DeAndre Baker's attorney believes the Giants cornerback is the victim of a "shakedown" and is being accused of a crime he did not commit. But he also believes Baker has been "scared straight" by this brush with the law, and will come out of this a better man than he was before.
"He's got an opportunity to become the next Ray Lewis and not the next Ray Rice," attorney Patrick G. Patel said in an exclusive interview with SNY late Sunday night. "There's two guys who went in two different directions. I told DeAndre that. And he seems very focused. He's scared straight. I can say that." |
1. I always thought good lawyers go with the no comment route instead of proclaiming their clients innocence in the media.
2. Why the hell are you comparing Baker's charges to Ray Lewis - who was charged with two counts of murder?
Why would Rice be the cautionary tale that Baker's attorney would choose?
I don't pretend what led him to the trouble he is in and neither do you, but what happened is NOT 'repeated' behavior.
I imagine Baker has had quite the awakening. I doubt he dresses again as a Giant, but hope for the best for him.
What the fuck has Ray Lewis done compared to that.
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Leopards just don't change their spots.
So he's been arrested for robbery and threatening other's with a gun before?
I don't pretend what led him to the trouble he is in and neither do you, but what happened is NOT 'repeated' behavior.
I imagine Baker has had quite the awakening. I doubt he dresses again as a Giant, but hope for the best for him.
I'm talking about his behavior last season. Falling asleep in meetings, dogging it on the field, disrespecting vets (and most likely his coaches, too).
Fuck that noise.
Criminal or not, wrongfully accused or not, it's what he's done on the field that matters to me, and what he's done on the field - and in the meeting room - is a fucking disgrace. Now, I'm supposed to believe that he's been "scared straight?" That he's all of a sudden going to become a model player as well as a model citizen?
As I said, I'll believe that when I see it.
Why would Rice be the cautionary tale that Baker's attorney would choose?
Yeah, I’m mean if he wanted to stick with rays in the example, Rae Carruth would have been a better choice.
That said, it takes an unusual person to change his life path.
We shall see.
Read Ralph's interview with the attorney.
Baker allegedly calling for his masked accomplice to murder someone and the Fast and Furious getaway should be a clue.
This clearly doesn't add up.
Talent is a pretty nebulous word.
Effective, productive or reliable are probably better choices. And to date he has been neither of these.
'Guilty until proven innocent' has become the new law of the land
If the "4 witnesses" actually recanted as to Baker (from what I've read the witnesses allegedly recanted as to Dunbar) you'd think the lawyers would be working with the Police instead of running them down in the press (saying that the case is "complete garbage" and "everything" in the arrest warrant is wrong).
Really fucking weird stance. Usually defense lawyers say something real brief like "My client is innocent of these charges and he will be cooperating with the authorities to get to the truth." But I guess this is the new normal.
If the "4 witnesses" actually recanted as to Baker (from what I've read the witnesses allegedly recanted as to Dunbar) you'd think the lawyers would be working with the Police instead of running them down in the press (saying that the case is "complete garbage" and "everything" in the arrest warrant is wrong).
Really fucking weird stance. Usually defense lawyers say something real brief like "My client is innocent of these charges and he will be cooperating with the authorities to get to the truth." But I guess this is the new normal.
Here’s an open question: In this day and age, are you (editorial you) saying, that no one took a phone video of whatever transpired, which might put the lie or truth to this entire mess?
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me naive, but the original story never made sense (a multi-millionaire robbing people at a house party). Now we have four witnesses who have recanted their testimony. A shakedown makes more sense.
Baker allegedly calling for his masked accomplice to murder someone and the Fast and Furious getaway should be a clue.
This clearly doesn't add up.
Doesn’t sound completely unfeasible either, at least to me.
Things get heated at a high stakes game, not impossible
Baker brought a gun to the game, he has a concealed carry permit so this is likely.
