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Baker’s lawyer guarantees dismissal of charges ‘soon`

TrueBlue56 : 5/18/2020 4:21 pm
Not if, but when.

According to one of his attorneys, the charges against DeAndre Baker will be dropped and the criminal case in Broward County, Fla., against the Giants cornerback will go away.

“This case is going to be dismissed,’’ Patrick Patel told The Post on Monday. “One day soon, this case is gonna be dismissed.’’


Don't mean to start another baker thread among the many, but thought this deserved it's own thread.
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CBS legal expert stated  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 4:24 pm : link
There is no case against Baker or Dunbar because the people who accused them are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying they did nothing wrong.

Which is probably why they both took their time turning themselves in. Those affidavits are the reason why they were granted bail
Hello? 911?  
Gman11 : 5/18/2020 4:28 pm : link
I'd like to report an armed robbery. These two guys, football players, came here pointing guns at us, stole our money and expensive watches then took off.

He, he. Never mind.
this has a weird vibe to it in all facets, just doesn't make any  
Rory : 5/18/2020 4:31 pm : link
sense and I wont be shocked to find out Bakers is innocent and we move on.

and all the BBI mouth breathers can once again stand corrected in the hope that next time they will learn to just shut the fuck up.
Rory  
afann : 5/18/2020 4:32 pm : link
there will still be people that want him cut!
I have no idea  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2020 4:34 pm : link
where this is headed.
Shows that he may want to be careful who he chooses  
GIANTS128 : 5/18/2020 4:37 pm : link
to befriend. Hopefully its a wake up call for him.
RE: CBS legal expert stated  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/18/2020 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14906210 montanagiant said:
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There is no case against Baker or Dunbar because the people who accused them are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying they did nothing wrong.

Which is probably why they both took their time turning themselves in. Those affidavits are the reason why they were granted bail

Not to be difficult but it feels like an "if" is missing. CBS's legal expert has no way of knowing who the exculpatory affidavits are from; they have not been made public in any fashion. There's no secret lawyer database where they tell each other what affidavits they're in possession of.
This lawyer is so weird  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/18/2020 4:39 pm : link
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BTW, to the lawyers out there, have you ever seen a criminal case dropped because of affidavits? Especially one involving violent crimes?

(yes aggravated assault with a firearm is a violent crime)
RE: Rory  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/18/2020 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14906225 afann said:
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there will still be people that want him cut!

I'm not sure I want him cut, but I'm sure he's still an immature child who was skipping team meetings last week even before the alleged incident. So I'm not sure I want him back, either.

I think there's a really good chance that he's a nitwit even if he's not a felon. I don't know if we should be rooting for his guaranteed money to hold up here.
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christian : 5/18/2020 4:42 pm : link
It says to me there is no indisputable evidence and none of the parties involved are trust worthy.

It says to me the police report is just that, what people reported to the police.

Hopefully Baker gets his ass in line, can get on the field, and put this behind him.

Best case, charges get drop but experience matures Baker  
George from PA : 5/18/2020 4:43 pm : link
To take his career seriously, going forward....

And

Hopefully, Judge hasn't close the book on him yet.
Gator  
afann : 5/18/2020 4:47 pm : link
I'm in the boat that yes he is a nitwit but he could mature. There is no denying he was being a moron last year. Maybe JJ's staff could get him to turn his attitude around. I know about the missed meeting this year but it is voluntary and I would wait to see what happens when they get him in person. Now, hopefully all this stuff is wrong and it's a wake up call. I don't want to get rid of someone after one year. I want to see if he can mature and develop his skills to an elite level.
RE: RE: CBS legal expert stated  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14906235 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14906210 montanagiant said:


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There is no case against Baker or Dunbar because the people who accused them are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying they did nothing wrong.

Which is probably why they both took their time turning themselves in. Those affidavits are the reason why they were granted bail


Not to be difficult but it feels like an "if" is missing. CBS's legal expert has no way of knowing who the exculpatory affidavits are from; they have not been made public in any fashion. There's no secret lawyer database where they tell each other what affidavits they're in possession of.

Yes, she does, she talked directly to the lawyers for Dunbar and Baker.
The Judge who granted bail stated that he did so because of those affidavits
RE: RE: RE: CBS legal expert stated  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/18/2020 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14906249 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14906235 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14906210 montanagiant said:


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There is no case against Baker or Dunbar because the people who accused them are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying they did nothing wrong.

Which is probably why they both took their time turning themselves in. Those affidavits are the reason why they were granted bail


Not to be difficult but it feels like an "if" is missing. CBS's legal expert has no way of knowing who the exculpatory affidavits are from; they have not been made public in any fashion. There's no secret lawyer database where they tell each other what affidavits they're in possession of.


