was very involved with the Jazz draft prep as recently as last month so this must be a sudden change.
“With a phone interview, you’re not able to see body language,” Perrin warned, “In a live interview you can see how guys react to certain questions that may not be facial. I feel you may get a better sense of how well they answer a question, how much trouble or the struggles they may have coming up with an answer. I personally think it’s better to see them live.”
The ability to understand a player’s personality from predraft interviews is of particular importance for the Jazz, understanding the culture in the state of Utah is unlike most other NBA cities.
“Personality for us is very big,” Perrin said, “Background intel is big with us. Certain franchises and I would not say us per see, but speaking in generalities, talent outweighs character, other teams would be character over talent, and other teams would be character plus talent. I would hope when we look at it character is big naturally, but talent is also big.”
While the Jazz are only scheduled to have only their first-round pick in this year’s draft having sent their second-round pick to Cleveland in exchange for Kyle Korver in 2018, having the opportunity to interview players that may have long NBA careers gives the Jazz to gather information about a future trade or free-agent target.
“When Dennis [Lindsey] came in, he talked about trying to do as many workouts as possible. We want to gather as much information about as many players in the draft as we possibly we can,” Perrin said, “We may in five years, six years, seven years down the road being looking at a player that we have worked out before, and have gathered information before he was drafted, and after he was drafted.”
An older industry guy to work under Rose makes a whole lot of sense. That being said Perry and Perrin had an overlap in Detroit so it's possible Perry had some say in this hire.
"Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell would not be with the Utah Jazz without the work of Walt Perrin. 240 characters aren’t enough to describe how important he has been to the Jazz. I’m selfishly sad he’s leaving us but he’s earned this opportunity."
Aaron Falk: Walt Perrin on Thanasis (Antetokounmpo): “Still a little bit raw offensively, but he’s a much better, much better athlete than his brother.”
"Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell would not be with the Utah Jazz without the work of Walt Perrin. 240 characters aren’t enough to describe how important he has been to the Jazz. I’m selfishly sad he’s leaving us but he’s earned this opportunity."
Rose, Aller and Perrin are a nice enough shake-up for now. Perrin’s been scouting this year’s draft class, too.
agree. Don't know much about these guys but hopefully they know what they're doing. To me, the bigger issue is what Rose's plan is going forward. Acquire assets and rebuild...or try to convert existing assets into better players and improve the team quickly.
RE: Hope he's better than the last exec they hired from Utah
@johnhollinger
Wow. Perrin is a road warrior, a fixture at every event with any even remotely relevant prospect. Good get for a Knicks team that needs to be scouring the land for young talent.
He'll be Chopped Herrin by the time the Knicks get done with him
about this guy but it does seem like a good hire. And its better then hiring some guy who has some connection to some superstar type bull shit. These hires seem like good strong basketball minds. Who knows if it will do shit for us, but im willing to give Rose a shot to build a front office and a team.
Mike Vorkunov
@MikeVorkunov
The Knicks are hiring Frank Zanin for an undetermined role for their front office, league sources say. It's not official but they're working towards a deal. He's currently in the Thunder front office but worked as a Nets assistant GM before that.
RE: NBA twitter seems to agree that this was a strong hire for the Knicks
More new blood in that front office the better. Rose needs to revamp that place and seems like he's doing that. Phil only brought on Gaines- huge mistake.
I have hoped and begged for the Knicks to build a functional basketball organization.
These steps do seem to point to Rose having a vision for what that might be. I really hope he can turn the Knicks into a decently run organization. I mean, sure, swing a big trade, whatever. That's fun too. But at it's core, that's still not enough. Stars need to be surrounded by good players and the best way to get that is to build an org that finds them and develops them.
i mean building a competent stable FO is almost as important as building the team right now. Unless this franchise gets some stability i dont think we will ever see a good team.
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
Nothing official but multiple sources have said Knicks front office members Craig Robinson, Gerald Madkins and Harold Ellis will not be retained.
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
Nothing official but multiple sources have said Knicks front office members Craig Robinson, Gerald Madkins and Harold Ellis will not be retained.
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
Nothing official but multiple sources have said Knicks front office members Craig Robinson, Gerald Madkins and Harold Ellis will not be retained.
Execs tend to deal with friends and colleagues they trust. Nobody liked Phil and nobody respected Mills - now we have three new guys (from three different franchises) plus Perry, who’s been around the block.
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
Nothing official but multiple sources have said Knicks front office members Craig Robinson, Gerald Madkins and Harold Ellis will not be retained.
