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Victor in CT : 5/21/2020 8:13 am
Piniella-Fisk brawl. Bill "Spaceman" Lee had his arm yanked out by Graig Nettles.
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I saw that game  
M.S. : 5/21/2020 8:52 am : link

That was quite a donnybrook.
Nettles needs to chill  
Andy in Halifax : 5/21/2020 8:54 am : link
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RE: I saw that game  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2020 9:00 am : link
In comment 14907889 M.S. said:
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That was quite a donnybrook.


me too. those teams really hated each other. That was a real fight. the Fisk-Munson rivlary really set the tone. Royals-Yanks wasn't too far behind on the hatred scale in that era.
My wife and I were in the upper deck  
bluesince56 : 5/21/2020 9:18 am : link
behind third base. Bill Lee kept yelling and got punched really good. A real fight not a baseball fight were they all dance around
Back when baseball was fun  
ij_reilly : 5/21/2020 9:44 am : link
It was a different game then.

Now every game is a 3 hour bore fest.
I'm not sure I ever saw this brawl before  
Matt M. : 5/21/2020 9:55 am : link
I have read about it, but don't recall seeing actual footage. Who was it that popped Lee after he got up the first time holding his arm and started mouthing off at someone?
Regarding the Yankees-Royals rivalry....  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2020 9:57 am : link
When I was a little kid, the Royals were the team I hated the most, even more than the Red Sox.

Nettles started a crazy brawl in the 1977 ALCS. Brett slid hard into third on a triple, giving Nettles a little shove in the process. Nettles responded by kicking Brett in the stomach and Brett jumped up and threw a haymaker. What seems really nuts watching it today is that no one was ejected.
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RE: Regarding the Yankees-Royals rivalry....  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2020 10:02 am : link
In comment 14907932 Greg from LI said:
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When I was a little kid, the Royals were the team I hated the most, even more than the Red Sox.

Nettles started a crazy brawl in the 1977 ALCS. Brett slid hard into third on a triple, giving Nettles a little shove in the process. Nettles responded by kicking Brett in the stomach and Brett jumped up and threw a haymaker. What seems really nuts watching it today is that no one was ejected. Link - ( New Window )


thats when it was still somewhat old school competition. The end of that era.
RE: Regarding the Yankees-Royals rivalry....  
Matt M. : 5/21/2020 10:12 am : link
In comment 14907932 Greg from LI said:
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When I was a little kid, the Royals were the team I hated the most, even more than the Red Sox.

Nettles started a crazy brawl in the 1977 ALCS. Brett slid hard into third on a triple, giving Nettles a little shove in the process. Nettles responded by kicking Brett in the stomach and Brett jumped up and threw a haymaker. What seems really nuts watching it today is that no one was ejected. Link - ( New Window )
Now, this one I remember and have seen many times. I hated the Royals and Sox equally back then.
I had such a visceral hatred for George Brett at that age  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2020 10:18 am : link
MLB Network recently aired the Pine Tar Game, and it surprised me how quickly the old hatred resurfaced in me while I watch Brett go berserk on Tim McClelland.

Still can't believe that Lee MacPhail overturned the ruling. It may have been a stupid rule, but it was a rule.
RE: I'm not sure I ever saw this brawl before  
LTIsTheGreatest : 5/21/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 14907930 Matt M. said:
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I have read about it, but don't recall seeing actual footage. Who was it that popped Lee after he got up the first time holding his arm and started mouthing off at someone?


That was Graig Nettles
RE: I had such a visceral hatred for George Brett at that age  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2020 10:49 am : link
In comment 14907954 Greg from LI said:
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MLB Network recently aired the Pine Tar Game, and it surprised me how quickly the old hatred resurfaced in me while I watch Brett go berserk on Tim McClelland.

Still can't believe that Lee MacPhail overturned the ruling. It may have been a stupid rule, but it was a rule.


Yeah, George Brett had this bug up his ass because his brother Ken, a pitcher, washed out with the Yankees and they released him.
RE: Regarding the Yankees-Royals rivalry....  
Stu11 : 5/21/2020 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14907932 Greg from LI said:
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When I was a little kid, the Royals were the team I hated the most, even more than the Red Sox.

Nettles started a crazy brawl in the 1977 ALCS. Brett slid hard into third on a triple, giving Nettles a little shove in the process. Nettles responded by kicking Brett in the stomach and Brett jumped up and threw a haymaker. What seems really nuts watching it today is that no one was ejected. Link - ( New Window )

Yep remember that night well even as a 9 year old. That night you could feel the hatred between those 2 teams like heat coming off the astroturf. When Freddie Patek ended the game hitting in a DP I remember him sitting on the bench head in hands sobbing uncontrollably. That Brett-Nettles brawl was no hug/dance fest. There were haymakers all over the place. I think it all started in the '76 LCS when Hal McRae literally knocked Willie Randolph into left field breaking up a double play.
RE: RE: I had such a visceral hatred for George Brett at that age  
Stu11 : 5/21/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14907986 Victor in CT said:
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MLB Network recently aired the Pine Tar Game, and it surprised me how quickly the old hatred resurfaced in me while I watch Brett go berserk on Tim McClelland.

Still can't believe that Lee MacPhail overturned the ruling. It may have been a stupid rule, but it was a rule.



Yeah, George Brett had this bug up his ass because his brother Ken, a pitcher, washed out with the Yankees and they released him.

