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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/18/2020 10:48 am
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DeAndre Baker's attorney believes the Giants cornerback is the victim of a "shakedown" and is being accused of a crime he did not commit. But he also believes Baker has been "scared straight" by this brush with the law, and will come out of this a better man than he was before.

"He's got an opportunity to become the next Ray Lewis and not the next Ray Rice," attorney Patrick G. Patel said in an exclusive interview with SNY late Sunday night. "There's two guys who went in two different directions. I told DeAndre that. And he seems very focused. He's scared straight. I can say that."

DeAndre Baker's the victim of a 'shakedown,' says Giant cornerback's attorney - ( New Window )
The difference it  
cjac : 5/18/2020 10:51 am : link
Ray Lewis and Ray Rice were both good players
Ray Lewis?  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2020 10:52 am : link
Ray Lewis?
I've got to say  
Giantsfan79 : 5/18/2020 10:52 am : link
his lawyer may not be that good.

1. I always thought good lawyers go with the no comment route instead of proclaiming their clients innocence in the media.

2. Why the hell are you comparing Baker's charges to Ray Lewis - who was charged with two counts of murder?
First time i ever heard anyone confuse O.J. Simpson with Ray Lewis  
Ivan15 : 5/18/2020 10:55 am : link
.
Impossible for anyone  
JB_in_DC : 5/18/2020 10:55 am : link
on the outside to know what really happened there or what is inside Baker's heart. But hoping this report is true - he's just 22 years old.
I'll believe it when I see it.  
Klaatu : 5/18/2020 10:59 am : link
Leopards just don't change their spots.
Celebrity cases require media management  
BillT : 5/18/2020 11:02 am : link
So his lawyer is doing the right thing in making at least part of his case in the media. The initial story we heard made very little sense but that doesn’t mean Baker is completely innocent or the victim of a shakedown but you never know.
Am I missing something?  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/18/2020 11:04 am : link
Ray Rice was effectively banished from the NFL because the optics of what he did made the PR headache for any team not worth it for a player that was starting to look like he was on the downside of his career anyway. But besides that, hasn't Rice been a model citizen ever since, including work on domestic violence awareness campaigns and now coaching high school football?

Why would Rice be the cautionary tale that Baker's attorney would choose?
RE: I'll believe it when I see it.  
x meadowlander : 5/18/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 14905886 Klaatu said:
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Leopards just don't change their spots.
So he's been arrested for robbery and threatening other's with a gun before?

I don't pretend what led him to the trouble he is in and neither do you, but what happened is NOT 'repeated' behavior.

I imagine Baker has had quite the awakening. I doubt he dresses again as a Giant, but hope for the best for him.
He's so scared that he  
Silver Spoon : 5/18/2020 11:11 am : link
would even attend virtual meetings AND stay awake.
Call  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/18/2020 11:12 am : link
me naive, but the original story never made sense (a multi-millionaire robbing people at a house party). Now we have four witnesses who have recanted their testimony. A shakedown makes more sense.
Um, WTF with running down Ray Rice?  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/18/2020 11:15 am : link
The guy did a total mea culpa, went to therapy, has done tones of charity including for domestic abuse victims and works with kids in his hometown in New Rochelle.

What the fuck has Ray Lewis done compared to that.
Eric- I agree with you  
Dave on the UWS : 5/18/2020 11:18 am : link
I rushed to judge him right away like many. But my wife the lawyer said “hold on”. She then postulated a slew of questions, many I’ve been reading about here. None of us really knows. Guilty, innocent, suspension, cut - who knows! I will say that I can buy that 2 nights in the slammer scared the crap out of him. Gaining maturity is not a given and never easy. If he is innocent, this may benefit him greatly for the rest of his life.
RE: RE: I'll believe it when I see it.  
Klaatu : 5/18/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 14905897 x meadowlander said:
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In comment 14905886 Klaatu said:


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Leopards just don't change their spots.

So he's been arrested for robbery and threatening other's with a gun before?

I don't pretend what led him to the trouble he is in and neither do you, but what happened is NOT 'repeated' behavior.

I imagine Baker has had quite the awakening. I doubt he dresses again as a Giant, but hope for the best for him.


I'm talking about his behavior last season. Falling asleep in meetings, dogging it on the field, disrespecting vets (and most likely his coaches, too).

Fuck that noise.

Criminal or not, wrongfully accused or not, it's what he's done on the field that matters to me, and what he's done on the field - and in the meeting room - is a fucking disgrace. Now, I'm supposed to believe that he's been "scared straight?" That he's all of a sudden going to become a model player as well as a model citizen?