Telling some one to shoot another person, probably just tough talk
The getaway is what it is. Three guys came in three cars and left in three cars.
yup
Ray Lewis killed someone and got away with it and is an asshole. I don't think that's the right model to shoot for....
“He seems like a changed individual. In two days. Sometimes going to jail does that. He’s scared straight."
Oh, so he IS (was?) a crook, or at least a fuck-up and an asshole, who DOES need to change his ways. Even assuming charges are dropped, we never learn the full story, and the gun was legal, gambling and drink and guns are not a good look. That shit's dangerous.
I don't know if the guy is guilty or innocent. I wasn't there. Last summer - I'll admit I wasn't impressed with him in practice or through the first part of the season -- but he had terrible coaches on an awful team and he still improved over the course of the season. I'm not ready to give up on a first rounder with his natural abilities without more evidence that he's just no good on the field - especially if he's innocent.
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...before there's even been an indictment.
If the "4 witnesses" actually recanted as to Baker (from what I've read the witnesses allegedly recanted as to Dunbar) you'd think the lawyers would be working with the Police instead of running them down in the press (saying that the case is "complete garbage" and "everything" in the arrest warrant is wrong).
Really fucking weird stance. Usually defense lawyers say something real brief like "My client is innocent of these charges and he will be cooperating with the authorities to get to the truth." But I guess this is the new normal.
Here’s an open question: In this day and age, are you (editorial you) saying, that no one took a phone video of whatever transpired, which might put the lie or truth to this entire mess?
If someone’s got a gun drawn in close quarters, I’m not gonna pull out my cell phone and give him a reason to shoot.
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...before there's even been an indictment.
If the "4 witnesses" actually recanted as to Baker (from what I've read the witnesses allegedly recanted as to Dunbar) you'd think the lawyers would be working with the Police instead of running them down in the press (saying that the case is "complete garbage" and "everything" in the arrest warrant is wrong).
Really fucking weird stance. Usually defense lawyers say something real brief like "My client is innocent of these charges and he will be cooperating with the authorities to get to the truth." But I guess this is the new normal.
Here’s an open question: In this day and age, are you (editorial you) saying, that no one took a phone video of whatever transpired, which might put the lie or truth to this entire mess?
If someone’s got a gun drawn in close quarters, I’m not gonna pull out my cell phone and give him a reason to shoot.
Ron, since when has that stopped anyone in today’s world of filmimg everything. Not buying. I certainly wouldn’t take my phone out, but others? Nowadays?
What the fuck has Ray Lewis done compared to that.
The picture I got was there was a bigger party with a smaller group in one room gambling
That’s pretty speculative though.
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at this party, fine. I can buy that. But if there were many? Not buying.
The picture I got was there was a bigger party with a smaller group in one room gambling
That’s pretty speculative though.
According to Dave just above, his lawyer said there are videos. We’ll see.
Well it’s the defense who says there is a video, not the prosecution
I wonder what Coach Judge thinks about him not be involved in conferences even before this? I know it is voluntary but with new coach not real smart.
I also think these are 21-22 year old kids with a lot of money and a lot of free time on their hands, which is a recipe for disaster.
I have mixed feelings about Baker because as a selfish fan, I want him to play and succeed. I also think its unfair that people of prominence who commit crimes are given a much lighter touch than those not as privileged.
If Baker weren't our starting cornerback, I think know one would give a rats ass about this dispute and would assume he is guilty of what he is charged of.
Baker better get his career back, he'll need the dough to cover his attorney fees.
As for scared straight I'm skeptical.
Although the bulk of the red flags were about maturity, work ethic, and entitlement, things understandable enough in a young highly talented athlete. Still, he doesn't seem to fit what DG claimed to be doing in the locker room, nor the type of smart and versatile player Patrick Graham and Joe Judge are looking for.
Whatever the outcome of the criminal case, I'm betting he will be released by the Giants.
To keep it out of evidence.
So maybe leave it with your lawyer. Forever.
