he interviews Daniel Wallach, a legal analyst for The Athletic. Wallach’s law firm, Wallach Legal, LLC, is based in Hallandale Beach, FL., which means Wallach knows the Florida laws under which Baker could be prosecuted.
Excellent take. What the low bail actually means, the difference between second hand witness statements to police at the scene vs. sworn, notarized depostions. Really good work.
Bottom line: while much better than originally feared, not nearly as good as some of the optimisitc proclamations from yesterday. Probably won't be resolved legally either way until next year.
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I agree. And sadly that standard seems to be going away in this country. A mer accusation can ruin someone's career for things far less serious than this one.
However, right now jury trials are suspended through the end of June, so his trial should be done by the end of the year right now, unless there are further suspensions of trials should it go to trial
Agreed, but the NFL has made it clear in the past that they will suspend players regardless of any adjudication of guilt
So unless case is dropped, Baker will not be playing this year.
So unless case is dropped, Baker will not be playing this year.
Why is that? If the case drags on for a year I imagine he will face some sort of NFL suspension but otherwise be able to play.
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Agreed, but the NFL has made it clear in the past that they will suspend players regardless of any adjudication of guilt
Based on the NFL's stance, we should accuse the Dallas O-line of a crime before we play against them. They would be suspended until they could prove that they didn't do the crime. Brilliant!
I doubt it takes months for this case to be dropped or settled. But wouldn't bet a nickel on that.
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....articles makes sense all around.
So unless case is dropped, Baker will not be playing this year.
Why is that? If the case drags on for a year I imagine he will face some sort of NFL suspension but otherwise be able to play.
How much confidence do you have that Baker will be a productive player after a likely abridged training camp and a suspension to start the season?
He has a big uphill battle here, IMO.
As a fan though I'll root for him to turn things around.
All of which could be true, but he needs to prove it with his employees, his teammates and his performance. Maybe he'll get his shit together, but maybe not.
Yes, if the charges don’t get dropped and he is placed in the exempt list, that would be a death sentence for his career with the giants.
Best case scenario as I see it is charges are dropped and he gets a 2-4 game suspension.
No way...will he let a player on the field with that over his head.
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The issue is if Goodell puts him on the Exempt List while this plays out. That is another reason he may not see the field if he is still on the Giants.
Yes, if the charges don’t get dropped and he is placed in the exempt list, that would be a death sentence for his career with the giants.
Best case scenario as I see it is charges are dropped and he gets a 2-4 game suspension.
Agreed. Unless the charges are dropped, he'll be placed on the Exempt List, which means he won't play this year. If the charges are dropped, he'll likely be suspended for a few games. How this affects his career with the Giants in that case is unknown. This certainly looks much better from Baker's perspective, and Dunbar's, that it did even a few days ago.
No way...will he let a player on the field with that over his head.
Yeah i completely forgot about the exempt list.
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Most cases like this in my experience come down to the victim statements.
If the victim recants in full the case melts away imo
No harm no foul - literally
Nothing to prosecute
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thats in the orig story i posted
And that's regardless of the outcome of his criminal charges.
What IS true.
The NFL will investigate even if the charges are dropped.
A decision on a suspension will be reached based on that investigation.
He will not play until the case is settled if he is charged
He will never play if convicted
And that's regardless of the outcome of his criminal charges.
Considering you spent a great deal of time this week stating his career is over and then going through the mental gymnastics of what that means, I'm not surprised at this take.
Let the facts come out. If he's done nothing criminal, he'll likely be a Giant and be on a short leash, you don't walk away from 1st rounders without giving a second chance.
Missing last week's voluntary team meetings is a bad look, but they are the be all end all and are voluntary. If or when he exhibits poor behavior going forward, it will be noticed a lot more quickly than with other players.
What IS true.
The NFL will investigate even if the charges are dropped.
A decision on a suspension will be reached based on that investigation.
He will not play until the case is settled if he is charged
He will never play if convicted
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thinking he will ever play for the Giants again are kidding yourselves.
And that's regardless of the outcome of his criminal charges.
Considering you spent a great deal of time this week stating his career is over and then going through the mental gymnastics of what that means, I'm not surprised at this take.
Let the facts come out. If he's done nothing criminal, he'll likely be a Giant and be on a short leash, you don't walk away from 1st rounders without giving a second chance.
Missing last week's voluntary team meetings is a bad look, but they are the be all end all and are voluntary. If or when he exhibits poor behavior going forward, it will be noticed a lot more quickly than with other players.
I stand by everything I've said. Continue to kid yourself. He may get another shot in the league if his legal issues vanish, but he won't be long for the Giants' organization. I really believe that. New regime, they aren't going to brush this off when they are trying to set a new tone and culture.
I have a feeling this won't be a felony but perhaps some stupid mis-demeanor that allows him to still plays and not face a trial. Just guessing...
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thinking he will ever play for the Giants again are kidding yourselves.
And that's regardless of the outcome of his criminal charges.
Considering you spent a great deal of time this week stating his career is over and then going through the mental gymnastics of what that means, I'm not surprised at this take.
Let the facts come out. If he's done nothing criminal, he'll likely be a Giant and be on a short leash, you don't walk away from 1st rounders without giving a second chance.
Missing last week's voluntary team meetings is a bad look, but they are the be all end all and are voluntary. If or when he exhibits poor behavior going forward, it will be noticed a lot more quickly than with other players.
I stand by everything I've said. Continue to kid yourself. He may get another shot in the league if his legal issues vanish, but he won't be long for the Giants' organization. I really believe that. New regime, they aren't going to brush this off when they are trying to set a new tone and culture.
I guarantee you if the charges are bogus he's the starting CB on Opening Day.
He's found to not have done anything criminal
I wonder when he gets invited back to work?
Only formal comment was that they were aware and monitoring the situation.
The press revealed that they told him to stay away and focus on his legal issues.