As I said, I'll believe that when I see it.
RE: Call  
Des51 : 5/18/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 14905903 Eric from BBI said:
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me naive, but the original story never made sense (a multi-millionaire robbing people at a house party). Now we have four witnesses who have recanted their testimony. A shakedown makes more sense.
Agree, I am beginning to believe his accusers were looking for a payday.
To say Baker is not talented at this point in his career  
Simms11 : 5/18/2020 11:24 am : link
is a ridiculous statement. He has skill, but he’s got to mature and learn how to practice and prepare harder. I’m all for giving him the shadow of a doubt. Sometimes it takes a few years for CBs to really learn the game and become effective. I have to say that the original story came as a shock and I sure hope it all works out ok.
RE: Am I missing something?  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 11:26 am : link
In comment 14905890 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Ray Rice was effectively banished from the NFL because the optics of what he did made the PR headache for any team not worth it for a player that was starting to look like he was on the downside of his career anyway. But besides that, hasn't Rice been a model citizen ever since, including work on domestic violence awareness campaigns and now coaching high school football?

Why would Rice be the cautionary tale that Baker's attorney would choose?


Yeah, I’m mean if he wanted to stick with rays in the example, Rae Carruth would have been a better choice.
A few other  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/18/2020 11:27 am : link
BBI posters posted this earlier, but if Baker truly does get scared straight from this, this might be end up being a good thing for him personally and professionally.

That said, it takes an unusual person to change his life path.

We shall see.

Read Ralph's interview with the attorney.
RE: Call  
christian : 5/18/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 14905903 Eric from BBI said:
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me naive, but the original story never made sense (a multi-millionaire robbing people at a house party). Now we have four witnesses who have recanted their testimony. A shakedown makes more sense.


Baker allegedly calling for his masked accomplice to murder someone and the Fast and Furious getaway should be a clue.

This clearly doesn't add up.
RE: To say Baker is not talented at this point in his career  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 11:31 am : link
In comment 14905920 Simms11 said:
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is a ridiculous statement. He has skill, but he’s got to mature and learn how to practice and prepare harder. I’m all for giving him the shadow of a doubt. Sometimes it takes a few years for CBs to really learn the game and become effective. I have to say that the original story came as a shock and I sure hope it all works out ok.


Talent is a pretty nebulous word.

Effective, productive or reliable are probably better choices. And to date he has been neither of these.
The good news is that per usual,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2020 11:33 am : link
no one jumped to any conclusions on the original threads, so that’s comforting.
RE: The good news is that per usual,  
Giants in 07 : 5/18/2020 11:37 am : link
In comment 14905932 Big Blue '56 said:
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no one jumped to any conclusions on the original threads, so that’s comforting.


'Guilty until proven innocent' has become the new law of the land
What's weird is the amount of chirping these lawyers are doing  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/18/2020 11:39 am : link
...before there's even been an indictment.

If the "4 witnesses" actually recanted as to Baker (from what I've read the witnesses allegedly recanted as to Dunbar) you'd think the lawyers would be working with the Police instead of running them down in the press (saying that the case is "complete garbage" and "everything" in the arrest warrant is wrong).

Really fucking weird stance. Usually defense lawyers say something real brief like "My client is innocent of these charges and he will be cooperating with the authorities to get to the truth." But I guess this is the new normal.
RE: What's weird is the amount of chirping these lawyers are doing  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2020 11:42 am : link
In comment 14905942 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...before there's even been an indictment.

If the "4 witnesses" actually recanted as to Baker (from what I've read the witnesses allegedly recanted as to Dunbar) you'd think the lawyers would be working with the Police instead of running them down in the press (saying that the case is "complete garbage" and "everything" in the arrest warrant is wrong).

Really fucking weird stance. Usually defense lawyers say something real brief like "My client is innocent of these charges and he will be cooperating with the authorities to get to the truth." But I guess this is the new normal.


Here’s an open question: In this day and age, are you (editorial you) saying, that no one took a phone video of whatever transpired, which might put the lie or truth to this entire mess?
RE: RE: Call  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 11:43 am : link
In comment 14905928 christian said:
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In comment 14905903 Eric from BBI said:


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me naive, but the original story never made sense (a multi-millionaire robbing people at a house party). Now we have four witnesses who have recanted their testimony. A shakedown makes more sense.



Baker allegedly calling for his masked accomplice to murder someone and the Fast and Furious getaway should be a clue.

This clearly doesn't add up.