I wonder what Coach Judge thinks about him not be involved in conferences even before this? I know it is voluntary but with new coach not real smart.
several witnesses have recanted, so either the whole thing was a shakedown or the witnesses have received an offer they cant refuse
But if this truely scarded him straight then I am glad for that. No need for anymore sensless violence in this world.
Feel like an old man saying this but it feels like 20-25 year olds are progresing into 15 year olds these days. Seems to me less and less understand how real things are.
I tried to use it in college when I got caught peeing off a balcony and was threatened with expulsion from campus.
Didn't work out for the pjcas18 legal team (which included such high priced well known mock litigators such as pjcas18), I hope Baker fares better.
This guy is saying he never did anything to begin with.
I m betting Mr. Baker is starting for the New York Football Giants this season.
People rush to judge, they might have been wrong this time.
I m betting Mr. Baker is starting for the New York Football Giants this season.
People rush to judge, they might have been wrong this time.
I’ll take that bet. At least against starting week one.
LOL....Good one Doc!
1. I always thought good lawyers go with the no comment route instead of proclaiming their clients innocence in the media.
2. Why the hell are you comparing Baker's charges to Ray Lewis - who was charged with two counts of murder?
If you followed the story, they were trying to go the no comment route but due to how big this got in the media he had to release a statement in order to quell the “mob” who were trying to crucify him. Has nothing to do with how good or bad a lawyer is, this is a terrible statement
Why would Rice be the cautionary tale that Baker's attorney would choose?
I was thinking the same thing. Rice has avoided any other controversy and would probably have retired with fanfare if it weren't for video surfacing.
This lawyer has sounded like a dipshit all along
If I had to guess, and this is a complete guess.
Baker won a pig pot and the guys didn’t Want to pony up. So he intimidated them into paying up with the watches.
I m betting Mr. Baker is starting for the New York Football Giants this season.
People rush to judge, they might have been wrong this time.
This after the accusers found a dozen roses and a big black duffle bag on their front porch.
Ray Lewis is the last person I would use !
Aside from this incident his behavior last year and in this off season are very questionable. Retaining him sends a very bad message w/r/t the new attitude JJ wants to install.
However he may still have talent and if he is innocent, DG may be able to recoup a small part of what he paid for this immature ball player.
Dunbar: I wasn't involved in this incident. Here are new statements from the witnesses that clear me.
Baker: Nothing criminal happened. Here are statements from other witnesses to contradict the witnesses the police relied upon.
Dunbar is in very good shape here unless the witnesses claim they were harassed or coerced into new statements. Or if prosecutors think he was an accomplice even if witnesses didn't know that (planning, helping them escape, etc).
Baker not quite as good but anytime witnesses start changing significant parts of their stories it ain't good and prosecutors could decide it's not worth pursuing particularly if the victims are unsympathetic characters.
Ray Lewis is a piece of shit
I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.
I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.
Yes. Starting to look like a wrong place at the wrong time thing. He was stupid to be there, but didn't do anything.
I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.
The prosecutor requested that he not be let out on bail.
That’s the opposite not requiring bail.
The NFL suspended him for 10 games and had enough evidence to make it as long as they wanted. I think the maximum Baker might get from the league (if he's cleared) is 4 games, with 2 not being out of the question.
Drebin: LOOK! It's the missing evidence in the Jones murder. Smith WAS innocent!
Captain Hocken: He went to the chair 6 years ago Frank.
Judge wasn't even the coach of the Giants at that time. How would it be on him? Do you think DG consulted with him on a draft pick just in case he wound up leaving the Patriots a year later to become head coach for the Giants?
Yes, we should blame Judge. Maybe Belichick and the whole New England franchise while we are at it.
Supposedly it's a traveling dice game that was at the center of everything. Also, Dunbar's attorney is a state rep in Florida and actually worked side-by-side with the lead Detective when he was a former prosecutor
another brilliant take. ugh.
My prayer is the charges are dropped, he makes it to camp, and I'm going to be the NFL suspends him just because they can for 4 games? I just pray is all.
