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David Diehl breaks down Matt Peart

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/20/2020 8:48 pm
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an encouraging point of view on Peart -  
Del Shofner : 5/20/2020 8:54 pm : link
we'll see - hopefully so. He had such a physical advantage in college though.
Peart  
AndyB : 5/20/2020 9:27 pm : link
The Matt Peart you see on that tape has a chance to have a successful career as a backup swing tackle and special-teamer.

He needs to be bigger, stronger, meaner and much more physical to become an every-down player.

Unless the Giants have injuries at the position Peart will likely spend most of the season inactive on gamedays as he attempts to understand the psychology of the line of scrimmage at the NFL level. Being a nice guy is great- off the field.

Matt Peart has a long way to go.
I think they require more lineman to be active on gameday  
CMicks3110 : 5/20/2020 9:29 pm : link
so he will probably at least be active
Gaining  
XBRONX : 5/20/2020 9:32 pm : link
muscle mass is bigger,stronger and more physical in one swoope.
RE: Peart  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/20/2020 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14907767 AndyB said:
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The Matt Peart you see on that tape has a chance to have a successful career as a backup swing tackle and special-teamer.

He needs to be bigger, stronger, meaner and much more physical to become an every-down player.

Unless the Giants have injuries at the position Peart will likely spend most of the season inactive on gamedays as he attempts to understand the psychology of the line of scrimmage at the NFL level. Being a nice guy is great- off the field.

Matt Peart has a long way to go.


I bet you he is starting by next season, if not sooner.
RE: Peart  
uconngiant : 5/20/2020 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14907767 AndyB said:
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The Matt Peart you see on that tape has a chance to have a successful career as a backup swing tackle and special-teamer.

He needs to be bigger, stronger, meaner and much more physical to become an every-down player.

Unless the Giants have injuries at the position Peart will likely spend most of the season inactive on gamedays as he attempts to understand the psychology of the line of scrimmage at the NFL level. Being a nice guy is great- off the field.

Matt Peart has a long way to go.
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You haven't a clue. Just because he played at a losing school doesn't mean he isn't a future starter. I have meant him a couple of times as a season ticket holder and someone who goes to all activities. He will be a starter if not in year one by year two.
RE: Peart  
Capt. Don : 5/20/2020 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14907767 AndyB said:
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The Matt Peart you see on that tape has a chance to have a successful career as a backup swing tackle and special-teamer.

He needs to be bigger, stronger, meaner and much more physical to become an every-down player.

Unless the Giants have injuries at the position Peart will likely spend most of the season inactive on gamedays as he attempts to understand the psychology of the line of scrimmage at the NFL level. Being a nice guy is great- off the field.

Matt Peart has a long way to go.


You have vastly overrated our situation at tackle.

I'd wager that he starts games this year.
I do not know his NFL future but  
George from PA : 5/20/2020 10:13 pm : link
The man is hugh....yet still looks skinny at 315....

His arms are tree trunks.

Looks like an athlete, moves well.

Has a reputation to be a hard worker.

I do not know how well of an NFL player he will be......but I am not betting against him.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him and Thomas as the Giants bookend tackles for a long time.
Pert, Peert, Parrot...  
Ryan : 5/20/2020 10:18 pm : link
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BBIrs...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/20/2020 10:21 pm : link
...tend to have an overinflated opinion of their football acumen.
RE: RE: Peart  
Matt M. : 5/20/2020 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14907776 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14907767 AndyB said:


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The Matt Peart you see on that tape has a chance to have a successful career as a backup swing tackle and special-teamer.

He needs to be bigger, stronger, meaner and much more physical to become an every-down player.

Unless the Giants have injuries at the position Peart will likely spend most of the season inactive on gamedays as he attempts to understand the psychology of the line of scrimmage at the NFL level. Being a nice guy is great- off the field.

Matt Peart has a long way to go.



I bet you he is starting by next season, if not sooner.
I agree. The bad news is he needs to get bigger and stronger. The good news is he has mostly good technique and his need to get bigger and stronger can be solved through hard work, proper training, and proper coaching.

One concern I have, that Diehl didn't mention was related to his issue on the third clip. Not only did Peart not thrust his arms into the defensive player to be more physical, but when he did extend, he ended up holding. Diehl commented on this as a positive about his long reach, but I point it out merely as something to keep in mind. I realize this is only 1 play and I honestly haven't viewed enough film of him to say this is a problem or not.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 5/20/2020 10:40 pm : link
1) I think Peart can be starting as early as this season and, if not, as late as next season. If he is not, then we may have made a mistake.

