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NGT: NFL changing Rooney Rule to require more interviews

OdellBeckhamJr : 5/18/2020 6:02 pm
of minorities.

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Under the new rules, teams will be required to interview two external minority candidates for a head coaching position and one for a coordinator position.

Teams will also be required to interview minority and/or female candidates for senior-level executive positions such as team president. The changes will go in effect after a league meeting on Tuesday.

Monday’s news arrives days after a report from NFL Network’s Jim Trotter that the league was considering changes to the Rooney Rule including incentivizing hiring minority coaches by offering improved draft positioning to teams that do.

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Does this mean the draft pick proposal  
ron mexico : 5/18/2020 6:03 pm : link
Failed?
I would assume so  
Giantimistic : 5/18/2020 6:08 pm : link
Sometimes over the top solutions are put out there to make sure the needle gets moved.
Giants  
JB_in_DC : 5/18/2020 6:14 pm : link
would have met this requirement in this most recent search - having interviewed Bienemy and Kris Richard.

Which reminds me - as far as I can tell Richard is still a free agent?
I think it's very possible that  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2020 6:17 pm : link
if KC doesn't go to the Super Bowl, Eric Bieniemy is a head coach in the league somewhere right now.
RE: Does this mean the draft pick proposal  
gogiants : 5/18/2020 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14906304 ron mexico said:
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Failed?

No, they are going to vote on the draft pick proposal at a later meeting
this rule is so antiquated and now they embellish it  
gtt350 : 5/18/2020 8:02 pm : link
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RE: this rule is so antiquated and now they embellish it  
Tom in NY : 5/18/2020 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14906390 gtt350 said:
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The "2 external candidates" gets rid of the BS token interview they have been doing. It's going to be difficult to get 2 candidates to interview if they don't believe they are getting a fair shot.
RE: RE: this rule is so antiquated and now they embellish it  
Scuzzlebutt : 5/18/2020 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14906420 Tom in NY said:
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The "2 external candidates" gets rid of the BS token interview they have been doing. It's going to be difficult to get 2 candidates to interview if they don't believe they are getting a fair shot.


If the first interview was a BS token interview, why wouldn’t the second interview be as well?
The best proposal I saw  
AdamBrag : 5/19/2020 12:01 am : link
was that minority candidates can't be blocked for offensive and defensive coordinator positions if they are a position coach on another team.
Also, best practice  
AdamBrag : 5/19/2020 12:03 am : link
in the business world is that half the candidates interviewed for a position need to be a minority. That'd make sense.
RE: this rule is so antiquated and now they embellish it  
darktimes : 5/19/2020 8:30 am : link
In comment 14906390 gtt350 said:
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It's not.
RE: The best proposal I saw  
section125 : 5/19/2020 8:49 am : link
In comment 14906477 AdamBrag said:
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was that minority candidates can't be blocked for offensive and defensive coordinator positions if they are a position coach on another team.


This makes a lot more sense than the Rooney Rule, itself. Allows for moving up the ladder that is otherwise blocked. Many position coaches are blocked and this would allow a real jump in responsibility and leadership sooner. Very hard to go from position coach to HC.
RE: I think it's very possible that  
Victor in CT : 5/19/2020 8:56 am : link
In comment 14906323 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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if KC doesn't go to the Super Bowl, Eric Bieniemy is a head coach in the league somewhere right now.


I agree. I think this is a big obstacle that needs to be addressed.
RE: The best proposal I saw  
Victor in CT : 5/19/2020 8:57 am : link
In comment 14906477 AdamBrag said:
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was that minority candidates can't be blocked for offensive and defensive coordinator positions if they are a position coach on another team.


Great point
RE: The best proposal I saw  
Victor in CT : 5/19/2020 8:57 am : link
In comment 14906477 AdamBrag said:
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was that minority candidates can't be blocked for offensive and defensive coordinator positions if they are a position coach on another team.


Great point
IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
Spider56 : 5/19/2020 9:24 am : link
worst CEO in its history and now the NFL wants to follow the lead. Terrific.
I just hope teams have a better selection criteria and vetting process than big blue did.
RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/19/2020 9:39 am : link
In comment 14906558 Spider56 said:
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worst CEO in its history and now the NFL wants to follow the lead. Terrific.
I just hope teams have a better selection criteria and vetting process than big blue did.

I’m sorry, are you saying women and minorities aren’t as capable as white men in leadership jobs?
RE: RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
section125 : 5/19/2020 9:49 am : link
In comment 14906570 Jim in Fairfax said:
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worst CEO in its history and now the NFL wants to follow the lead. Terrific.
I just hope teams have a better selection criteria and vetting process than big blue did.


I’m sorry, are you saying women and minorities aren’t as capable as white men in leadership jobs?


Bad optic on that post....
RE: RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
Spider56 : 5/19/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14906570 Jim in Fairfax said:
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worst CEO in its history and now the NFL wants to follow the lead. Terrific.
I just hope teams have a better selection criteria and vetting process than big blue did.


I’m sorry, are you saying women and minorities aren’t as capable as white men in leadership jobs?


Absolutely not ... I’m just saying the actual hiring criteria needs to be Same across all candidates and not pick someone because of gender just to pick one. 8 years ago, IBM did not hire the best candidate, male or female, and she was a disaster for the company.
RE: RE: RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/19/2020 10:43 am : link
In comment 14906582 Spider56 said:
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worst CEO in its history and now the NFL wants to follow the lead. Terrific.
I just hope teams have a better selection criteria and vetting process than big blue did.


I’m sorry, are you saying women and minorities aren’t as capable as white men in leadership jobs?