It was not a reach. He was the #1 rated CB in the draft. Giving a 4th and a 5th is chump change.
You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?
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Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.
You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?
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Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.
You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?
Thanks for clearing that up for, I can see nothing gets passed you.
No problem. Glad I could help....
When the story first came out none of us could believe how stupid he was and it's the most idiotic thing we ever heard. A shakedown makes it more "normal".
He's clearly guilty of something. What he gets convicted of is the real question.
He's clearly guilty of something. What he gets convicted of is the real question.
Scared straight that hanging out at low security card games in the ghetto when you are a multimillionaire with a lot more to lose than the other people at the table.
Patel is a Jersey attorney. Cohen is Florida attorney.
Ralph's story says Patel is Baker's "other" attorney.
Link is to Patel's website. I find it somewhat amusing that his profile page has a clip from a 1989 article in the Hudson Dispatch describing him as a "29 year old powerhouse."
That would be OK if it were part of a history leading to the present. But no, that's it, one clip from 1989.
For "Representative Cases", we get "Under construction."
The domain name for his website is "201injurylaw.com."
So, we'll see.
That's Patel with one L - ( New Window )
Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.
I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.
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but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.
Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.
I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.
I hear you, I've done many, many dumb things especially at that age in my lifetime. Just think it's a bit extreme to go from no criminal record to armed robbery when you actually "made it" and are in the NFL. It just doesn't add up to me.
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his lawyer may not be that good.
1. I always thought good lawyers go with the no comment route instead of proclaiming their clients innocence in the media.
2. Why the hell are you comparing Baker's charges to Ray Lewis - who was charged with two counts of murder?
If you followed the story, they were trying to go the no comment route but due to how big this got in the media he had to release a statement in order to quell the “mob” who were trying to crucify him. Has nothing to do with how good or bad a lawyer is, this is a terrible statement
Part of handling high profile legal cases is having a comms strategy to deal with the media. So I disagree a bit.
Ah, so he's the victim? Good to know.
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but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.
Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.
I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.
I hear you, I've done many, many dumb things especially at that age in my lifetime. Just think it's a bit extreme to go from no criminal record to armed robbery when you actually "made it" and are in the NFL. It just doesn't add up to me.
If this did go down anything like the initial reports said, I have a feeling it had to do with gambling grievance, and was not just a straight up money heist. Baker felt like he was wronged somehow or that it was his mo way and had a right to forcibly recover it.
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Scared straight that hanging out at low security card games in the ghetto when you are a multimillionaire with a lot more to lose than the other people at the table.
Ah, so he's the victim? Good to know.
What’s worse, calling him a victim or saying “he’s definitely guilty of something.” You’ve got baker signed, sealed and delivered as guilty without knowing a fucking thing. Care to share why?
So what Bakers lawyer says is good for Baker. The truth, the whole truth, may come put about Baker over time. But do we really know the whole truth about anyone? Maybe my wife who is a very special person. My daughter on the other hand who i love unbelievably, uncircumstantially, unconditionally, and fully, always said “Ask me no questions, I’ll tell you no lies.”. She was right too,
Knowing the truth about people, are they ever scared into a turn, is anything a wake up call, etc? Not really. And in a very real sense my business was about knowing people and I was very good at it.
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the difference between Baker and ex-players like Lewis and Rice, is that no-one ever questioned their work ethic or effort.
True. But Baker is young so I hold out hope he does "wake up" and learn a lesson.
My prayer is the charges are dropped, he makes it to camp, and I'm going to be the NFL suspends him just because they can for 4 games? I just pray is all.
I hope the kid gets his act together as well, that said, I, nor you or anyone here knows what happened. For me, as a fan, I just don't want that on my team that I root for. Too much to ask for me.
There's a point you cross between being a stupid idiot, and something worse than that. If he finds god, a work ethic, and a moral code all at once, than he should consider himself lucky. But I don't have the patience for someone to figure that out while getting paid large sums of $$.