2) #1 is not dictated entirely by his play. A large contributing factor is the combination of Solder's play and Thomas' ability and level of play at the start of the season and during the season.

3) Re: #2 - This is obviously moot if Peart is not ready at all. But, if Solder continues to be nothing better than average (or worse) and Thomas is ready to play LT, Peart can play his way to starting at RT as soon as the coaches feel he is ready. For the most part, he should not be blocked by anyone by the end of the season unless he flat out stinks, Thomas is not ready for LT, and/or Solder has a bounce back season.

4) I enjoy Diehl's breakdown of OL more than any other analyst attached to the NFL. He clearly knows technique, recognizes the formations and plays, recognizes each player's role in a given play, and explains it and illustrates it perfectly for the average fan to grasp. He really could/should be coaching if he wants that.
Matt I agree about the holding, and it's something  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/20/2020 10:45 pm : link
Peart does quite often. With his super long arms and crazy wingspan, it's even more noticeable when locks onto a defender with his hands outside his opponents chest.

Personally I'm guessing his issue is more technique than raw strength. But I also doubt he will start any games this year.
RE: Matt I agree about the holding, and it's something  
Matt M. : 5/20/2020 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14907802 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Peart does quite often. With his super long arms and crazy wingspan, it's even more noticeable when locks onto a defender with his hands outside his opponents chest.

Personally I'm guessing his issue is more technique than raw strength. But I also doubt he will start any games this year.
I agree about technique vs. strength, which is also why I pointed it out as something to look out for. He has great wingspan, but more than not having the raw strength to extend and shove immediately, I saw his hands drift outside. He ultimately got nice extension, even if not immediate. But, his hands not only drifted high and wide, but he locked on and grabbed the pads of the defender. That is a very easy call for officials and not one they will consistently miss.
It seems lame to o call a three play review  
yatqb : 5/20/2020 10:58 pm : link
“breaking down” anyone. How hard would it be to show several minutes of tape on a player?
RE: It seems lame to o call a three play review  
Matt M. : 5/20/2020 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14907809 yatqb said:
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“breaking down” anyone. How hard would it be to show several minutes of tape on a player?
I agree, but I personally wasn't referring to Diehl breaking down players strictly from this clip. Throughout the year, he does a great job of breaking down play, but is especially good at OL play. Banks also happens to be very good at breaking down play and explaining it in terms for the average fan to understand.
IMO, a guy with Peart's enormous length and quick active feet,  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/20/2020 11:50 pm : link
if and when he truly learns to consistently uncoil himself from the ground up through his torso and then through his arms in a punch, can deliver quite a shocking blow.

It's not about size and mass, it's about learning to uncoil from a three point stance.

I'm not saying blocking well won't become easier for Peart as he gets stronger and fill out, but it's really not the key.

I'm harping on this because after listening to hours and hours of draft analyses about the Giants picks from many of the various podcasters out there, I have come to have an opinion that most of the folks yapping don't know shit. They never played OL, never studied kinesiology or got an understanding of martial arts, and just yap yap yap repeating something they've read someone else say, pretending it's real knowledge.

Diehl actually knows a thing or three about playing OL. I'd love to hear him really break down an entire game's worth of Peart's tape.

I'm exhausted from inundating myself with bullshit from pundits.
RE: RE: It seems lame to o call a three play review  
yatqb : 5/21/2020 5:05 am : link
In comment 14907812 Matt M. said:
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“breaking down” anyone. How hard would it be to show several minutes of tape on a player?

I agree, but I personally wasn't referring to Diehl breaking down players strictly from this clip. Throughout the year, he does a great job of breaking down play, but is especially good at OL play. Banks also happens to be very good at breaking down play and explaining it in terms for the average fan to understand.


Matt, no disagreement with that.
I can’t remember the Giants ever having tackles that can move  
mfsd : 5/21/2020 6:25 am : link
like Thomas and Peart. They both look like basketball players.

