAS innocent!

Captain Hocken: He went to the chair 6 years ago Frank.
RE: The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/18/2020 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14906187 TMS said:
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in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.

Judge wasn't even the coach of the Giants at that time. How would it be on him? Do you think DG consulted with him on a draft pick just in case he wound up leaving the Patriots a year later to become head coach for the Giants?
RE: The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
LBH15 : 5/18/2020 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14906187 TMS said:
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in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.


Yes, we should blame Judge. Maybe Belichick and the whole New England franchise while we are at it.
I just listened to the segment on Moose and Maggie  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
They had the CBS legal expert on and she stated unequivocally that there is no case against Baker. That the witnesses who made the claims against him are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying he had not done this. The affidavits were signed prior to Baker turning himself in. Also, another witness (the guy who set the game up) testified to police that Baker and Dunbar did nothing wrong which they, in turn, failed to mention to the Prosecutors.

Supposedly it's a traveling dice game that was at the center of everything. Also, Dunbar's attorney is a state rep in Florida and actually worked side-by-side with the lead Detective when he was a former prosecutor
RE: The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
Victor in CT : 5/18/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14906187 TMS said:
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in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.


another brilliant take. ugh.
RE: Like others have mentioned,  
SGMen : 5/18/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14906100 barens said:
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the difference between Baker and ex-players like Lewis and Rice, is that no-one ever questioned their work ethic or effort.
True. But Baker is young so I hold out hope he does "wake up" and learn a lesson.

My prayer is the charges are dropped, he makes it to camp, and I'm going to be the NFL suspends him just because they can for 4 games? I just pray is all.
Why is  
afann : 5/18/2020 4:30 pm : link
it so hard to understand the draft picks...Probably went like this..Hey I want to swap my 37 pick for your 30th pick. You have to throw something in. Ok, how about a 4th and 5th.....done. Why can't people grasp that?
I have to imagine  
Beer Man : 5/18/2020 4:48 pm : link
Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.
Unequivocally!  
ColHowPepper : 5/18/2020 5:12 pm : link
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They had the CBS legal expert on and she stated unequivocally that there is no case against Baker.
LOL, a wise old head to be sure
RE: The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
section125 : 5/18/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14906187 TMS said:
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in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.


It was not a reach. He was the #1 rated CB in the draft. Giving a 4th and a 5th is chump change.
RE: I have to imagine  
section125 : 5/18/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14906250 Beer Man said:
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Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.


You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?
RE: Ray Rice  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/18/2020 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14906115 Mr. Nickels said:
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is a good person


RE: RE: I have to imagine  
Beer Man : 5/18/2020 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14906273 section125 said:
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Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.



You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?
Thanks for clearing that up for, I can see nothing gets passed you.

RE: RE: RE: I have to imagine  
section125 : 5/18/2020 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14906295 Beer Man said:
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In comment 14906250 Beer Man said:


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Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.



You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?

Thanks for clearing that up for, I can see nothing gets passed you.



No problem. Glad I could help....
RE: Call  
Darth Paul : 5/18/2020 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14905903 Eric from BBI said:
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me naive, but the original story never made sense (a multi-millionaire robbing people at a house party). Now we have four witnesses who have recanted their testimony. A shakedown makes more sense.


When the story first came out none of us could believe how stupid he was and it's the most idiotic thing we ever heard. A shakedown makes it more "normal".
What a stupid fucking comment  
Knineteen : 5/18/2020 6:11 pm : link
Innocent yet scared straight?!

He's clearly guilty of something. What he gets convicted of is the real question.
The fact both Baker and Dunbar  
slickwilly : 5/18/2020 6:14 pm : link
have no prior criminal history makes me believe that the story that seemed so far fetched and made no sense to begin with is in fact bullshit. That is my opinion.
RE: What a stupid fucking comment  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14906313 Knineteen said:
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Innocent yet scared straight?!

He's clearly guilty of something. What he gets convicted of is the real question.


Scared straight that hanging out at low security card games in the ghetto when you are a multimillionaire with a lot more to lose than the other people at the table.
I've never been caught doing anything illegal my whole life,  
slickwilly : 5/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.
RE: No one has question this lawyer quoted by Ralph  
shyster : 5/18/2020 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14906008 BlueLou'sBack said:
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is someone new? From Lawyer Cohen that represented him at the initial preceding to this Patrick G. Patel fellow?



Patel is a Jersey attorney. Cohen is Florida attorney.

Ralph's story says Patel is Baker's "other" attorney.