With the NBA postponing the draft lottery and draft combine, and the draft likely to follow suit, as well as the league restricting access that teams have to draft prospects, Perrin was leading the Jazz in using new and different strategies to gather information on prospective players.
“The health performance group provides physical assessments and our scouting consultants, led by Walt Perrin, have been doing a bunch of very interesting projects,” Dennis Lindsey, Jazz executive vice president of basketball operations, said in early May.
Perrin has long been respected throughout the league for being one of the most well connected figures when it comes to NBA prospects and scouting.
Well if you're raiding orginizations of their talent evaluators
followed by a head coach. I’m not gonna complain too much if Thibs is the hire, but I’m hoping for a more inspired choice.
Thibs seems like an awful fit.
Karl-Anthony Towns says the way former Timberwolves head coach and president of basketball operations Tom Thibodeau treated young players is a “disrespect and a slap in the face to their development.”
“I think that I’m very blessed that I have a great front office. I have a great coaching staff,” Towns told WCCO’s Cory Hepola during a live interview at his summer camp. “We think we have the best coaching staff possibly in the game right now from a talent, experience and just culture standpoint. And the culture we’re building here is something special. So I’m a very happy. I’m very glad now we’re introducing [rookies Jarrett] Culver and [Jaylen] Noel to a culture that we possess now. You know, I don’t think the situation before it would’ve been very beneficial for them.”
While clearly referencing the Tom Thibodeau-led Timberwolves, Towns talked about how he felt it held back the development of the players.
“And that’s a disrespect and a slap in the face to their development, you know, and I want to make sure that they develop not only as players, but as human beings and as men. And, uh, you know, that’s what we’re here to do. And in Minnesota, the thing, one of the biggest things where Ryan and with me is like, we have to make sure our culture is not based on just basketball. This is a family atmosphere. Everything we do here in Minnesota has to be able to have a family. A family backing and a family thought process. And building people’s personalities, characters and showing them more of themselves. And you’re more than basketball.”
2. Defense is dead
Thibodeau’s calling card and claim to NBA fame was always defense. That’s how those Bulls teams won games and playoff series: by starving the opponents of points.
Here’s where the Wolves ranked in points allowed per 100 possessions in 2016-17, 2017-18 and as of Jan. 7 this season: No. 27, No. 25, No. 17.
. But Wiggins is on one of the single worst contracts in the entire NBA, and it was signed on Thibodeau’s watch as president of basketball operations.
Further, Wiggins has obviously regressed since Thibodeau arrived in 2016. He’s the rare lottery pick who got worse as his rookie deal progressed.
The problem with being in charge of everything is that everything is your fault, one way or another. Player development? It’s on you. Cap management? It’s on you. Roster fit? It’s on you. Whatever you choose to pin as the reason Wiggins is on one of the worst deals in the league, it’s on Thibodeau. He was responsible for all of it.
ran the entire organization and thet totally failed including on the defensive end
He got them to the playoffs for the first time since KG...
He was then hamstrung with 2 soft players in wiggins and towns..
In Chicago he changed the culture..
If he brings a young offensive minded coach i habe no problem with thibs
He was the one who signed Wiggins....and made the playoffs? lol. They had KAT, Butler etc. A top 8 team is now impressive?
He was an old-school coach in a new-school NBA. Owner Glen Taylor didn't need a Butler-induced drama to show him Thibodeau wasn't the perfect man to lead this talent-filled squad. Last season's Timberwolves should have been the perfect indication of that.
Three of the top 14 players in the NBA in minutes played last season were Timberwolves: Butler, Towns and Wiggins. That's an old-school way of thinking in a new-school NBA that recognizes the importance of in-season rest. Last year's Timberwolves attempted fewer 3-pointers than any team in the NBA. That's an old-school way of thinking in a new-school NBA that recognizes the 3-pointer is no gimmick. The Timberwolves of last season felt like a talented team that was winning plenty of games but wasn't enjoying it one bit. Thibodeau is a well-respected coach, but joy is not exactly his modus operandi.