Doesn’t sound completely unfeasible either, at least to me.

Things get heated at a high stakes game, not impossible

Baker brought a gun to the game, he has a concealed carry permit so this is likely.

Telling some one to shoot another person, probably just tough talk

The getaway is what it is. Three guys came in three cars and left in three cars.
Right he  
XBRONX : 5/18/2020 11:49 am : link
is going to take back moms Bentley,buy her a cheaper car and invest the money for her. Right.
RE: Call  
Victor in CT : 5/18/2020 11:52 am : link
In comment 14905903 Eric from BBI said:
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me naive, but the original story never made sense (a multi-millionaire robbing people at a house party). Now we have four witnesses who have recanted their testimony. A shakedown makes more sense.


yup
The lawyer is confused on Ray Lewis and Ray Rice  
ZogZerg : 5/18/2020 11:54 am : link
Ray Rice was a model NFL player, going out his way to help the local community and others. He made a major blunder while he was intoxicated that did not involve a fire arm.

Ray Lewis killed someone and got away with it and is an asshole. I don't think that's the right model to shoot for....
I think he's got a shitty lawyer  
lugnut : 5/18/2020 11:54 am : link
Not sure how you try to discredit allegations, call stuff a shakedown, and more generally want to portray your client as innocent. And then say this:

“He seems like a changed individual. In two days. Sometimes going to jail does that. He’s scared straight."

Oh, so he IS (was?) a crook, or at least a fuck-up and an asshole, who DOES need to change his ways. Even assuming charges are dropped, we never learn the full story, and the gun was legal, gambling and drink and guns are not a good look. That shit's dangerous.
Putting aside actual guilt or innocence  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/18/2020 11:55 am : link
the PR optics of the Warrant and the description of what was alleged was very damning, and a fair amount of folks here effectively demonstrated that it had caused harm to his reputation. The only way to combat that harm is through a PR effort to discredit the harmful narrative. That is what is taking place, and it is obviously necessary. There are still BBIers that want him thrown off the team. I mean really -- no one here knows what took place but given the initial reports a fair amount were angrily ready to hang the guy and/or boot him to another state or team.


I don't know if the guy is guilty or innocent. I wasn't there. Last summer - I'll admit I wasn't impressed with him in practice or through the first part of the season -- but he had terrible coaches on an awful team and he still improved over the course of the season. I'm not ready to give up on a first rounder with his natural abilities without more evidence that he's just no good on the field - especially if he's innocent.

BB56  
PaulN : 5/18/2020 11:58 am : link
I think the chirping is an attempt to win the public perception, it may or may not be effective, but I believe that is the case. The attorney has to win the case, but also help Baker keep his career. Amazing all the people who have jumped to conclusions don't even know the due process.
RE: RE: What's weird is the amount of chirping these lawyers are doing  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14905947 Big Blue '56 said:
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...before there's even been an indictment.

If the "4 witnesses" actually recanted as to Baker (from what I've read the witnesses allegedly recanted as to Dunbar) you'd think the lawyers would be working with the Police instead of running them down in the press (saying that the case is "complete garbage" and "everything" in the arrest warrant is wrong).

Really fucking weird stance. Usually defense lawyers say something real brief like "My client is innocent of these charges and he will be cooperating with the authorities to get to the truth." But I guess this is the new normal.



Here’s an open question: In this day and age, are you (editorial you) saying, that no one took a phone video of whatever transpired, which might put the lie or truth to this entire mess?


If someone’s got a gun drawn in close quarters, I’m not gonna pull out my cell phone and give him a reason to shoot.
Ron  
afann : 5/18/2020 12:12 pm : link
Maybe there is no video because it never happened. I know his lawyer said they have one so who knows.
RE: RE: RE: What's weird is the amount of chirping these lawyers are doing  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2020 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14905967 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14905947 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 14905942 sb from NYT Forum said:


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...before there's even been an indictment.

If the "4 witnesses" actually recanted as to Baker (from what I've read the witnesses allegedly recanted as to Dunbar) you'd think the lawyers would be working with the Police instead of running them down in the press (saying that the case is "complete garbage" and "everything" in the arrest warrant is wrong).

Really fucking weird stance. Usually defense lawyers say something real brief like "My client is innocent of these charges and he will be cooperating with the authorities to get to the truth." But I guess this is the new normal.



Here’s an open question: In this day and age, are you (editorial you) saying, that no one took a phone video of whatever transpired, which might put the lie or truth to this entire mess?



If someone’s got a gun drawn in close quarters, I’m not gonna pull out my cell phone and give him a reason to shoot.