No argument that Peart needs to get stronger to handle NFL level DEs.
Peart has to start by next year  
Tuckrule : 5/21/2020 6:27 am : link
If not that’s a terrible pick. 3rd rounder who started 4 years in college should def be starting his second season in the nfl. I’d like to see him in game action late this season. Anything Diehl, O’Hara etc say should be taken with a grain of salt. They are looking at everything through their blue goggles. You will never hear either say a bad word about any player on the roster. After all, they do work for the giants. It’s like listening to Pdot. It’s painful at times.
RE: Peart has to start by next year  
robbieballs2003 : 5/21/2020 7:11 am : link
In comment 14907844 Tuckrule said:
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If not that’s a terrible pick. 3rd rounder who started 4 years in college should def be starting his second season in the nfl. I’d like to see him in game action late this season. Anything Diehl, O’Hara etc say should be taken with a grain of salt. They are looking at everything through their blue goggles. You will never hear either say a bad word about any player on the roster. After all, they do work for the giants. It’s like listening to Pdot. It’s painful at times.


If the expectations that 3rd round picks should be starting by their second year especially when he was a comp pick then no team in the NFL would have holes. Those are some lofty expectations out of a late thrid round pick. We all hope he can get to that point but if he isn't starting by year 2 but is in year 3 does that make him a bad pick? Absolutely not.
RE: RE: Matt I agree about the holding, and it's something  
section125 : 5/21/2020 7:13 am : link
In comment 14907804 Matt M. said:
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Peart does quite often. With his super long arms and crazy wingspan, it's even more noticeable when locks onto a defender with his hands outside his opponents chest.

Personally I'm guessing his issue is more technique than raw strength. But I also doubt he will start any games this year.

I agree about technique vs. strength, which is also why I pointed it out as something to look out for. He has great wingspan, but more than not having the raw strength to extend and shove immediately, I saw his hands drift outside. He ultimately got nice extension, even if not immediate. But, his hands not only drifted high and wide, but he locked on and grabbed the pads of the defender. That is a very easy call for officials and not one they will consistently miss.


In the NFL if you grab shoulder pads inside, it is not called. If you wrap around the shoulder pads from the outside it is. Every week in almost every game this is brought up.
The arrow is pointing up with Peart  
SCGiantsFan : 5/21/2020 7:50 am : link
Allow him to get stronger. He will now be focused on his craft and getting better with more film study and "real" coaching. Columbo, knows a thing or two and can share that will our OLinemen.

Our own Dline has some good players in their own right. Mix him in during the preseason and see what he can do. You can learn just as much from doing something incorrectly,it leads you to doing it correctly sooner.

All all encouraged with this selection
RE: BBIrs...  
Johnny5 : 5/21/2020 8:06 am : link
In comment 14907795 Brown_Hornet said:
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...tend to have an overinflated opinion of their football acumen.

lol no question about that (myself included)
RE: Peart has to start by next year  
UConn4523 : 5/21/2020 8:08 am : link
In comment 14907844 Tuckrule said:
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If not that’s a terrible pick. 3rd rounder who started 4 years in college should def be starting his second season in the nfl. I’d like to see him in game action late this season. Anything Diehl, O’Hara etc say should be taken with a grain of salt. They are looking at everything through their blue goggles. You will never hear either say a bad word about any player on the roster. After all, they do work for the giants. It’s like listening to Pdot. It’s painful at times.


Well then I hope you apply that logic to every 3rd rounder ever taken by any team.

And no, we shouldn’t take what they say with a grain of salt across the board. When they are talking OL play, I’m listening. If Diehl is talking about WRs or DBs then I’ll give it some pause.
RE: RE: Peart  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/21/2020 8:22 am : link
In comment 14907776 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14907767 AndyB said:


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The Matt Peart you see on that tape has a chance to have a successful career as a backup swing tackle and special-teamer.

He needs to be bigger, stronger, meaner and much more physical to become an every-down player.

Unless the Giants have injuries at the position Peart will likely spend most of the season inactive on gamedays as he attempts to understand the psychology of the line of scrimmage at the NFL level. Being a nice guy is great- off the field.

Matt Peart has a long way to go.



I bet you he is starting by next season, if not sooner.



That’s not necessarily a good thing. Or bad. And people can hate on Wheeler all they want but he was cheap w a ton of experience. Cutting him was stupid. Like they had a bunch of young developmental guys so much better. At least he’s a body. No fucking clue on roster make up. Shurmur is a good football coach, but as a head coach it’s hard to find anything he did well. Anything. Hunter was a disaster and IMO pretty much doomed this team the moment he was hired from an offensive standpoint
Going hard on OL in this past offseason was imperative  
LBH15 : 5/21/2020 8:41 am : link
as this unit needed in flow of both starters and reserves. And it needs a fairly consistent flow of guys in development. I think we had drafted only 3 OL in the last 4 drafts which is too low, even with some free agent additions.

