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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/19/2020 8:34 pm
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DeAndre Baker was playing ‘Madden’ when hell broke loose: lawyer - ( New Window )
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RE: It also  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2020 8:54 am : link
In comment 14907240 afann said:
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Says bank records show he took out $1500 two days before. So, that should debunk the lost $70,000


You can not just go to a bank and take out 70k, the bank wont allow it..
Yeah  
afann : 5/20/2020 8:57 am : link
You would have to make arrangements to see if they have that amount on hand. I did a renovation on my house and to keep cost down paid the contractor in cash. The bank said they need a couple days notice to have the cars there.
RE: Baker hung up on the police  
Beer Man : 5/20/2020 8:57 am : link
In comment 14907183 shyster said:
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when his friend (the older gentleman) got him on the phone that night and handed the phone to the detective on the scene.

This was before the arrest warrant had issued.

If he had stayed on the phone long enough to ask "So, what's this about?" and then hung up, that would be one thing.

But to not even be curious enough to ask the question, when you supposedly left at the first sign of trouble? Not buying that.

Whether the Florida State's Attorney will decide it has a case here that it can prove beyond reasonable doubt, I have no idea. But I do believe DB knew very well why the detective wanted to talk to him.
One could also question how his accusers/recanters knew he had a gun?
RE: It also  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/20/2020 8:58 am : link
In comment 14907240 afann said:
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Says bank records show he took out $1500 two days before. So, that should debunk the lost $70,000

If I have $10k in a safe in my bedroom and I withdraw $500 from the ATM, how does the ATM receipt prove that I didn't lose $10k?

I'm not saying that he did lose $70k; I'm just pointing out that his ATM activity isn't really a great measure of proof that he didn't.

This whole saga is bizarre. Even if he's innocent of the allegations, this is still a kid who was demonstrating a very serious need for structure - skipping meetings all week and going to a party that featured an illegal dice game during a stay-at-home advisory representing some pretty poor judgment on his part.

The criminal accusations are almost just window dressing for the underlying maturity issues that Baker has continued to display. I just need to do a better job of reminding myself that he's 22, and as a general rule, 22 year olds tend to be idiots.
In his defense...  
x meadowlander : 5/20/2020 9:01 am : link
...using a handgun while playing Madden DOES increase your odds of victory substantially. :)
If Baker’s people are putting this story out  
BillT : 5/20/2020 9:09 am : link
They can either back it up or their client is screwed. This story is absolutely nothing like what was originally told and for Baker’s people to claim this then thIs is either a provable “get out of jail free” card or the end of Baker’s career. So, lets see what’s next.
RE: you dont normally go to a traveling dice game to play Madden  
MotownGIANTS : 5/20/2020 9:09 am : link
In comment 14907230 Rick in Dallas said:
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this story has become bizarre. If he is proven innocent,I sincerely hope that Baker concentrates on playing football.
It will be interesting to see how the Giants handle Baker in the future if innocent.


I am still in the camp of they sound guilty or guilty adjacent (maybe more the latter) .... but that is actually plausible IF he really did get his head crack for 70K the day before .... just there to kick it /w Dunbar and what-not
RE: At this rate, the  
Johnny5 : 5/20/2020 9:14 am : link
In comment 14907102 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Next story will be he was playing bingo in Nebraska.

Ok I laughed, I did.
Good...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/20/2020 9:14 am : link
...news.
Help me here ... I’m 40 years removed from nickel, dime and quarter  
Spider56 : 5/20/2020 9:14 am : link
on the stoops in Brooklyn ... If I’m going high stakes gambling in Broward County (even if it’s in a gated community), am I carrying $70k in cash or in tradeable commodities ?
Gator  
afann : 5/20/2020 9:18 am : link
I understand what you are saying. I doubt knowing the area they are in that they are keeping that type of cash at home. I could be wrong but that’s my guess. Also, it says the house was in a gated community and they had to go through a gate to get out so there goes the getaway theory. It also says Baker wasn’t driving. It just all seems way made up, again just my guess.
As a fan, I'm hoping this all turns out to be a big pile of  
Brown Recluse : 5/20/2020 9:22 am : link
nothing and he has an opportunity to turn his career around with the Giants.

Patrick Grahams defense is perfect for him. Lots of man coverage and much easier terminology than Bettchers shit scheme.