Yes, she does, she talked directly to the lawyers for Dunbar and Baker.
The Judge who granted bail stated that he did so because of those affidavits

He granted bail but not a summary dismissal.

There's still something there.
Wow ....  
Beer Man : 5/18/2020 4:50 pm : link
Each one of them just won the Jamaican lottery. What are the odds?
This is what she stated on the Moose and Maggie show  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 4:51 pm : link

They had the CBS legal expert on and she stated unequivocally that there is no case against Baker. That the witnesses who made the claims against him are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying he had not done this. The affidavits were signed prior to Baker turning himself in. Also, another witness (the guy who set the game up) testified to police that Baker and Dunbar did nothing wrong which they, in turn, failed to mention to the Prosecutors.

Supposedly it's a traveling dice game that was at the center of everything. Also, Dunbar's attorney is a state rep in Florida and actually worked side-by-side with the lead Detective when he was a former prosecutor

She also stated that the Police dept claimed it might look into perjury charges
change of mind?  
yatitle14 : 5/18/2020 4:52 pm : link
Those that made complaint have changed their minds. Liberty City justice...
RE: RE: RE: RE: CBS legal expert stated  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14906251 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14906235 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14906210 montanagiant said:


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There is no case against Baker or Dunbar because the people who accused them are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying they did nothing wrong.

Which is probably why they both took their time turning themselves in. Those affidavits are the reason why they were granted bail


Not to be difficult but it feels like an "if" is missing. CBS's legal expert has no way of knowing who the exculpatory affidavits are from; they have not been made public in any fashion. There's no secret lawyer database where they tell each other what affidavits they're in possession of.


Yes, she does, she talked directly to the lawyers for Dunbar and Baker.
The Judge who granted bail stated that he did so because of those affidavits


He granted bail but not a summary dismissal.

There's still something there.

I never claimed he granted a dismissal, I said he granted bail and said he would not have done so without those affidavits
RE: this has a weird vibe to it in all facets, just doesn't make any  
Victor in CT : 5/18/2020 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14906223 Rory said:
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sense and I wont be shocked to find out Bakers is innocent and we move on.

and all the BBI mouth breathers can once again stand corrected in the hope that next time they will learn to just shut the fuck up.


good luck with that. they turned a simple complilation of scouting reports that I posted into food riot this morning.
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christian : 5/18/2020 5:00 pm : link
If Baker shakes free from the real authorities -- he better keep an eye out for the Giants culture police.

I hear that's a no nonsense wrecking crew.
come on this is payoff city and you get a watch  
gtt350 : 5/18/2020 5:03 pm : link
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RE: change of mind?  
Saquads26 : 5/18/2020 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14906255 yatitle14 said:
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Those that made complaint have changed their minds. Liberty City justice...


Yeah, possibly encouraged by an undisclosed “settlement” before they turned themselves in.
RE: come on this is payoff city and you get a watch  
Saquads26 : 5/18/2020 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14906263 gtt350 said:
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: CBS legal expert stated  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14906256 montanagiant said:
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There is no case against Baker or Dunbar because the people who accused them are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying they did nothing wrong.

Which is probably why they both took their time turning themselves in. Those affidavits are the reason why they were granted bail


Not to be difficult but it feels like an "if" is missing. CBS's legal expert has no way of knowing who the exculpatory affidavits are from; they have not been made public in any fashion. There's no secret lawyer database where they tell each other what affidavits they're in possession of.


Yes, she does, she talked directly to the lawyers for Dunbar and Baker.
The Judge who granted bail stated that he did so because of those affidavits


He granted bail but not a summary dismissal.

There's still something there.


I never claimed he granted a dismissal, I said he granted bail and said he would not have done so without those affidavits


I’m not an expert in the criminal justice system, but isn’t rare not to be granted bail? Particularly when no one was physically hurt?
Yes, the sooner the better.  
LBH15 : 5/18/2020 5:14 pm : link
Baker has got to get back to missing the video sessions with the coaches and the rest of the team.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: CBS legal expert stated  
montanagiant : 5/18/2020 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14906268 ron mexico said:
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There is no case against Baker or Dunbar because the people who accused them are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying they did nothing wrong.

Which is probably why they both took their time turning themselves in. Those affidavits are the reason why they were granted bail


Not to be difficult but it feels like an "if" is missing. CBS's legal expert has no way of knowing who the exculpatory affidavits are from; they have not been made public in any fashion. There's no secret lawyer database where they tell each other what affidavits they're in possession of.


Yes, she does, she talked directly to the lawyers for Dunbar and Baker.
The Judge who granted bail stated that he did so because of those affidavits


He granted bail but not a summary dismissal.