Keeping priming the pump here.
RE: RE: Peart  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2020 8:50 am : link
In comment 14907776 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14907767 AndyB said:


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The Matt Peart you see on that tape has a chance to have a successful career as a backup swing tackle and special-teamer.

He needs to be bigger, stronger, meaner and much more physical to become an every-down player.

Unless the Giants have injuries at the position Peart will likely spend most of the season inactive on gamedays as he attempts to understand the psychology of the line of scrimmage at the NFL level. Being a nice guy is great- off the field.

Matt Peart has a long way to go.



I bet you he is starting by next season, if not sooner.


agreed. Solder will be the odd man out
If the Giants Coaching Staff  
M.S. : 5/21/2020 8:56 am : link

Can get Andrew Thomas's personality to rub off on Matt Peart, then we've got ourselves quite a player.
if you want extensive game tape on Peart,  
ColHowPepper : 5/21/2020 9:19 am : link
think it was Peter in NH who posted it in his 3rd Round Selection thread, very good stuff, left me quite positive on Peart. BlueLou's and others on his wing span being good and dicey are on point: the holding on the shoulder pads is so out there, so visible, if Peart locks on outside. Also, to BlueLou, his comment on the power and dynamics of uncoiling from 3-point, is more difficult the longer the body is that is uncoiling. Will be a lot of work, but a ton of promise.

Giants had an OT named Guy Whimper several years ago, built a bit similarly to and moved like Peart, both with very good feet, but not nearly the frame Peart has. He came in and played most of the WC game vs Tampa Bay and did well (can't remember who went down, was it Diehl?). But he wasn't motivated, from small town in SC (?), and seemed not cut out for the NFL.
RE: RE: Peart  
HoustonGiant : 5/21/2020 10:01 am : link
In comment 14907786 uconngiant said:
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In comment 14907767 AndyB said:


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The Matt Peart you see on that tape has a chance to have a successful career as a backup swing tackle and special-teamer.

He needs to be bigger, stronger, meaner and much more physical to become an every-down player.

Unless the Giants have injuries at the position Peart will likely spend most of the season inactive on gamedays as he attempts to understand the psychology of the line of scrimmage at the NFL level. Being a nice guy is great- off the field.

Matt Peart has a long way to go.

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You haven't a clue. Just because he played at a losing school doesn't mean he isn't a future starter. I have meant him a couple of times as a season ticket holder and someone who goes to all activities. He will be a starter if not in year one by year two.


Exactly. If you take nothing else from that breakdown, turn the volume off and see which lineman actually controls the line of scrimmage. He is obviously way ahead of the rest of his teammates.....like another level....like NFL level....
I expect to see quite a bit of Peart in the preseason.  
Klaatu : 5/21/2020 10:29 am : link
Not so much in the regular season this year, with two exceptions. Like Will Beatty in his rookie year, Peart may get in as a third TE in short-yardage situations. Towards the end of the year, if and when the Giants are eliminated from playoff contention, I'd expect to see him get some playing time with the first team.
RE: Matt I agree about the holding, and it's something  
NYG007 : 5/21/2020 10:58 am : link
In comment 14907802 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Peart does quite often. With his super long arms and crazy wingspan, it's even more noticeable when locks onto a defender with his hands outside his opponents chest.

Personally I'm guessing his issue is more technique than raw strength. But I also doubt he will start any games this year.


All coaching and adding strength. I am finally confident in a staff we have, including OL coaches, that I we can improve our draft picks to NFL caliber lineman.
Just want to point out  
GiantsLaw : 5/21/2020 11:31 am : link
that he out-benched Mekhi Becton at the combine. Don't recall anyone suggesting Becton needed to get stronger or more powerful. Not that benching is the be-all end-all of power/strength, but still....
CHP, really interesting comparison to Guy Whimper,  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/21/2020 12:20 pm : link
who IIRC was a converted TE (late in his college career?) I get the sense Peart is more motivated than Whimper was, and not just from Edsal saying he is. Pearty has this goofy but real motivation that he "wants to beat Beaty" to be the most successful NFL OT ever to have played at Connecticut.

Re your point:

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...the power and dynamics of uncoiling from 3-point, is more difficult the longer the body is that is uncoiling. Will be a lot of work, but a ton of promise.


I couldn't agree more. The longer a guy is built, the more effort and refinement it takes to learn to uncoil into his blocks.

But we can see he as the requisite body control, I think. It's a matter of 1) good teaching and 2) incessant repetitive practice reps.