He showed improvement down the stretch last year. Hopefully this experience coupled with a coaching staff that can instill some accountability will get him moving in the right direction going forward.
Nobody  
AcidTest : 5/20/2020 9:42 am : link
knows what happened, or what's going on. I guess that's the whole point. Create reasonable doubt by creating confusion.
If Baker was using the Giants in Madden  
crick n NC : 5/20/2020 9:45 am : link
And kept the default playbook, then he would be using Bettcher's playbook which would be another strike against his judgement. You have to at least change playbooks.
It would have been more believable  
Beer Man : 5/20/2020 9:49 am : link
if they said he was playing "Grand Theft Auto"
GTA cops  
crick n NC : 5/20/2020 9:50 am : link
Don't play around man
RE: As a fan, I'm hoping this all turns out to be a big pile of  
Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2020 9:53 am : link
In comment 14907271 Brown Recluse said:
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nothing and he has an opportunity to turn his career around with the Giants.

Patrick Grahams defense is perfect for him. Lots of man coverage and much easier terminology than Bettchers shit scheme.

He showed improvement down the stretch last year. Hopefully this experience coupled with a coaching staff that can instill some accountability will get him moving in the right direction going forward.


Agreed
I wonder why his lead atty  
ron mexico : 5/20/2020 9:57 am : link
Didn’t drop this right away and let the NJ guy deliver this?

They also formally pled not guilty Monday night. Not sure how important that is but didn’t see it posted anywhere.
RE: I wonder why his lead atty  
Big Blue '56 : 5/20/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 14907323 ron mexico said:
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Didn’t drop this right away and let the NJ guy deliver this?

They also formally pled not guilty Monday night. Not sure how important that is but didn’t see it posted anywhere.


Certainly a saliant question.
Any idea if  
csb : 5/20/2020 10:07 am : link
any of the stolen goods were recovered? Seems that would be a key to this case but haven't seen anywhere
RE: RE: Where was I?  
Ron Johnson : 5/20/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14907214 Maximus, Esq. said:
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In comment 14907204 cjac said:


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I was in Boise, Idaho.

No, no, no, I was in Anchorage, Alaska.

No, I was in Casper, Wyoming, in the lobby of a Howard Johnson's and I was wearing a pink carnation.



Is this moron #1? Put moron #2 on the phone.


nine-tee-seven-bot-tles-of-beer-onnn-tttthhhhe-wallll
you gotta believe  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/20/2020 10:30 am : link
some money is changing hands
Statement from Dunbar’s lawyer includes the following  
ron mexico : 5/20/2020 10:40 am : link
"Whether I'm being told the truth or the police are being told the truth, those two stories are completely different," he said. "They've sworn under penalty of perjury to both versions of events. So when I say they're liars, they're liars. They either lied under oath to me or they lied under oath to the police. Either way, their credibility is shot."

Link - ( New Window )
One thing is certain...  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/20/2020 10:48 am : link
These fuckin lawyers love seeing their names in print.
RE: If Baker was using the Giants in Madden  
Mike from SI : 5/20/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14907299 crick n NC said:
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And kept the default playbook, then he would be using Bettcher's playbook which would be another strike against his judgement. You have to at least change playbooks.


Well, at least that means he would have learned the playbook :) (I haven't played Madden in years, but the defensive playbooks used to be very vanilla.)
RE: RE: It also  
cactus : 5/20/2020 11:49 am : link
In comment 14907245 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14907240 afann said:


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Says bank records show he took out $1500 two days before. So, that should debunk the lost $70,000



You can not just go to a bank and take out 70k, the bank wont allow it..


of course you can
RE: RE: It also  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/20/2020 11:53 am : link
In comment 14907245 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14907240 afann said:


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Says bank records show he took out $1500 two days before. So, that should debunk the lost $70,000



You can not just go to a bank and take out 70k, the bank wont allow it..


Do you even have a rudimentary understanding of banks? The bank will report the withdrawal, but will still allow it
FMIC  
afann : 5/20/2020 12:21 pm : link
I agree with you. The bank just needs to make sure it has the cash on hand.
My experience with banks...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/20/2020 12:45 pm : link
...is that they likely wouldn't have $70,000 in cash to give to anyone.
If they do, they would report anything over $10,000. So, there would be a record.
Why the assumption that his latest withdrawal  
UConn4523 : 5/20/2020 12:53 pm : link
was for gambling and that he didn’t have other cash on hand? I don’t think the $1,500 means anything as far as this story goes.
" I was shocked shocked that ganbling was going on here"  
gtt350 : 5/20/2020 1:19 pm : link
D Baker
RE: Why the assumption that his latest withdrawal  
TrueBlue56 : 5/20/2020 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14907533 UConn4523 said:
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was for gambling and that he didn’t have other cash on hand? I don’t think the $1,500 means anything as far as this story goes.