He really had Goose's and then Righetti's number. I think that 3 run bomb he hit off Goose the clinth the '80 LCS still hasn't come down.
Sorry bad memory-the Randolph-McRae play happened in the same '77  
Stu11 : 5/21/2020 1:02 pm : link
series, game 2. Here is the clip. I still can't understandand how at any time this was a legal play. Of course back then the game was tougher I know that but how can you chase the 2nd baseman past the bag? Amazing that Willie hung onto the ball.
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Thanks for the memories on that original post -  
Del Shofner : 5/21/2020 1:27 pm : link
those were the days. That was the Yankee team that finally went back to the playoffs again, first time since '64.
I remember that game, too....  
rnargi : 5/21/2020 1:51 pm : link
God I loved Nettles. He became my second favorite Yankee that day.
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Victor in CT : 5/21/2020 2:23 pm : link
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MLB Network recently aired the Pine Tar Game, and it surprised me how quickly the old hatred resurfaced in me while I watch Brett go berserk on Tim McClelland.

Still can't believe that Lee MacPhail overturned the ruling. It may have been a stupid rule, but it was a rule.



Yeah, George Brett had this bug up his ass because his brother Ken, a pitcher, washed out with the Yankees and they released him.


He really had Goose's and then Righetti's number. I think that 3 run bomb he hit off Goose the clinth the '80 LCS still hasn't come down.


that he did. And i think he hit the 3 run dinger off Grant Jackson in 1976 Game 5 that led to the Chambliss game winning dinger.
RE: Sorry bad memory-the Randolph-McRae play happened in the same '77  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2020 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14908164 Stu11 said:
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series, game 2. Here is the clip. I still can't understandand how at any time this was a legal play. Of course back then the game was tougher I know that but how can you chase the 2nd baseman past the bag? Amazing that Willie hung onto the ball. Link - ( New Window )


maybe so, but you know what? the game was better then. players policed it, no replays, the game moved along at a pace.
RE: Thanks for the memories on that original post -  
Victor in CT : 5/21/2020 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14908193 Del Shofner said:
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those were the days. That was the Yankee team that finally went back to the playoffs again, first time since '64.


My pleasure. I was born in '64, so that was my first taste of the Yankees bing serious contenders.
RE: I had such a visceral hatred for George Brett at that age  
Matt M. : 5/21/2020 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14907954 Greg from LI said:
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MLB Network recently aired the Pine Tar Game, and it surprised me how quickly the old hatred resurfaced in me while I watch Brett go berserk on Tim McClelland.

Still can't believe that Lee MacPhail overturned the ruling. It may have been a stupid rule, but it was a rule.
I was only 4 when Brett hit the homer off Goose in 1980  
Greg from LI : 5/21/2020 3:08 pm : link
So I didn't see it happen, but I actually do remember dad ranting about it for years afterwards whenever we watched a Yankees-Royals game.
RE: RE: Sorry bad memory-the Randolph-McRae play happened in the same '77  
Matt M. : 5/21/2020 3:18 pm : link
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series, game 2. Here is the clip. I still can't understandand how at any time this was a legal play. Of course back then the game was tougher I know that but how can you chase the 2nd baseman past the bag? Amazing that Willie hung onto the ball. Link - ( New Window )



maybe so, but you know what? the game was better then. players policed it, no replays, the game moved along at a pace.
That play was dirty and against the rules in any era. It wasn't an overslide or even a hard slide. McRae literally hurled his body at Randolph. I remember that play. Watching the clips now. it is hard to see if McRae slid and popped up already or never even truly slid. But, he was hunched over, but feet firmly on 2B and threw his body airborne at Randolph. McRae was a foot or more off the ground.
RE: RE: RE: Sorry bad memory-the Randolph-McRae play happened in the same '77  
Stu11 : 5/21/2020 3:25 pm : link
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series, game 2. Here is the clip. I still can't understandand how at any time this was a legal play. Of course back then the game was tougher I know that but how can you chase the 2nd baseman past the bag? Amazing that Willie hung onto the ball. Link - ( New Window )



maybe so, but you know what? the game was better then. players policed it, no replays, the game moved along at a pace.

That play was dirty and against the rules in any era. It wasn't an overslide or even a hard slide. McRae literally hurled his body at Randolph. I remember that play. Watching the clips now. it is hard to see if McRae slid and popped up already or never even truly slid. But, he was hunched over, but feet firmly on 2B and threw his body airborne at Randolph. McRae was a foot or more off the ground.

I know and ok if you're gonna let him do it how in the hell can you let Patek advance an extra base? How is that not interference? I've always been shocked that the Yanks let him get away with that. Its truly one of the dirtiest plays in modern history.
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Matt M. : 5/21/2020 3:40 pm : link
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series, game 2. Here is the clip. I still can't understandand how at any time this was a legal play. Of course back then the game was tougher I know that but how can you chase the 2nd baseman past the bag? Amazing that Willie hung onto the ball. Link - ( New Window )



maybe so, but you know what? the game was better then. players policed it, no replays, the game moved along at a pace.

That play was dirty and against the rules in any era. It wasn't an overslide or even a hard slide. McRae literally hurled his body at Randolph. I remember that play. Watching the clips now. it is hard to see if McRae slid and popped up already or never even truly slid. But, he was hunched over, but feet firmly on 2B and threw his body airborne at Randolph. McRae was a foot or more off the ground.


I know and ok if you're gonna let him do it how in the hell can you let Patek advance an extra base? How is that not interference? I've always been shocked that the Yanks let him get away with that. Its truly one of the dirtiest plays in modern history.
Well, that's the thing. If they don't call the interference, then it's a live ball and Patek is free to advance.
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