And sure, you can say that you can teach old dogs new tricks. The Timberwolves rank 23rd in 3-point attempts this season, shooting six more threes than a year ago. And Wiggins' and Towns' minutes are down noticeably from a season ago; they rank 30th and 34th in the NBA in minutes, respectively. But though this has been a modernizing team this season, these Timberwolves are far from a modern team, and that's one more reason why Sunday's firing had an air of inevitability. What ended up being Thibs' final salvo as the Timberwolves' coach was this: With the Timberwolves up 27 points and a little over three minutes remaining, the coach inexplicably left his franchise cornerstone in a game where the Lakers' coach had already emptied his bench.-CBS
“With a phone interview, you’re not able to see body language,” Perrin warned, “In a live interview you can see how guys react to certain questions that may not be facial. I feel you may get a better sense of how well they answer a question, how much trouble or the struggles they may have coming up with an answer. I personally think it’s better to see them live.”
The ability to understand a player’s personality from predraft interviews is of particular importance for the Jazz, understanding the culture in the state of Utah is unlike most other NBA cities.
“Personality for us is very big,” Perrin said, “Background intel is big with us. Certain franchises and I would not say us per see, but speaking in generalities, talent outweighs character, other teams would be character over talent, and other teams would be character plus talent. I would hope when we look at it character is big naturally, but talent is also big.”
While the Jazz are only scheduled to have only their first-round pick in this year’s draft having sent their second-round pick to Cleveland in exchange for Kyle Korver in 2018, having the opportunity to interview players that may have long NBA careers gives the Jazz to gather information about a future trade or free-agent target.
“When Dennis [Lindsey] came in, he talked about trying to do as many workouts as possible. We want to gather as much information about as many players in the draft as we possibly we can,” Perrin said, “We may in five years, six years, seven years down the road being looking at a player that we have worked out before, and have gathered information before he was drafted, and after he was drafted.”
So I guess Allan Houston is just kinda...there.
Well that's discouraging...
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agree. Don't know much about these guys but hopefully they know what they're doing. To me, the bigger issue is what Rose's plan is going forward. Acquire assets and rebuild...or try to convert existing assets into better players and improve the team quickly.
I think i just had a mini stroke
Wow. Perrin is a road warrior, a fixture at every event with any even remotely relevant prospect. Good get for a Knicks team that needs to be scouring the land for young talent.
Feels weird for the Knicks to be doing apparently smart things.
@MikeVorkunov
The Knicks are hiring Frank Zanin for an undetermined role for their front office, league sources say. It's not official but they're working towards a deal. He's currently in the Thunder front office but worked as a Nets assistant GM before that.
Feels weird for the Knicks to be doing apparently smart things.
and doing them without much fanfare (not that fanfare is really possible right now, but still).
No sign of JD around these moves. Seems like Rose is quietly doing some good work behind the scenes.
But are we getting an NBA playoffs this summer?
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These steps do seem to point to Rose having a vision for what that might be. I really hope he can turn the Knicks into a decently run organization. I mean, sure, swing a big trade, whatever. That's fun too. But at it's core, that's still not enough. Stars need to be surrounded by good players and the best way to get that is to build an org that finds them and develops them.
@SBondyNYDN
Nothing official but multiple sources have said Knicks front office members Craig Robinson, Gerald Madkins and Harold Ellis will not be retained.
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
Nothing official but multiple sources have said Knicks front office members Craig Robinson, Gerald Madkins and Harold Ellis will not be retained.
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Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
Nothing official but multiple sources have said Knicks front office members Craig Robinson, Gerald Madkins and Harold Ellis will not be retained.
Beat me lol
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
Nothing official but multiple sources have said Knicks front office members Craig Robinson, Gerald Madkins and Harold Ellis will not be retained.
There goes Obama's fan support
@AdamSchefter
Would have loved to watch the Knicks lose the NBA Draft lottery that was scheduled for tonight. Even that, at this point, would have felt like a win.
By my count (google) at least 9 teams had 2 this past season, 2 teams had 3. Houston/Madkins were both assistant gm's for the Knicks this past season.
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By my count (google) at least 9 teams had 2 this past season, 2 teams had 3. Houston/Madkins were both assistant gm's for the Knicks this past season.
Gotcha. Thanks
And he was part of the Nets brass when it happened...
“The health performance group provides physical assessments and our scouting consultants, led by Walt Perrin, have been doing a bunch of very interesting projects,” Dennis Lindsey, Jazz executive vice president of basketball operations, said in early May.
Perrin has long been respected throughout the league for being one of the most well connected figures when it comes to NBA prospects and scouting.
Thibs seems like an awful fit.
Karl-Anthony Towns says the way former Timberwolves head coach and president of basketball operations Tom Thibodeau treated young players is a “disrespect and a slap in the face to their development.”
