straight up. Typical silly question from a nine year old who is watching too much YouTube and NFL network during the COVID emergency while locked up in a NYC apartment. I immediately answered yes because Edge is so much more important than RB. But as I have been thinking about it all morning it has gotten me to wonder if with the position differential, we have already seen that Barkley can thrive in this league, is it smart to trade a less important position although established star (budding maybe superstar) for a more important position but potential superstar without knowing if he will be able to make it in this league. I still would do it, but was wondering what other people had thought (knowing obviously it will never happen).
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
And Young has proven what beyond college?
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
What if their careers are unknown? Barkley has shown how much of a force he can be in this league, although his entire career is still a question mark.obviously.
Young still has to show he belongs in this league and that he was worthy of such a high pick.
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I love Barkley but if we're talking "gold jackets," you take the gold jacket ER over the RB any day of the week.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
And Young has proven what beyond college?
I don't care. Barring injury...I think Young is going to be fantastic, even if he is a Redskin. As sure a thing if not more than Bosa last year. And I'd trade Barkley for Bosa without hesitation.
Plus, I think RB's can be found much easier than a pass rusher and defensive playmaker.
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I love Barkley but if we're talking "gold jackets," you take the gold jacket ER over the RB any day of the week.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
What if their careers are unknown? Barkley has shown how much of a force he can be in this league, although his entire career is still a question mark.obviously.
Young still has to show he belongs in this league and that he was worthy of such a high pick.
Thats entirely fair. I should probably retract the last sentence from my post. I would do it in a heartbeat though.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
We are handing out gold jackets already?
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I love Barkley but if we're talking "gold jackets," you take the gold jacket ER over the RB any day of the week.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
What if their careers are unknown? Barkley has shown how much of a force he can be in this league, although his entire career is still a question mark.obviously.
Young still has to show he belongs in this league and that he was worthy of such a high pick.
Thats entirely fair. I should probably retract the last sentence from my post. I would do it in a heartbeat though.
I see your point and understand your thinking. ✌
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I love Barkley but if we're talking "gold jackets," you take the gold jacket ER over the RB any day of the week.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
We are handing out gold jackets already?
I'm speaking on level of talent, obviously. Didn't think that required an explanation.
Barkley is a HoF talent. He's at the top of the league. I think Young will be as well. All things being equal, I'll take the ER over the RB.
Thats my point.
it's a common internet trope to illustrate a point or scenario you want to discuss. Not accusing you of this, lol, I believe your 9 year old could have asked this. just saying.
same thing. any age of the child (within reason) asking a question. same radar goes off. I'm sure it's me and sorry to clutter the thread with it.
Plus, I think RB's can be found much easier than a pass rusher and defensive playmaker.
Then why did we spend years trying to convince ourselves that Paul Perkins was the man?
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I love Barkley but if we're talking "gold jackets," you take the gold jacket ER over the RB any day of the week.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
We are handing out gold jackets already?
I'm speaking on level of talent, obviously. Didn't think that required an explanation.
Barkley is a HoF talent. He's at the top of the league. I think Young will be as well. All things being equal, I'll take the ER over the RB.
Thats my point.
If you can assure me that he’s going to be an Aaron Donald/JJ Watt talent-wise, I would certainly give it tremendous consideration to it. If healthy, even a virtually one-legged SB showed he’s headed for the jacket. Lots of “sure-bets” at all positions, tanked once turning pro..
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in part because Barkley has 2 years left before the 5th year option/getting paid and Young will be a rookie. I think Young's timeline aligns more with where the Giants are than Barkley.
Plus, I think RB's can be found much easier than a pass rusher and defensive playmaker.
Then why did we spend years trying to convince ourselves that Paul Perkins was the man?
A lot of reasons, but that same year that Perkins was "supposed to be" the man, Orleans Darkwa and Wayne Gallman combined for over 1200 yards rushing and averaged 4.4 ypc. and caught another 53 passes.
If you're trying to convince me that a RB is more valuable than a DE you won't.
by the conventional wisdom, Young is the better choice
this one is going to be debated for years
Plus, I think RB's can be found much easier than a pass rusher and defensive playmaker.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...
Chase Young could be the next Clowney. Is that what you want to trade your best player for?
That's a no for me
I personally would take an NFL unproven Young over Saquon right now.
The fetus on the sonogram held up a note during the procedure asking about Barkley vs Young...
Barkley all day.
I personally would take an NFL unproven Young over Saquon right now.
Are you serious?
Look back at Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey. Do you think the Redskins would do that trade again?
The deal seemed pretty even for the first 4 or so years. Portis went over 1000 yards in 4 of his first 5 seasons with the Redskins. But after he rushed for nearly 1500 yards in 2008 at age 27, he fell off a cliff and was out of the league before age 30.