There's still something there.


I never claimed he granted a dismissal, I said he granted bail and said he would not have done so without those affidavits



I’m not an expert in the criminal justice system, but isn’t rare not to be granted bail? Particularly when no one was physically hurt?

Supposedly because he was facing up to 60 years was the reason given that he would not have granted it
Is there any more word on the man in the red mask  
Ira : 5/18/2020 5:39 pm : link
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RE: RE: Rory  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2020 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14906239 Gatorade Dunk said:
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there will still be people that want him cut!


I'm not sure I want him cut, but I'm sure he's still an immature child who was skipping team meetings last week even before the alleged incident. So I'm not sure I want him back, either.

I think there's a really good chance that he's a nitwit even if he's not a felon. I don't know if we should be rooting for his guaranteed money to hold up here.


I'm rooting for him. If he is innocent and absolved i'd like to think its a wake-up call. Maybe this hit at the right time with the right coach who can get him back on track.
He's an idiot. Fuck him.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/18/2020 5:54 pm : link
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RE: RE: come on this is payoff city and you get a watch  
mfsd : 5/18/2020 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14906265 Saquads26 said:
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+2

Took a couple days for envelopes to be delivered. Or for reminders to be sent about what happens to snitches. Or some combo thereof.
RE: He's an idiot. Fuck him.  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2020 6:03 pm : link
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Shocked.
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Dave in Hoboken : 5/18/2020 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14906303 UConn4523 said:
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Shocked.


You're shocked that he's an idiot? Well, I guess there had to be one.
Good,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2020 6:12 pm : link
so we may not have to waste tight cap space on someone else..😂
...  
christian : 5/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
The very best possible outcome is this is untrue and Baker can get back to work.
Don't have much faith in our legal system  
USAF NYG Fan : 5/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
but I do believe innocent until proven guilty which is why I haven't posted.

However, just for fun, what makes sense to me is a shakedown that may have, a least partially, worked. I'm guessing their lawyers worked out the payoff with the accussers. I'm sure the lawyers explained their clients can't pay out if they no longer have a career. The accussers, if they have half a brain, needed something in return because they will likey face charges for lying to police. Alternatively, they are guilty of the charges and the rest is still true (i.e. paid off).

Regardless, as others have said, hopefully the smoke will clear and it really was a wakeup call.
It was actually done  
Gman11 : 5/18/2020 6:49 pm : link
by the one-armed man. Now, Baker has to go find him.
RE: He's an idiot. Fuck him.  
Saquads26 : 5/18/2020 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14906299 Dave in Hoboken said:
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You’re the
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WillVAB : 5/18/2020 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14906251 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14906235 Gatorade Dunk said:


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There is no case against Baker or Dunbar because the people who accused them are the same ones who signed the affidavits saying they did nothing wrong.

Which is probably why they both took their time turning themselves in. Those affidavits are the reason why they were granted bail


Not to be difficult but it feels like an "if" is missing. CBS's legal expert has no way of knowing who the exculpatory affidavits are from; they have not been made public in any fashion. There's no secret lawyer database where they tell each other what affidavits they're in possession of.


Yes, she does, she talked directly to the lawyers for Dunbar and Baker.
The Judge who granted bail stated that he did so because of those affidavits


He granted bail but not a summary dismissal.

There's still something there.


A judge at a bail review hearing never dismisses the case. Their role isn’t to opine on the merits of the case but to determine if the accused is entitled to bail based on specific criteria.
As a former prosecutor,  
BigBlueNH : 5/18/2020 7:12 pm : link
a case like this is not likely to be dropped based solely on affidavits provided to defense counsel. However, once the case reaches a DA's desk, if the affidavits are inconsistent with info previously provided by those witnesses in a material way, then the DA will have either the cops or his office's own investigators re-interview those witnesses to see what they are likely to testify if called NOW. If the "current" story from these witnesses don't describe criminal conduct, then the DA will dismiss the charges.

Based on what I have heard of this case, the key issue is likely whether or not Baker brandished a firearm. If witnesses are saying he did, then I think the case goes forward, regardless of what inconsistencies might exist between the affidavits and earlier statements. If witnesses are backing off on this allegation, then a good chance the charges are dismissed.
RE: Rory  
KeoweeFan : 5/18/2020 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14906225 afann said:
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there will still be people that want him cut!

I don't want him cut; but TRADED is a different matter!
In JJ's system is there room for a player who did not feel it necessary to attend any team sessions so far?!?
RE: RE: Rory  
Saquads26 : 5/18/2020 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14906366 KeoweeFan said:
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there will still be people that want him cut!


I don't want him cut; but TRADED is a different matter!
In JJ's system is there room for a player who did not feel it necessary to attend any team sessions so far?!?