Ron, since when has that stopped anyone in today’s world of filmimg everything. Not buying. I certainly wouldn’t take my phone out, but others? Nowadays?
That said, if there were only a few people  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2020 12:14 pm : link
at this party, fine. I can buy that. But if there were many? Not buying.
RE: Um, WTF with running down Ray Rice?  
Sonic Youth : 5/18/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14905907 sb from NYT Forum said:
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The guy did a total mea culpa, went to therapy, has done tones of charity including for domestic abuse victims and works with kids in his hometown in New Rochelle.

What the fuck has Ray Lewis done compared to that.
Yeah, that really rubbed me the wrong way
His lawyer mentioned  
Dave on the UWS : 5/18/2020 12:20 pm : link
they have video and the affidavits. Gidie is right, we don’t know, but a lot of us (me included) took the “guilty until proven innocent” path. I’m kind of embarrassed, I know better. Apparently, the team has been appraised, let’s see where it goes. Who knows what the league and the team will do. Different people need different types of wakeup calls.
"Scared Straight' for these Einsteins....  
MOOPS : 5/18/2020 12:23 pm : link
has a shelf life of about a week. By June he'll be back to ballin.
Scared SHITLESS..  
Goin Deep : 5/18/2020 12:24 pm : link
is more like it!
RE: That said, if there were only a few people  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14905979 Big Blue '56 said:
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at this party, fine. I can buy that. But if there were many? Not buying.


The picture I got was there was a bigger party with a smaller group in one room gambling

That’s pretty speculative though.
RE: RE: That said, if there were only a few people  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2020 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14905997 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14905979 Big Blue '56 said:


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at this party, fine. I can buy that. But if there were many? Not buying.



The picture I got was there was a bigger party with a smaller group in one room gambling

That’s pretty speculative though.


According to Dave just above, his lawyer said there are videos. We’ll see.
RE: Ron  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14905977 afann said:
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Maybe there is no video because it never happened. I know his lawyer said they have one so who knows.


Well it’s the defense who says there is a video, not the prosecution
Scared - you know whose scared!  
yatitle14 : 5/18/2020 12:33 pm : link
He grew up in Liberty City - south Miami, anyone who knows that area knows about crime and criminals. I'm sure those that made allegations - true or untrue are scared to death..they've been told to back off.
I wonder what Coach Judge thinks about him not be involved in conferences even before this? I know it is voluntary but with new coach not real smart.
my intuition tells me  
CMicks3110 : 5/18/2020 12:39 pm : link
that the original story was true. It usually is the case because no one wants to lie to the cops.

I also think these are 21-22 year old kids with a lot of money and a lot of free time on their hands, which is a recipe for disaster.

I have mixed feelings about Baker because as a selfish fan, I want him to play and succeed. I also think its unfair that people of prominence who commit crimes are given a much lighter touch than those not as privileged.

If Baker weren't our starting cornerback, I think know one would give a rats ass about this dispute and would assume he is guilty of what he is charged of.
No one has question this lawyer quoted by Ralph  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/18/2020 12:40 pm : link
is someone new? From Lawyer Cohen that represented him at the initial preceding to this Patrick G. Patel fellow?

Baker better get his career back, he'll need the dough to cover his attorney fees.

As for scared straight I'm skeptical.

Although the bulk of the red flags were about maturity, work ethic, and entitlement, things understandable enough in a young highly talented athlete. Still, he doesn't seem to fit what DG claimed to be doing in the locker room, nor the type of smart and versatile player Patrick Graham and Joe Judge are looking for.

Whatever the outcome of the criminal case, I'm betting he will be released by the Giants.
Scared straight but  
David B. : 5/18/2020 12:41 pm : link
wants to keep his gun.

To keep it out of evidence.

So maybe leave it with your lawyer. Forever.
RE: Scared - you know whose scared!  
uther99 : 5/18/2020 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14906003 yatitle14 said:
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He grew up in Liberty City - south Miami, anyone who knows that area knows about crime and criminals. I'm sure those that made allegations - true or untrue are scared to death..they've been told to back off.
I wonder what Coach Judge thinks about him not be involved in conferences even before this? I know it is voluntary but with new coach not real smart.


several witnesses have recanted, so either the whole thing was a shakedown or the witnesses have received an offer they cant refuse
Wether or not he plays in the nfl  
Dankbeerman : 5/18/2020 12:45 pm : link
or for the giants again I dont care.

But if this truely scarded him straight then I am glad for that. No need for anymore sensless violence in this world.