The reports were that he lost $70,000 prior to this incident. $70,000 should be easy to track if he withdrew any money from the bank. $1500 does not even come close to that amount of money.

The lawyers are saying as far as transactions go, that 1500 is the only thing that shows on his withdrawals from the bank. Unless you think he has been carrying around $69000 in cash for a long time, then it means something as far as impugning the statements given by the victims.
I don't think anything other than withdrawing money at that bank  
UConn4523 : 5/20/2020 1:34 pm : link
shouldn't be the reason to disqualify him from being able to have $70k in cash. He could have had it since he was drafted and that first check cleared.

Is that far fetched? Maybe. But its possible. And I haven't read up on it enough to know if all of his banking has been looked into or just this one bank.

I want nothing more for Baker to be absolved and start a clean slate with the new staff. But the cash discussion seems incomplete to me.
His Lawyer  
PhilD : 5/20/2020 1:40 pm : link
Is doing an awesoom job. Changing the story from the original account. Lets see if his lawyer can win in court or get it kicked out of court.

RE: I don't think anything other than withdrawing money at that bank  
TrueBlue56 : 5/20/2020 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14907560 UConn4523 said:
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shouldn't be the reason to disqualify him from being able to have $70k in cash. He could have had it since he was drafted and that first check cleared.

Is that far fetched? Maybe. But its possible. And I haven't read up on it enough to know if all of his banking has been looked into or just this one bank.

I want nothing more for Baker to be absolved and start a clean slate with the new staff. But the cash discussion seems incomplete to me.


But again, even cashing a check last year and taking $70,000 would show on his bank statements. It's not like he has been in the NFL for 10 years and a long history. He has been in the NFL getting paid significantly for a year. I think it would be rather easy to dig through his financials to see where money went. 70k is a lot of money
Mara: "Well explain yourself...."  
rnargi : 5/20/2020 1:49 pm : link
Baker: "Well sir, we were going to this bingo parlor at the YMCA, well one thing led to another, and the instructions got all fouled up..."

Mara: "Shut up!"

Baker: "Ok, sir."
RE: RE: I don't think anything other than withdrawing money at that bank  
UConn4523 : 5/20/2020 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14907569 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 14907560 UConn4523 said:


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shouldn't be the reason to disqualify him from being able to have $70k in cash. He could have had it since he was drafted and that first check cleared.

Is that far fetched? Maybe. But its possible. And I haven't read up on it enough to know if all of his banking has been looked into or just this one bank.

I want nothing more for Baker to be absolved and start a clean slate with the new staff. But the cash discussion seems incomplete to me.



But again, even cashing a check last year and taking $70,000 would show on his bank statements. It's not like he has been in the NFL for 10 years and a long history. He has been in the NFL getting paid significantly for a year. I think it would be rather easy to dig through his financials to see where money went. 70k is a lot of money


I understand that which was part of my question - does he have multiple banks and if so were all cross-referenced?

He wouldn't be the first person to have a ton of cash that isn't traceable.
the Initial reports were that both players lost 70k  
ron mexico : 5/20/2020 2:00 pm : link
Not that Baker lost 70 K. And It’s not like those statements were made by a forensic accountant. I wouldn’t focus too strongly on that figure.

And it’s not any of us are going crack the case open anyway.
So far...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/20/2020 2:06 pm : link
...we've been told that he was playing Madden.

Nothing to see here~
RE: I wonder why his lead atty  
ColHowPepper : 5/20/2020 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14907323 ron mexico said:
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Didn’t drop this right away and let the NJ guy deliver this?
Ron, not sure when you say 'drop this', you mean letting Patel run with Baker's version of events, or what. Clearly, Cohen, on site (his practice based in So FL), was needed for the bail hearing. But to me, Patel sounds as daft as this entire series of allegations and counter allegations, a loose cannon. It might not serve Baker well unless the lawyer begins to come up with corroboration, of a practical and concrete sort.

Yes, having Patel run with a completely  
ron mexico : 5/20/2020 2:17 pm : link
Contradicting story. If this is the actual story, why not state that from the get go? And why does he need a 2nd lawyer in NJ?

