I think the giants will significantly improve in 2020.
Thomas, Hernandez, Shane or Gate, Zeitler, and Soldier will be the starting lineup; we finally have depth.
If you look at the Cowboys in 2014, Zack Martin was a tackle and no one taught he will be an All Pro guard. I think Shane Lemieux can be a good center within time. Their offensive line was one of the best (if not the best). Their defense was supposed to be the worse going into 2014 season; they weren't but they didn't have much pass rush that year. Their defense did okay and they went 12-4 that year. In 2016, their defense was okay with no pass rush, but went 13-3 with a good offense.
I believe our defense will be better and if we control the clock and time of possession, I think we can win a lot more games in 2020.
Remember, we don't know how our division will be and how the AFC North & NFC West will be (team change every year).
I don't think we will go all the way, but I see this team much better. We just have to hope for the best.
Lemieux has never played a game at OC and is a rookie. Gates isn't an OC either.
IMO Thomas starts at LT, and the RT job is up for grabs among Solder, Fleming, Gates with Peart on the roster but inactive.
Lemieux has never played a game at OC and is a rookie. Gates isn't an OC either.
IMO Thomas starts at LT, and the RT job is up for grabs among Solder, Fleming, Gates with Peart on the roster but inactive.
I think Peart and Fleming are backups unless there is injury. I think Soldier will start at tackle (whether if its left or right). Shane and Gate never played center but they have a chance to play center. I think they would be better over Pulley or Pio. Well see what happens.
Your comment about Zach Martin is a bit off. He was highly regarded in the draft and many thought he would be a difference-maker. I do think Thomas could be a difference-maker for the Giants this year.
Time will tell. Go Giants!
I am not a Halapio fan but if he is healthy I would much rather see him as the starter.
Let’s just hope that either Nick Gates, Shane Lemieux, Kyle Murphy, or Tyler Haycraft run away with the starting job or they bring in a veteran like Justin Britt.
I am still hoping that the Giants trade for a center. Nick Easton, Bily Price, Forrest Lamp, and Austin Blythe are a few potential options.
Exactly. There were arguments about him, Beckham, and Donald with our pick. You don't get drafted that high in the draft without some serious expectations.
Solder is our weakest link
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On the other hand Thomas should be better than Solder which granted is a low bar but better is better. Our guards certainly have upside over their 2019 performances and Solder could regain his form which would be better than Remmers was. Center is still a downgrade So, there is some hope as well.
Hopefully it works out. I do think Thomas is given the first crack at LT. Solder is gonna have to work his but off if he even wants to lock down RT. Fleming is a guy with conections to the coaching staff. I would slate him as RT before the competiton can begin and then Solder can try to beat him out.
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Right now, Center is our weakest link. Still a huge question about who will start, and until that question is answered, it's impossible to know how effective the offensive line will be. If there's any bright spot in all this uncertainty, though, it's that at least there will be more players vying for the chance to win the job then we've had in the recent past. It's not much, but it's something.
Solder is our weakest link
Solder isn't nearly as bad at LT as Pulley is at OC, and right both are presumptive starters. Also, wherever Solder ends up on the line, LT or RT, he'll probably be joined at the hip with Levine Toilolo. The OC will be on his own at the point-of-attack for the defense, and won't always be able to count on help from the OG's.
Although, I feel Pulley can do a decent job at center....center is certainly the biggest queation mark...and weakest link.
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I hope that you’re right. I like Gates and I think that he has a future as a starter inside at guard. Hopefully he’s been practicing snapping this offseason.
I’m looking forward to the competition between Gates, Lemieux, and Pulley.
I'm optimistic that the line will be improved but there's reasons for concern. Solder was horrific last year and is another year older. Hernandez struggled in pass blocking for large parts of the season. C is a mess and hasn't been addressed. You don't have to try very hard to see a line with a ton of serious question marks.
My optimism comes from the belief that I think our coaching was really subpar the past few years. A new coaching staff should hopefully have a real impact on these guys and lead to improvement.
Either way, it's put up or shut up time for this line.
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He won't take my calls, even after I sent him several very nice gifts from Edible Arrangements. I'm tired of going straight to voicemail.
And to hell with that Restraining Order crap!
Lemieux has never played a game at OC and is a rookie. Gates isn't an OC either.
IMO Thomas starts at LT, and the RT job is up for grabs among Solder, Fleming, Gates with Peart on the roster but inactive.
Also, other posts projecting Gates at Center with some certainty are a bit optimistic. He played a little Guard and some RT last year. Gettleman was probably just throwing out stuff when he spoke to the press pre-draft about the Oline to get them off his back about fixing this unit.
While it would be resourceful if the Giant coaches can “manufacture” a Center out of somebody on the roster, it would be much better if the team can pick up an experienced one from another team’s roster move. Especially since DG didn’t cover this position in the draft this year.
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Right now, Center is our weakest link. Still a huge question about who will start, and until that question is answered, it's impossible to know how effective the offensive line will be. If there's any bright spot in all this uncertainty, though, it's that at least there will be more players vying for the chance to win the job then we've had in the recent past. It's not much, but it's something.
Solder is our weakest link
no, Center is the weakest link until somebody steps up and proves to be at least competent.
Oh...and I don’t think the Giants will go all the way this year either.
While it would be resourceful if the Giant coaches can “manufacture” a Center out of somebody on the roster, it would be much better if the team can pick up an experienced one from another team’s roster move. Especially since DG didn’t cover this position in the draft this year.
Several starting centers around the league made the transition from guard/tackle to center. I’m not suggesting that it’s an easy transition but I am confident that Lemieux and Gates have the intelligence and ability to handle the move.
I do agree that they should bring in a better veteran stopgap option. Spencer Pulley is not an NFL caliber player. Justin Britt is still a FA likely because he can’t take a physical at the moment or he can’t pass one. With their current cap situation I would like to see the Giants try to obtain Nick Easton from the Saints.
Doesn’t really matter whether it’s o or d, lack of cohesiveness all made more difficult by virus and its consequences. For all of Judge’s talk, ST’s may be excellent, but overall team play will be worse. Two wins or four wins, we just need to see if they grow as team during the season. that seems to me to the only realizable goal, and one we can judge from.
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Most people knew that Zack Martin has all-pro upside which is why he went in the top 15. I don’t know where you got that idea that he was some surprise success story.
Exactly. There were arguments about him, Beckham, and Donald with our pick. You don't get drafted that high in the draft without some serious expectations.
I wanted Martin I’ve OBJ easily. He was a favorite of some. There we’re lot of Donald fans here too. Boy would the team have been better off picking either. Martin should have gone higher looking back. He only fell since teams and people thought a HOF OF wasn’t worth a top 10 pick.
Yep. Too many looking for easily noticeable impact in very early picks which is a fair but shallow approach. OL including Guards can provide the same impact and should not be discounted as much as they are early. Many on BBI fell into this incorrect thinking in this draft.