Feel like an old man saying this but it feels like 20-25 year olds are progresing into 15 year olds these days. Seems to me less and less understand how real things are.
The scared straight defense  
pjcas18 : 5/18/2020 12:46 pm : link
nice. I wonder if he pulls it off.

I tried to use it in college when I got caught peeing off a balcony and was threatened with expulsion from campus.

Didn't work out for the pjcas18 legal team (which included such high priced well known mock litigators such as pjcas18), I hope Baker fares better.
Doesn't "scared straight"  
cjac : 5/18/2020 12:47 pm : link
mean you were crooked at some point?

This guy is saying he never did anything to begin with.
Better analogy at this time is  
morrison40 : 5/18/2020 12:53 pm : link
Mark Ingram, until proven otherwise
I just heard on Maggie and Moose  
joeinpa : 5/18/2020 12:53 pm : link
That his original accusers have totally reversed their story

I m betting Mr. Baker is starting for the New York Football Giants this season.

People rush to judge, they might have been wrong this time.
RE: I just heard on Maggie and Moose  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14906023 joeinpa said:
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That his original accusers have totally reversed their story

I m betting Mr. Baker is starting for the New York Football Giants this season.

People rush to judge, they might have been wrong this time.


I’ll take that bet. At least against starting week one.
RE: The good news is that per usual,  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14905932 Big Blue '56 said:
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no one jumped to any conclusions on the original threads, so that’s comforting.

LOL....Good one Doc!
RE: I've got to say  
tyrik13 : 5/18/2020 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14905877 Giantsfan79 said:
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his lawyer may not be that good.

1. I always thought good lawyers go with the no comment route instead of proclaiming their clients innocence in the media.

2. Why the hell are you comparing Baker's charges to Ray Lewis - who was charged with two counts of murder?


If you followed the story, they were trying to go the no comment route but due to how big this got in the media he had to release a statement in order to quell the “mob” who were trying to crucify him. Has nothing to do with how good or bad a lawyer is, this is a terrible statement
Sometimes you have to come close to losing something  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/18/2020 1:12 pm : link
to appreciate it. Especially for athletes who have had smoke blown up their @ss since they were young. Hopefully, this experience makes him more focused on what matters and his career. He won't be the first immature kid to wander into the NFL that needed to have his butt kicked to understand life.
Seems  
afann : 5/18/2020 1:32 pm : link
To me that Baker won. To match the pot the other folks put in the watch’s and whatever else they had. Pissed these other guys say to themselves F—K these NFL guys, call the cops and say we were robbed
RE: Am I missing something?  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/18/2020 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14905890 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Ray Rice was effectively banished from the NFL because the optics of what he did made the PR headache for any team not worth it for a player that was starting to look like he was on the downside of his career anyway. But besides that, hasn't Rice been a model citizen ever since, including work on domestic violence awareness campaigns and now coaching high school football?

Why would Rice be the cautionary tale that Baker's attorney would choose?


I was thinking the same thing. Rice has avoided any other controversy and would probably have retired with fanfare if it weren't for video surfacing.

This lawyer has sounded like a dipshit all along
RE: Seems  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14906061 afann said:
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To me that Baker won. To match the pot the other folks put in the watch’s and whatever else they had. Pissed these other guys say to themselves F—K these NFL guys, call the cops and say we were robbed


If I had to guess, and this is a complete guess.

Baker won a pig pot and the guys didn’t Want to pony up. So he intimidated them into paying up with the watches.
RE: I just heard on Maggie and Moose  
Silver Spoon : 5/18/2020 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14906023 joeinpa said:
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That his original accusers have totally reversed their story

I m betting Mr. Baker is starting for the New York Football Giants this season.

People rush to judge, they might have been wrong this time.


This after the accusers found a dozen roses and a big black duffle bag on their front porch.
RE: Ray Lewis?  
Bluesbreaker : 5/18/2020 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14905875 Big Blue '56 said:
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Ray Lewis?


Ray Lewis is the last person I would use !
Ron  
afann : 5/18/2020 1:58 pm : link
Yes, then they called the cops because their feelings were hurt
Releasing and Trading are 2 different things  
KeoweeFan : 5/18/2020 2:01 pm : link
Clearly DeAndre is not in the JJ mold.
Aside from this incident his behavior last year and in this off season are very questionable. Retaining him sends a very bad message w/r/t the new attitude JJ wants to install.