Almost literally "the sky is the limit" for Peart long term. But I won't expect much early in his career as a Giant.

It's a pleasure conversing with you.
back at you, BlueLou  
ColHowPepper : 5/21/2020 1:18 pm : link
Whimper actually played well in the TB game, I think he hadn't been scouted much as his playing time was pretty nominal to that point. Think you're right, he may have been a conversion project.

Let's hope Peart's desire to out-Beatty in UConn's NFL OL legacy comes through big time. He's an easy guy to root for. And the door on the Giants' OL is wide open, next year for sure, and maybe earlier.

You have any sense how Judge's staff is guiding rookies, really anyone on the roster, to get weight work done? It's a lot tougher when it's by remote.
RE: BBIrs...  
Carson53 : 5/21/2020 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14907795 Brown_Hornet said:
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...tend to have an overinflated opinion of their football acumen.
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and their teams' draft picks...
RE: back at you, BlueLou  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/21/2020 7:52 pm : link
In comment 14908186 ColHowPepper said:
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Whimper actually played well in the TB game, I think he hadn't been scouted much as his playing time was pretty nominal to that point. Think you're right, he may have been a conversion project.

Let's hope Peart's desire to out-Beatty in UConn's NFL OL legacy comes through big time. He's an easy guy to root for. And the door on the Giants' OL is wide open, next year for sure, and maybe earlier.

You have any sense how Judge's staff is guiding rookies, really anyone on the roster, to get weight work done? It's a lot tougher when it's by remote.


IDK if it's a good thing, but JJ will find out pretty quickly which guys are self driven under the isolation protocol.

I heard, among one of the podcasts I listened to the past 2 weeks, that the Giants actually reached out to supply free weights to players who didn't have their own sets at home, who wanted them.

Can't recall where I'd heard that. Maybe BBKL podcasts.

Peart told a story about his brother helping him install a squat rack in his home (garage or basement I think he said.)

Yes, he's very very likeable, couldn't agree more.

"Beating Beatty" is a realistic and achievable goal for himself, and I think Beatty was underrated here on BBI, although he could have been better than he was with his physical gifts.
RE: back at you, BlueLou  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/21/2020 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14908186 ColHowPepper said:
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Whimper actually played well in the TB game, I think he hadn't been scouted much as his playing time was pretty nominal to that point. Think you're right, he may have been a conversion project.

Let's hope Peart's desire to out-Beatty in UConn's NFL OL legacy comes through big time. He's an easy guy to root for. And the door on the Giants' OL is wide open, next year for sure, and maybe earlier.

You have any sense how Judge's staff is guiding rookies, really anyone on the roster, to get weight work done? It's a lot tougher when it's by remote.


IDK if it's a good thing, but JJ will find out pretty quickly which guys are self driven under the isolation protocol.

I heard, among one of the podcasts I listened to the past 2 weeks, that the Giants actually reached out to supply free weights to players who didn't have their own sets at home, who wanted them.

Can't recall where I'd heard that. Maybe BBKL podcasts.

Peart told a story about his brother helping him install a squat rack in his home (garage or basement I think he said.)

Yes, he's very very likeable, couldn't agree more.

"Beating Beatty" is a realistic and achievable goal for himself, and I think Beatty was underrated here on BBI, although he could have been better than he was with his physical gifts.
I really hope that they have a full training camp  
Jay on the Island : 5/21/2020 10:41 pm : link
Obviously when it comes to the offensive line most eyes will be on Andrew Thomas but I will be keeping a close eye on Nick Gates. IMO it will be very telling where he lines up most.

I'm hoping that he spends most of the time at center where he has a good chance to start. He is far more talented than Pulley and Halapio.
Peart and Thomas  
Dragon : 5/22/2020 7:20 am : link
Peart and Thomas what’s the big difference in actual physical ability, everyone has given Thomas the starting LT position while Peart needs to get bigger and stronger and one year of sideline duty before becoming the starting RT. When you compare these two guys physically Peart beats out Thomas in all aspects except actual weight. They both in my opinion need to get stronger 27 to 35 bench press is a good number. I’ve always believed you don’t learn much standing on the sidelines especially offensive linemen. Soldier for all of his 6-8 only goes 325 so 320 for both of them would be a very good starting weigh. I’m not sleeping on Peart he has as good a chance to be the starting RT as a rookie as Thomas does at LT. Let the young guys play mold them it’s a rebuilding team why not use your younger players and let them grow.
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