Absolutely not ... I’m just saying the actual hiring criteria needs to be Same across all candidates and not pick someone because of gender just to pick one. 8 years ago, IBM did not hire the best candidate, male or female, and she was a disaster for the company.

When John Akers presided over the great decline of IBM in the 80s and 90s nobody mentioned his race or gender. When a woman or minority fails, their race or gender is the central story. My understanding was Rometty was extremely well thought of when hired. And she inherited a company in a much worse position than the one Akers did.
RE: RE: RE: RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
section125 : 5/19/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14906605 Jim in Fairfax said:
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When John Akers presided over the great decline of IBM in the 80s and 90s nobody mentioned his race or gender. When a woman or minority fails, their race or gender is the central story. My understanding was Rometty was extremely well thought of when hired. And she inherited a company in a much worse position than the one Akers did.


You make a good point on failures more pointedly spoken of when not "white men."

But after 8 years, if you cannot pull a company out of it's dive, you were the wrong choice and you don't get a pass because your not a white male.

I'd have to say that at IBM you don't get that far unless you are pretty doggone talented.
And here  
Bubba : 5/19/2020 11:09 am : link
we go.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
therealmf : 5/19/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 14906623 section125 said:
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When John Akers presided over the great decline of IBM in the 80s and 90s nobody mentioned his race or gender. When a woman or minority fails, their race or gender is the central story. My understanding was Rometty was extremely well thought of when hired. And she inherited a company in a much worse position than the one Akers did.



You make a good point on failures more pointedly spoken of when not "white men."

But after 8 years, if you cannot pull a company out of it's dive, you were the wrong choice and you don't get a pass because your not a white male.

I'd have to say that at IBM you don't get that far unless you are pretty doggone talented.


Unless forced by statute her hiring is IBM's responsibility alone and that is a discussion best left alone.

The insinuation was that Rometty was hired due to her gender even though she was not the most qualified. The Rooney Rule does not speak on who a team hires, simply that minorities be included in the interviewing process. The Rometty hire is simply not pertinent to any discussion regarding the Rooney Rule. It did not need to be included in the discussion. The fact it was included raised some eyebrows.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
Spider56 : 5/19/2020 11:37 am : link
In comment 14906635 therealmf said:
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When John Akers presided over the great decline of IBM in the 80s and 90s nobody mentioned his race or gender. When a woman or minority fails, their race or gender is the central story. My understanding was Rometty was extremely well thought of when hired. And she inherited a company in a much worse position than the one Akers did.



You make a good point on failures more pointedly spoken of when not "white men."

But after 8 years, if you cannot pull a company out of it's dive, you were the wrong choice and you don't get a pass because your not a white male.

I'd have to say that at IBM you don't get that far unless you are pretty doggone talented.



Unless forced by statute her hiring is IBM's responsibility alone and that is a discussion best left alone.

The insinuation was that Rometty was hired due to her gender even though she was not the most qualified. The Rooney Rule does not speak on who a team hires, simply that minorities be included in the interviewing process. The Rometty hire is simply not pertinent to any discussion regarding the Rooney Rule. It did not need to be included in the discussion. The fact it was included raised some eyebrows.


Ok ... fair and valid point ... I retract my original comment. Peace.
Stupid Goodell  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/19/2020 12:35 pm : link
Rooney rule has been proven ineffective (or likely countereffective)? Lets double down!
RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/19/2020 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14906558 Spider56 said:
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worst CEO in its history and now the NFL wants to follow the lead. Terrific.
I just hope teams have a better selection criteria and vetting process than big blue did.

She was a terrible hire, after leading Global Services through years of middling performance. Kelly or Iwata, a outside the box hire, would have been better.

However, Palmiasano did gut out morale and elan with outsourcing and John Welch playbook.
RE: Stupid Goodell  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/19/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14906717 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Rooney rule has been proven ineffective (or likely countereffective)? Lets double down!

So what’s your solution?
RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
montanagiant : 5/19/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14906558 Spider56 said:
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worst CEO in its history and now the NFL wants to follow the lead. Terrific.
I just hope teams have a better selection criteria and vetting process than big blue did.

For every woman or minority example you give I can counter with 20X examples of non-minority CEO's
RE: RE: Stupid Goodell  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/19/2020 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14906736 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Rooney rule has been proven ineffective (or likely countereffective)? Lets double down!


So what’s your solution?

Extra assistant coaching spots on top teams that the NFL pays for (Little Bill, Sean Payton, Reid...)
RE: RE: RE: Stupid Goodell  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/19/2020 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14906747 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Rooney rule has been proven ineffective (or likely countereffective)? Lets double down!


So what’s your solution?


Extra assistant coaching spots on top teams that the NFL pays for (Little Bill, Sean Payton, Reid...)

So, required minority hires paid for by the leauge? OK. What would these “extra assistant” responsibilities be that would make them more attractive HC hires than the coordinators that fill most open HC spots?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: IBM just went thru 8 years of hell after a ‘female hire’ became the  
FStubbs : 5/19/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14906623 section125 said:
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When John Akers presided over the great decline of IBM in the 80s and 90s nobody mentioned his race or gender. When a woman or minority fails, their race or gender is the central story. My understanding was Rometty was extremely well thought of when hired. And she inherited a company in a much worse position than the one Akers did.



You make a good point on failures more pointedly spoken of when not "white men."

But after 8 years, if you cannot pull a company out of it's dive, you were the wrong choice and you don't get a pass because your not a white male.

I'd have to say that at IBM you don't get that far unless you are pretty doggone talented.


Yeah, not to get political, but it's often true. When a white guy fails, he failed. When a white woman or a POC of color fails, their group failed.
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