However he may still have talent and if he is innocent, DG may be able to recoup a small part of what he paid for this immature ball player.
Like others have mentioned,  
barens : 5/18/2020 2:09 pm : link
the difference between Baker and ex-players like Lewis and Rice, is that no-one ever questioned their work ethic or effort.
If he  
afann : 5/18/2020 2:20 pm : link
Gets cleared I high doubt the Giants cut him. Just my opinion.
seems like Dunbar and Baker  
bluepepper : 5/18/2020 2:26 pm : link
have different defenses. This is just based on news reports so I could be completely wrong.

Dunbar: I wasn't involved in this incident. Here are new statements from the witnesses that clear me.

Baker: Nothing criminal happened. Here are statements from other witnesses to contradict the witnesses the police relied upon.

Dunbar is in very good shape here unless the witnesses claim they were harassed or coerced into new statements. Or if prosecutors think he was an accomplice even if witnesses didn't know that (planning, helping them escape, etc).

Baker not quite as good but anytime witnesses start changing significant parts of their stories it ain't good and prosecutors could decide it's not worth pursuing particularly if the victims are unsympathetic characters.
.  
MOOPS : 5/18/2020 2:31 pm : link
Ray Rice  
Mr. Nickels : 5/18/2020 2:33 pm : link
is a good person

Ray Lewis is a piece of shit
I agree that the story didn't add up from the beginning...  
Damon : 5/18/2020 2:44 pm : link
However, seems like the attorney is doing everything he can to persuade the Giants from cutting Baker outright... Gotta get every cent he can. This is PR that sounds more like agent speak than defense lawyer...
Guys  
Dragon : 5/18/2020 3:05 pm : link
The warrants were put out on those three if someone else pulled a gun or did any threatening why have we not heard anything about them. Yes we were not there but getting robbed is very easy to see can’t believe that’s very hard to mistake. I will say this if only he had stayed at home as most are being directed to these days no problems. Will he ever play in the NFL again who knows but I would hope law enforcement is better than this dog poop is starting to look.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/18/2020 3:19 pm : link
Plus no bail requested by the state prosecutor?

I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.
RE: ...  
Victor in CT : 5/18/2020 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14906151 Eric from BBI said:
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Plus no bail requested by the state prosecutor?

I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.


Yes. Starting to look like a wrong place at the wrong time thing. He was stupid to be there, but didn't do anything.
RE: ...  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14906151 Eric from BBI said:
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Plus no bail requested by the state prosecutor?

I'm starting to think that Deandre's biggest challenge at the point is the NFL front office.


The prosecutor requested that he not be let out on bail.

That’s the opposite not requiring bail.
Eric..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/18/2020 3:26 pm : link
I mentioned this last night as a benchmark. Greg Hardy was actually found guilty of aggravated assault and on appeal the case was thrown out because the witness was paid off not to testify.

The NFL suspended him for 10 games and had enough evidence to make it as long as they wanted. I think the maximum Baker might get from the league (if he's cleared) is 4 games, with 2 not being out of the question.
ron mexico  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/18/2020 3:30 pm : link
My bad. I misinterpreted it.
He'll have to convince the other Judge  
ColHowPepper : 5/18/2020 3:34 pm : link
that he's justified in not recommending that DG waive him
Maybe scared straight just means he was in a cell with some guys from  
Spider56 : 5/18/2020 3:38 pm : link
Deliverance ?
The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
TMS : 5/18/2020 3:54 pm : link
in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.
RE: .  
Victor in CT : 5/18/2020 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14906113 MOOPS said:
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Drebin: LOOK! It's the missing evidence in the Jones murder. Smith WAS innocent!

Captain Hocken: He went to the chair 6 years ago Frank.
RE: The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/18/2020 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14906187 TMS said:
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in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.

Judge wasn't even the coach of the Giants at that time. How would it be on him? Do you think DG consulted with him on a draft pick just in case he wound up leaving the Patriots a year later to become head coach for the Giants?
RE: The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
LBH15 : 5/18/2020 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14906187 TMS said:
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in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.


Yes, we should blame Judge. Maybe Belichick and the whole New England franchise while we are at it.
I just listened to the segment on Moose and Maggie  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
They had the CBS legal expert on and she stated unequivocally that there is no case against Baker. That the witnesses who made the claims against him are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying he had not done this. The affidavits were signed prior to Baker turning himself in. Also, another witness (the guy who set the game up) testified to police that Baker and Dunbar did nothing wrong which they, in turn, failed to mention to the Prosecutors.