Doesn’t make a ton of sense to me but I’m not a defense attorney
Best just to let it all play out  
Beer Man : 5/20/2020 2:31 pm : link
It seems like for high profile cases like this, we frequently see a lot of information/mis-information distributed from all sides; most likely to try to influence potential jury members should it ever get that far. Personally, I don't know who or what to believe at this point. As a Giants fan, I think the team should hope for the best, but prepare for the worst; which they are probably doing.
RE: Where was I?  
SirLoinOfBeef : 5/20/2020 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14907204 cjac said:
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I was in Boise, Idaho.

No, no, no, I was in Anchorage, Alaska.

No, I was in Casper, Wyoming, in the lobby of a Howard Johnson's and I was wearing a pink carnation.


Jack's got the Duke!!
Hope for the best but prepare for the worst is exactly right.  
ron mexico : 5/20/2020 2:46 pm : link
Luckily it looks like they did that in free agency and in the draft before this even happened
RE: RE: I don't think anything other than withdrawing money at that bank  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/20/2020 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14907569 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 14907560 UConn4523 said:


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shouldn't be the reason to disqualify him from being able to have $70k in cash. He could have had it since he was drafted and that first check cleared.

Is that far fetched? Maybe. But its possible. And I haven't read up on it enough to know if all of his banking has been looked into or just this one bank.

I want nothing more for Baker to be absolved and start a clean slate with the new staff. But the cash discussion seems incomplete to me.



But again, even cashing a check last year and taking $70,000 would show on his bank statements. It's not like he has been in the NFL for 10 years and a long history. He has been in the NFL getting paid significantly for a year. I think it would be rather easy to dig through his financials to see where money went. 70k is a lot of money

Assuming it was ever in the bank. Maybe he plays dice regularly and is a winner more often than not and has piled up some cash along the way.

Maybe he has taken out a little bit of cash at a time (less than $10k at a time anyway) over a period of weeks or months because maybe he likes to have plenty of cash on hand just in case.

Maybe he just sold one of his cars recently and the buyer paid cash.

There are a lot of ways that you can come to possess a fairly large sum of cash in a limited period of time. Withdrawing $70k in one transaction is only one of them, and it's the only one Baker's lawyer mentioned. He didn't explicitly say that there was no way that Baker could have been in possession of $70k, just that his most recent bank transaction was for much less.

That said, it all adds up to more confusion and conflicting info in the case, which I suppose is in Baker's favor.
Not very tech savy is he?  
NYDCBlue : 5/20/2020 4:14 pm : link
What is this, the 1990's? Are they hosting a LAN party?

Why couldn't Baker simply connect his PlayStation to the network and play with his buddies online? While observing social distancing?
RE: RE: RE: Where was I?  
Maximus, Esq. : 5/20/2020 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14907352 Ron Johnson said:
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In comment 14907214 Maximus, Esq. said:


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In comment 14907204 cjac said:


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I was in Boise, Idaho.

No, no, no, I was in Anchorage, Alaska.

No, I was in Casper, Wyoming, in the lobby of a Howard Johnson's and I was wearing a pink carnation.



Is this moron #1? Put moron #2 on the phone.



nine-tee-seven-bot-tles-of-beer-onnn-tttthhhhe-wallll


Why are you unpopular with the Chicago Police Department?
Grieco and Patel playing two of the three stooges  
shyster : 5/21/2020 9:46 am : link
in latest development.

Nothing here seems helpful to either client.

Grieco publishes a text in which Dunbar is invited to engage in illegal gambling activity, and that carries a clear presumption that Dunbar is familiar with such activity.

If Dunbar wasn't at a particular gambling event earlier in the week, and you want to prove that, there are probably ways of doing so without relying on a text that goes a long way to making another point you don't want to concede.

As for Patel, he seems obsessed with whether Baker is in the photo accompanying the text and wants to sue Grieco for libel on that point.

But the text doesn't say Baker is in the photo. It does say that Baker was at the earlier gambling event.

Nothing in the text about playing Madden.

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RE: So these guys decide to call the cops  
NYG007 : 5/21/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 14907104 ron mexico said:
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And completely make up a story for .....reasons?


2 hours after he left, with video proof. Come on man, read between the lines, they conjured a story to get a payoff/settlement out of court.
RE: RE: So these guys decide to call the cops  
ron mexico : 5/21/2020 11:24 am : link
In comment 14908016 NYG007 said:
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In comment 14907104 ron mexico said:


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And completely make up a story for .....reasons?




2 hours after he left, with video proof. Come on man, read between the lines, they conjured a story to get a payoff/settlement out of court.


How exactly would that work? A completely innocent Baker is going to start cutting checks even though there should be dozens of whitnesses that should be able to prove his innocence.
Seems far fetched to me.
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