Bailey played at a Pro Bowl level well into his 30s and played 10 years in Denver and went to the Hall of Fame.
Would you prefer Marshal Falk or Eli? I agree with the OP s pt. For many reasons, there is some validity to the argument against drafting a RB with the second pick in the draft.
Of course it turned out well for the Giants because they got Jones. But there was no guarantee about getting a quarterback in the next draft at that time.
Plus, I think RB's can be found much easier than a pass rusher and defensive playmaker.
Agreed. The only hesitation is that Barkley has proven he can do it at this level, and Young has not, but a great ER >>>> a great RB.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
No one knows if Young will be a gold jacket recipient as he has yet to play a down in the NFL. Barkley is a proven pro bowl talent, one of the best offensive weapons in the game and a top 5 RB. I wouldn’t do it
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I love Barkley but if we're talking "gold jackets," you take the gold jacket ER over the RB any day of the week.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
And Young has proven what beyond college?
I watched the last few games that Ohio State played from start to finish,scouting Young when I thought he would be a Giant.Now I know that many times he was double-teamed but he really was a non-factor in those games. I wasn't as upset as many when we picked 4th instead of 2nd. I know he is a tremendous athlete & scouts rave about him,but I didn't see a dominant player when I watched him those last few games against better teams!
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I love Barkley but if we're talking "gold jackets," you take the gold jacket ER over the RB any day of the week.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
And Young has proven what beyond college?
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I love Barkley but if we're talking "gold jackets," you take the gold jacket ER over the RB any day of the week.
Shouldn't even be a question for the objective fan.
And Young has proven what beyond college?
I don't care. Barring injury...I think Young is going to be fantastic, even if he is a Redskin. As sure a thing if not more than Bosa last year. And I'd trade Barkley for Bosa without hesitation.
Maybe but if I am an O-line coach I am talking to Robbie Caldwell and asking him about his game plan that essentially shut Young down and made him look very average.
I personally would take an NFL unproven Young over Saquon right now.
3/4 Giants SB victories were won with really good OLs, with the notable exception of 2011 when Eli put on his Achilles' suit and carried the team to a victory over the 49ers that the Giants had no business winning.
Thank goodness for Alex Smith's 0 for 13 on third down conversions via the pass.
As good as Barkley has been it's been behind a sub par OL as noted above.
And I begin to have a radical idea about NFL prospects entering the league, that we have it all wrong...
As an adide, it bugs me that Young didn't join in the underwear Olympics and perform various tests, especially the agility and explosion ones.
Barkley had phenomenal game tape too, but then went out and aced the underwear Olympics at the combine, too. There's a huge character and desire picture that Barkley is well into painting (not finished as his pass blocking needs radical improvement) and Young has yet to lift the paintbrush to the canvas as a pro, however well he was regarded in Columbus.
So my answer is no, although I too believe Young will be a fantastic pro.
Difference being between BELIEF and KNOWLEDGE. We know Barkley is and will be awesome, especially if our OL comes together by 2022.
What injury? After his suspension he wasn’t the same player, he essentially got locked up the last few games of the year. Don’t remember anything about an injury
it's a common internet trope to illustrate a point or scenario you want to discuss. Not accusing you of this, lol, I believe your 9 year old could have asked this. just saying.
I get it but he really did, I am not saying my posts are ever really worth reading, but I have been on here for over 8 years and I don't normally bring up implausible scenarios trade topics such as this one. I mean this would never happen, but I was just wondering what people thought because when he asked me this morning, it seemed like a no-brainer to me at first, but then it really got me thinking about the gamble of not knowing Chase at the next level versus a different position but we know the SB is going to be good (just how good is the only real debate).
I guess you have to weigh how much better you think the Giants defense would get adding Young vs how much worse the Giants offense would get subtracting Barkley
I think I would keep Barkley. I think it's a little bit more difficult to completely phase out Barkley in a defensive gameplan than it would be for an offensive gameplan to negate Young
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Every Giants SB was won with elite edge rushers and good (but not generational) RBs.
I personally would take an NFL unproven Young over Saquon right now.
Are you serious?
Totally serious. Both our trenches are horrid, so our generational back has been useless. He is no doubt a great RB, but he can't do it with a shitty O line.
I grew up watching strong Giants D, and our pathetic D's have made games painful to watch.
I give two shits about Chase Young as a specific player (I don't watch college FB). But I had wish we restarted rebuilding our D and O Line sooner, rather then picking a luxury RB such as Saquon. Its easy to say in hindsight because Gettleman was not rebuilding when he picked Saquon, and was trying to get Eli another shot.
How exactly has that been the case? They are 9-23 with him and he's had an injury issue. As of right now, his impact to the franchise is very much up in the air.
What struck me in that game was that whenever he was in pursuit behind the play he never got there. I thought he was the third best defender on the field that day. (Okaduh was the best).