Supposedly it's a traveling dice game that was at the center of everything. Also, Dunbar's attorney is a state rep in Florida and actually worked side-by-side with the lead Detective when he was a former prosecutor
RE: The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
Victor in CT : 5/18/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14906187 TMS said:
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in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.


another brilliant take. ugh.
RE: Like others have mentioned,  
SGMen : 5/18/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14906100 barens said:
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the difference between Baker and ex-players like Lewis and Rice, is that no-one ever questioned their work ethic or effort.
True. But Baker is young so I hold out hope he does "wake up" and learn a lesson.

My prayer is the charges are dropped, he makes it to camp, and I'm going to be the NFL suspends him just because they can for 4 games? I just pray is all.
Why is  
afann : 5/18/2020 4:30 pm : link
it so hard to understand the draft picks...Probably went like this..Hey I want to swap my 37 pick for your 30th pick. You have to throw something in. Ok, how about a 4th and 5th.....done. Why can't people grasp that?
I have to imagine  
Beer Man : 5/18/2020 4:48 pm : link
Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.
Unequivocally!  
ColHowPepper : 5/18/2020 5:12 pm : link
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They had the CBS legal expert on and she stated unequivocally that there is no case against Baker.
LOL, a wise old head to be sure
RE: The fact remains that we should have never reached for him  
section125 : 5/18/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14906187 TMS said:
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in the first round giving up three picks to do it. Very bad judgement because the info on him was out there. Obviously the red flags were discussed. This is on DG and Judge if they made that call. We will see how it plays out.


It was not a reach. He was the #1 rated CB in the draft. Giving a 4th and a 5th is chump change.
RE: I have to imagine  
section125 : 5/18/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14906250 Beer Man said:
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Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.


You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?
RE: Ray Rice  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/18/2020 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14906115 Mr. Nickels said:
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is a good person


RE: RE: I have to imagine  
Beer Man : 5/18/2020 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14906273 section125 said:
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In comment 14906250 Beer Man said:


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Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.



You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?
Thanks for clearing that up for, I can see nothing gets passed you.

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section125 : 5/18/2020 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14906295 Beer Man said:
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In comment 14906273 section125 said:


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In comment 14906250 Beer Man said:


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Walking past big hairy dudes who are rattling jars of Vaseline between the bars, telling you that you smell sweet, and telling you all the disgusting things they want to do to your ass would cause most anyone to be scared straight.



You don't see those in county lockup. And, not for nothing, even though he is only a CB, he would likely kick the living shit out of most cretans behind bars. Have you met and NFL player?

Thanks for clearing that up for, I can see nothing gets passed you.



No problem. Glad I could help....
RE: Call  
Darth Paul : 5/18/2020 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14905903 Eric from BBI said:
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me naive, but the original story never made sense (a multi-millionaire robbing people at a house party). Now we have four witnesses who have recanted their testimony. A shakedown makes more sense.


When the story first came out none of us could believe how stupid he was and it's the most idiotic thing we ever heard. A shakedown makes it more "normal".
What a stupid fucking comment  
Knineteen : 5/18/2020 6:11 pm : link
Innocent yet scared straight?!

He's clearly guilty of something. What he gets convicted of is the real question.
The fact both Baker and Dunbar  
slickwilly : 5/18/2020 6:14 pm : link
have no prior criminal history makes me believe that the story that seemed so far fetched and made no sense to begin with is in fact bullshit. That is my opinion.
RE: What a stupid fucking comment  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14906313 Knineteen said:
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Innocent yet scared straight?!

He's clearly guilty of something. What he gets convicted of is the real question.


Scared straight that hanging out at low security card games in the ghetto when you are a multimillionaire with a lot more to lose than the other people at the table.
I've never been caught doing anything illegal my whole life,  
slickwilly : 5/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.
RE: No one has question this lawyer quoted by Ralph  
shyster : 5/18/2020 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14906008 BlueLou'sBack said:
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is someone new? From Lawyer Cohen that represented him at the initial preceding to this Patrick G. Patel fellow?



Patel is a Jersey attorney. Cohen is Florida attorney.

Ralph's story says Patel is Baker's "other" attorney.

Link is to Patel's website. I find it somewhat amusing that his profile page has a clip from a 1989 article in the Hudson Dispatch describing him as a "29 year old powerhouse."

That would be OK if it were part of a history leading to the present. But no, that's it, one clip from 1989.

For "Representative Cases", we get "Under construction."

The domain name for his website is "201injurylaw.com."

So, we'll see.

That's Patel with one L - ( New Window )
RE: I've never been caught doing anything illegal my whole life,  
section125 : 5/18/2020 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14906322 slickwilly said:
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but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.


Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.