LOL who is gonna trade for him right now?!
no matter what Roger Goodell is far from done with him and Dunbar  
Stu11 : 5/18/2020 8:07 pm : link
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If he brandished a weapon  
Dave on the UWS : 5/18/2020 8:13 pm : link
he’s still screwed in the eyes of the NFL. (Suspension, cut )
RE: RE: Rory  
Rory : 5/18/2020 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14906239 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14906225 afann said:


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there will still be people that want him cut!


I'm not sure I want him cut, but I'm sure he's still an immature child who was skipping team meetings last week even before the alleged incident. So I'm not sure I want him back, either.

I think there's a really good chance that he's a nitwit even if he's not a felon. I don't know if we should be rooting for his guaranteed money to hold up here.


dude you're right, he is a child, he just turned 22. Yea i bet he skipped class too.

If he's guilty, cya but if not you people need to chill the fuck out and realize his off the field antics isn't your problem so chill the fuck out.
RE: RE: RE: He's an idiot. Fuck him.  
Rory : 5/18/2020 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14906306 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Shocked.



You're shocked that he's an idiot? Well, I guess there had to be one.


this fucking guy. lol
I just listened to the Dash interview on the FAN site.  
Tom in NY : 5/18/2020 10:07 pm : link
As others have mentioned, it appears the criminal case is over as they have no witnesses.
Additionally, one of the men that the police they spoke to that night specifically mentioned that Baker was not involved. The police left that out of their reports. That's a problem for the prosecution.

They can't even say specifically if Baker had a gun there because all of the witnesses' statements are invalid.

Like many here, after hearing the initial accusations (robbery, guns, gambling, etc) I was angry and expected Baker to be gone. Now, it seems as if there is nothing here and nothing for Goodell to punish these players over. He can't suspend them for conduct detrimental, when there is no evidence that anything happened. The attorneys making the case that they were victims of a sham is, at minimum, a plausible scenario.

Personally, I have no idea what really happened but will try to judge this guy by his behavior moving forward.

Finally, for those complaining Baker has not been participating in the virtual team sessions (which I agree is both a mistake, and pathetic) aren't these sessions considered voluntary?
RE: RE: Rory  
Darth Paul : 5/18/2020 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14906366 KeoweeFan said:
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In comment 14906225 afann said:


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there will still be people that want him cut!


I don't want him cut; but TRADED is a different matter!
In JJ's system is there room for a player who did not feel it necessary to attend any team sessions so far?!?


Maybe we can get that third round pick back...
RE: I just listened to the Dash interview on the FAN site.  
bronxct1 : 5/18/2020 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14906445 Tom in NY said:
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As others have mentioned, it appears the criminal case is over as they have no witnesses.
Additionally, one of the men that the police they spoke to that night specifically mentioned that Baker was not involved. The police left that out of their reports. That's a problem for the prosecution.

They can't even say specifically if Baker had a gun there because all of the witnesses' statements are invalid.

Like many here, after hearing the initial accusations (robbery, guns, gambling, etc) I was angry and expected Baker to be gone. Now, it seems as if there is nothing here and nothing for Goodell to punish these players over. He can't suspend them for conduct detrimental, when there is no evidence that anything happened. The attorneys making the case that they were victims of a sham is, at minimum, a plausible scenario.

Personally, I have no idea what really happened but will try to judge this guy by his behavior moving forward.

Finally, for those complaining Baker has not been participating in the virtual team sessions (which I agree is both a mistake, and pathetic) aren't these sessions considered voluntary?


I wouldn’t count out a suspension. The new CBA actually allows suspensions to be handed down as soon as an arrest warrant is issued, regardless of the outcome of the legal process.
RE: this has a weird vibe to it in all facets, just doesn't make any  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14906223 Rory said:
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sense and I wont be shocked to find out Bakers is innocent and we move on.

and all the BBI mouth breathers can once again stand corrected in the hope that next time they will learn to just shut the fuck up.


Dream On!! Look at what's happened here in the span of three days. Baker gets arrested and half the discussion was about how negligent the team was to trade up for a guy with a ton of red flags and a career that lasted one year.

You'd think time and again after rushing to judgment on things and being often proved wrong that people would sit back and let things play out. Hell, even now we have no fucking clue what's going to happen - but we know what's happened here.

Baker was a wasted pick, the scouts and Gettleman ignored red flags that EVERYONE knew about, and Bobby Abacus even gave a few multi-paragraph rants about how analytics fucked us again (if you are wondering what the fuck the connection was, you weren't alone).

And people won't learn. They'll do it again next time.
Big Blue NH  
ColHowPepper : 5/18/2020 10:23 pm : link
thanks, voice of reason and (probably) experience
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