Link is to Patel's website. I find it somewhat amusing that his profile page has a clip from a 1989 article in the Hudson Dispatch describing him as a "29 year old powerhouse."

That would be OK if it were part of a history leading to the present. But no, that's it, one clip from 1989.

For "Representative Cases", we get "Under construction."

The domain name for his website is "201injurylaw.com."

So, we'll see.

That's Patel with one L - ( New Window )
RE: I've never been caught doing anything illegal my whole life,  
section125 : 5/18/2020 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14906322 slickwilly said:
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but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.


Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.

I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.
RE: RE: I've never been caught doing anything illegal my whole life,  
slickwilly : 5/18/2020 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14906326 section125 said:
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but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.



Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.

I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.


I hear you, I've done many, many dumb things especially at that age in my lifetime. Just think it's a bit extreme to go from no criminal record to armed robbery when you actually "made it" and are in the NFL. It just doesn't add up to me.
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Mike from SI : 5/18/2020 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14906033 tyrik13 said:
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his lawyer may not be that good.

1. I always thought good lawyers go with the no comment route instead of proclaiming their clients innocence in the media.

2. Why the hell are you comparing Baker's charges to Ray Lewis - who was charged with two counts of murder?



If you followed the story, they were trying to go the no comment route but due to how big this got in the media he had to release a statement in order to quell the “mob” who were trying to crucify him. Has nothing to do with how good or bad a lawyer is, this is a terrible statement


Part of handling high profile legal cases is having a comms strategy to deal with the media. So I disagree a bit.
As far as people calling Baker's lawyer an idiot  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 6:51 pm : link
Seems he was pretty smart to have Baker wait until he got these affidavits before Baker turned himself in
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Knineteen : 5/18/2020 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14906321 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Scared straight that hanging out at low security card games in the ghetto when you are a multimillionaire with a lot more to lose than the other people at the table.

Ah, so he's the victim? Good to know.
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ron mexico : 5/18/2020 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14906328 slickwilly said:
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but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.



Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.

I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.



I hear you, I've done many, many dumb things especially at that age in my lifetime. Just think it's a bit extreme to go from no criminal record to armed robbery when you actually "made it" and are in the NFL. It just doesn't add up to me.


If this did go down anything like the initial reports said, I have a feeling it had to do with gambling grievance, and was not just a straight up money heist. Baker felt like he was wronged somehow or that it was his mo way and had a right to forcibly recover it.



*his money, and had a right to forcibly recover it.  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 7:20 pm : link
Fuck I hate posting on an iPhone
He should have just went on Maury Povich.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/18/2020 7:59 pm : link
He would have been scared straight much quicker and for less money.
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djm : 5/18/2020 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14906350 Knineteen said:
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Scared straight that hanging out at low security card games in the ghetto when you are a multimillionaire with a lot more to lose than the other people at the table.


Ah, so he's the victim? Good to know.


What’s worse, calling him a victim or saying “he’s definitely guilty of something.” You’ve got baker signed, sealed and delivered as guilty without knowing a fucking thing. Care to share why?
lawyers are paid advocates. probably well paid in this case. lawyers  
plato : 5/18/2020 10:09 pm : link
usually don’t lie, but don’t tell the truth frequently. the better the lawyer the better they can not tell the truth, but not lie.

So what Bakers lawyer says is good for Baker. The truth, the whole truth, may come put about Baker over time. But do we really know the whole truth about anyone? Maybe my wife who is a very special person. My daughter on the other hand who i love unbelievably, uncircumstantially, unconditionally, and fully, always said “Ask me no questions, I’ll tell you no lies.”. She was right too,

Knowing the truth about people, are they ever scared into a turn, is anything a wake up call, etc? Not really. And in a very real sense my business was about knowing people and I was very good at it.
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barens : 5/18/2020 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14906215 SGMen said:
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the difference between Baker and ex-players like Lewis and Rice, is that no-one ever questioned their work ethic or effort.

True. But Baker is young so I hold out hope he does "wake up" and learn a lesson.

My prayer is the charges are dropped, he makes it to camp, and I'm going to be the NFL suspends him just because they can for 4 games? I just pray is all.


I hope the kid gets his act together as well, that said, I, nor you or anyone here knows what happened. For me, as a fan, I just don't want that on my team that I root for. Too much to ask for me.

There's a point you cross between being a stupid idiot, and something worse than that. If he finds god, a work ethic, and a moral code all at once, than he should consider himself lucky. But I don't have the patience for someone to figure that out while getting paid large sums of $$.
Scared straight enough  
greatgrandpa : 5/19/2020 12:07 am : link
To learn the playbook and give 100 percent?
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