I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.
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slickwilly : 5/18/2020 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14906326 section125 said:
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In comment 14906322 slickwilly said:


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but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.



Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.

I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.


I hear you, I've done many, many dumb things especially at that age in my lifetime. Just think it's a bit extreme to go from no criminal record to armed robbery when you actually "made it" and are in the NFL. It just doesn't add up to me.
RE: RE: I've got to say  
Mike from SI : 5/18/2020 6:46 pm : link
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his lawyer may not be that good.

1. I always thought good lawyers go with the no comment route instead of proclaiming their clients innocence in the media.

2. Why the hell are you comparing Baker's charges to Ray Lewis - who was charged with two counts of murder?



If you followed the story, they were trying to go the no comment route but due to how big this got in the media he had to release a statement in order to quell the “mob” who were trying to crucify him. Has nothing to do with how good or bad a lawyer is, this is a terrible statement


Part of handling high profile legal cases is having a comms strategy to deal with the media. So I disagree a bit.
As far as people calling Baker's lawyer an idiot  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 6:51 pm : link
Seems he was pretty smart to have Baker wait until he got these affidavits before Baker turned himself in
RE: RE: What a stupid fucking comment  
Knineteen : 5/18/2020 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14906321 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Scared straight that hanging out at low security card games in the ghetto when you are a multimillionaire with a lot more to lose than the other people at the table.

Ah, so he's the victim? Good to know.
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ron mexico : 5/18/2020 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14906328 slickwilly said:
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In comment 14906322 slickwilly said:


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but I'm gonna pull some asinine robbery like this? I don't know if he has committed a crime before, but clearly if he did he wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like what he is accused of.



Never underestimate the ability of "the more balls than brains" folk from doing something stupid.

I am not saying Dunbar and Baker did anything, but the old saying -"young, dumb and full of cum" doesn't materialze from nothing.



I hear you, I've done many, many dumb things especially at that age in my lifetime. Just think it's a bit extreme to go from no criminal record to armed robbery when you actually "made it" and are in the NFL. It just doesn't add up to me.


If this did go down anything like the initial reports said, I have a feeling it had to do with gambling grievance, and was not just a straight up money heist. Baker felt like he was wronged somehow or that it was his mo way and had a right to forcibly recover it.



*his money, and had a right to forcibly recover it.  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 7:20 pm : link
Fuck I hate posting on an iPhone
He should have just went on Maury Povich.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/18/2020 7:59 pm : link
He would have been scared straight much quicker and for less money.
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djm : 5/18/2020 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14906350 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14906321 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Scared straight that hanging out at low security card games in the ghetto when you are a multimillionaire with a lot more to lose than the other people at the table.


Ah, so he's the victim? Good to know.


What’s worse, calling him a victim or saying “he’s definitely guilty of something.” You’ve got baker signed, sealed and delivered as guilty without knowing a fucking thing. Care to share why?
lawyers are paid advocates. probably well paid in this case. lawyers  
plato : 5/18/2020 10:09 pm : link
usually don’t lie, but don’t tell the truth frequently. the better the lawyer the better they can not tell the truth, but not lie.

So what Bakers lawyer says is good for Baker. The truth, the whole truth, may come put about Baker over time. But do we really know the whole truth about anyone? Maybe my wife who is a very special person. My daughter on the other hand who i love unbelievably, uncircumstantially, unconditionally, and fully, always said “Ask me no questions, I’ll tell you no lies.”. She was right too,

Knowing the truth about people, are they ever scared into a turn, is anything a wake up call, etc? Not really. And in a very real sense my business was about knowing people and I was very good at it.
RE: RE: Like others have mentioned,  
barens : 5/18/2020 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14906215 SGMen said:
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In comment 14906100 barens said:


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the difference between Baker and ex-players like Lewis and Rice, is that no-one ever questioned their work ethic or effort.

True. But Baker is young so I hold out hope he does "wake up" and learn a lesson.

My prayer is the charges are dropped, he makes it to camp, and I'm going to be the NFL suspends him just because they can for 4 games? I just pray is all.


I hope the kid gets his act together as well, that said, I, nor you or anyone here knows what happened. For me, as a fan, I just don't want that on my team that I root for. Too much to ask for me.

There's a point you cross between being a stupid idiot, and something worse than that. If he finds god, a work ethic, and a moral code all at once, than he should consider himself lucky. But I don't have the patience for someone to figure that out while getting paid large sums of $$.
Scared straight enough  
greatgrandpa : 5/19/2020 12:07 am : link
To learn the playbook and give 100 percent?
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