“I think that I’m very blessed that I have a great front office. I have a great coaching staff,” Towns told WCCO’s Cory Hepola during a live interview at his summer camp. “We think we have the best coaching staff possibly in the game right now from a talent, experience and just culture standpoint. And the culture we’re building here is something special. So I’m a very happy. I’m very glad now we’re introducing [rookies Jarrett] Culver and [Jaylen] Noel to a culture that we possess now. You know, I don’t think the situation before it would’ve been very beneficial for them.”
While clearly referencing the Tom Thibodeau-led Timberwolves, Towns talked about how he felt it held back the development of the players.
“And that’s a disrespect and a slap in the face to their development, you know, and I want to make sure that they develop not only as players, but as human beings and as men. And, uh, you know, that’s what we’re here to do. And in Minnesota, the thing, one of the biggest things where Ryan and with me is like, we have to make sure our culture is not based on just basketball. This is a family atmosphere. Everything we do here in Minnesota has to be able to have a family. A family backing and a family thought process. And building people’s personalities, characters and showing them more of themselves. And you’re more than basketball.”
Not sure I'd put a lot of weight into his words.
Not sure I'd put a lot of weight into his words.
And Thibs has won...?
2. Defense is dead
Thibodeau’s calling card and claim to NBA fame was always defense. That’s how those Bulls teams won games and playoff series: by starving the opponents of points.
Here’s where the Wolves ranked in points allowed per 100 possessions in 2016-17, 2017-18 and as of Jan. 7 this season: No. 27, No. 25, No. 17.
. But Wiggins is on one of the single worst contracts in the entire NBA, and it was signed on Thibodeau’s watch as president of basketball operations.
Further, Wiggins has obviously regressed since Thibodeau arrived in 2016. He’s the rare lottery pick who got worse as his rookie deal progressed.
The problem with being in charge of everything is that everything is your fault, one way or another. Player development? It’s on you. Cap management? It’s on you. Roster fit? It’s on you. Whatever you choose to pin as the reason Wiggins is on one of the worst deals in the league, it’s on Thibodeau. He was responsible for all of it.
Towns is happy to get his 20 and 10 and lose
He got them to the playoffs for the first time since KG...
He was then hamstrung with 2 soft players in wiggins and towns..
In Chicago he changed the culture..
If he brings a young offensive minded coach i habe no problem with thibs
Also Thibs has the 33rd best winning percentage of all time. So he's won plenty. He just came up against LeBron a bunch.
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ran the entire organization and thet totally failed including on the defensive end
He got them to the playoffs for the first time since KG...
He was then hamstrung with 2 soft players in wiggins and towns..
In Chicago he changed the culture..
If he brings a young offensive minded coach i habe no problem with thibs
He was the one who signed Wiggins....and made the playoffs? lol. They had KAT, Butler etc. A top 8 team is now impressive?
He was an old-school coach in a new-school NBA. Owner Glen Taylor didn't need a Butler-induced drama to show him Thibodeau wasn't the perfect man to lead this talent-filled squad. Last season's Timberwolves should have been the perfect indication of that.
Three of the top 14 players in the NBA in minutes played last season were Timberwolves: Butler, Towns and Wiggins. That's an old-school way of thinking in a new-school NBA that recognizes the importance of in-season rest. Last year's Timberwolves attempted fewer 3-pointers than any team in the NBA. That's an old-school way of thinking in a new-school NBA that recognizes the 3-pointer is no gimmick. The Timberwolves of last season felt like a talented team that was winning plenty of games but wasn't enjoying it one bit. Thibodeau is a well-respected coach, but joy is not exactly his modus operandi.
And sure, you can say that you can teach old dogs new tricks. The Timberwolves rank 23rd in 3-point attempts this season, shooting six more threes than a year ago. And Wiggins' and Towns' minutes are down noticeably from a season ago; they rank 30th and 34th in the NBA in minutes, respectively. But though this has been a modernizing team this season, these Timberwolves are far from a modern team, and that's one more reason why Sunday's firing had an air of inevitability. What ended up being Thibs' final salvo as the Timberwolves' coach was this: With the Timberwolves up 27 points and a little over three minutes remaining, the coach inexplicably left his franchise cornerstone in a game where the Lakers' coach had already emptied his bench.-CBS
Also Thibs has the 33rd best winning percentage of all time. So he's won plenty. He just came up against LeBron a bunch.
Um. Read the blurb... HIS defense was dead, the Wolves defense sucked, which supposedly was his calling card.