Dirtiest Players in Giants History

in a couple of ex-Raiders in the 1980s who played with that Raider reputation: Kenny Hill and Tedd Watts.

Was always good for a late hit or two a game.

Not sure if that was because he was dirty or just slow.

a guy who had a screw loose was Elvis Patterson. I think he broke the jaw of one of his teammates in locker room fight.

it's because he was better than everyone else, but he was never dirty.

Bob Whtfield's head butt bonanza back in the day probably wasn't the best. And Eric already said Kenny Hill, he was chippy as hell (a Yalie and a Raider).

Mitchell.

...don't recall him being dirty though.

...pretty sure I would have hated him if he was on another team.

the only one who really comes to mind was a CB, I think it was Frank Walker.

This is a question though best answered by other teams IMO.

to throw this out there because it was just one game, but Beckham's meltdown against the Panthers was probably the dirtiest I can recall other than Kenny Hill punching Redskins after kickoff returns.

was here for a cup of coffee

....a couple Eagles players on the radio in the latter part of the 00's say they hated playing us because of all the cheap shots and extra hits our OL would put on them. Even if they won - Monday was awful.

I never think of any Giants players as really dirty, but like I said other teams may feel different.

Eagles fans I know don't think Dawkins was dirty.

Frank Walker is probably the best example I have.

In comment 14908774 Eric from BBI said:

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a guy who had a screw loose was Elvis Patterson. I think he broke the jaw of one of his teammates in locker room fight.

Toast!

but a few years ago a Giants OL gave a real bad cheap shot. I think it was Weston.

I do not recall him being overly penalized but can anyone verify this?

In comment 14908793 Ryan said:

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....a couple Eagles players on the radio in the latter part of the 00's say they hated playing us because of all the cheap shots and extra hits our OL would put on them. Even if they won - Monday was awful.

I can see that. None of our guys were flat out dirty players, but guys like Snee and Seubert were classic play “”through” the whistle type players.

And god I miss have players like that on this team

LT was a textbook tackler he just overpowered people by being athletically gifted and relentless with no regard for his own body or pain threshold. He never laid cheap shots, but he did want to punish you. He wanted to make QBs fear him. Jaworski admitted he was terrified playing against him. When he broke theismans leg LT was visibly shaken and screamed for the cart frantically.

As for dirty, anyone remember Adrian White, the safety in the 80s? He was a head hunter and would lay you out.

In comment 14908788 pjcas18 said:

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the only one who really comes to mind was a CB, I think it was Frank Walker.

Frank Walker wasn't dirty. He just sucked.

I have his autograph.

He signed it "Toast #34"

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In comment 14908788 pjcas18 said: Quote: the only one who really comes to mind was a CB, I think it was Frank Walker. Frank Walker wasn't dirty. He just sucked.

Yes, he did suck, but I remember him taking a lot of penalties (doesn't necessarily mean dirty, but think his were personal fouls, late hit type things, but my memory is a little foggy). I looked him up, surprised to see he lasted 9 seasons in the NFL.

in his last game as coach to keep the dumbass from getting a personal foul after a play.

He was only on the team for a short time in the mid-1990s, he may have had a screw or two loose.

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Never actually made the team to play in a game, but my memory is he was always pushing the envelope in preseason to make his mark. I don’t know if he would be called dirty though

Bob Whitfield definitely was as well.

mean clothes line...eye poke...facemask...horse collar...late belly punch....once stepped on Calvin Hill's nuts.

In comment 14908951 BCD said:

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mean clothes line...eye poke...facemask...horse collar...late belly punch....once stepped on Calvin Hill's nuts.

I resemble that remark ... the op said dirty ... all this stuff you mention was legal back then ... didn’t you ever watch the video ‘the violent world of Sam huff’ ?

the story behind Patterson being known as Toast?

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+1 (when he was a miner)

In comment 14908994 Csonka said:

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the story behind Patterson being known as Toast?

He got burned a lot

Had a mean streak

in the first half of the 2011 Week 14 game at Dallas -- the "JPP blocked FG" game. Tollefson had Murray under control; he didn't have to bring his entire body weight down on Murray's foot/ankle to finish the tackle. But he did.

Murray was having a great rookie year (5.5 ypc) and off to a hot start in that game. If Tollefson doesn't knock him out, there's a significant probability it changes the outcome.

If Giants had gotten the L, they would have been a sub-.500 team that had lost its fifth game in a row. Not only would they have been done for 2011, but the entire next decade of Giants' football would likely have played out very differently if Coughlin and Eli did not have the stamp of two-time SB champs.

As cheap shots go, one of the more momentous.

In comment 14909027 shyster said:

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in the first half of the 2011 Week 14 game at Dallas -- the "JPP blocked FG" game. Tollefson had Murray under control; he didn't have to bring his entire body weight down on Murray's foot/ankle to finish the tackle. But he did. Murray was having a great rookie year (5.5 ypc) and off to a hot start in that game. If Tollefson doesn't knock him out, there's a significant probability it changes the outcome. If Giants had gotten the L, they would have been a sub-.500 team that had lost its fifth game in a row. Not only would they have been done for 2011, but the entire next decade of Giants' football would likely have played out very differently if Coughlin and Eli did not have the stamp of two-time SB champs. As cheap shots go, one of the more momentous.

Wat?

had a pretty dirty hit when playing Jacksonville. He broke Donovin Darius's leg in Tom Coughlin's return to Jacksonville. Here is an article on it.
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He introduced himself to the locker room, quickly getting in a fight with vet Brandon Short ...

On the field, no-one in the history of the NFL had his helmet torn off his head more than him. He played with the rage described by the old adage "give no quarter, expect none"

I remember after a Raiders game that NT John Mendenhall took off his helmet and was hitting Raiders with it...

We played Watchung Hills every year in football and I don’t remember Burt being dirty, but others on his team were...

You’d think this might be easy... Which NY Giant had the most unsportsmanlike conduct penalties? Doesn’t Ourlads track stuff like that?

whose pinky did a 45 degree turnout at the middle joint courtesy of Sam Huff.

I checked and he had played OL for a few years for the Eagles and Cards, so I don't think it was BS.

.... getting a little chippy a few times.

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It’s hard to be objective, but he was clearly a dirty player.

Don’t confuse his questionable off the field lifestyle and decisions with his play.

in like 2006 when he was a few yards out of bounds. I was watching that game with a huge Vick stan and another Giants fan; he was so pissed and we were laughing our asses off.

Also not dirty, but the 07-08-09 line did not let anyone fuck with Eli. O'Hara, Seubert and co would follow him around and maul anyone who touched him even near the whistle. Miss those guys.

I thought it was Adrian White who broke Herb Welch’s jaw.

Shaun Williams wins.

I remember when the Giants were playing the Eagles. One of their receivers was a tall very skinny kid. He had caught a ball and was pushed out-of-bounds by two or three yards ...

Along comes Shaun, and gives him a helmet behind the head, he knocks him out. Shaun never cared about football, just the notches on his belt.

In comment 14909335 Manny in CA said:

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Shaun Williams wins. I remember when the Giants were playing the Eagles. One of their receivers was a tall very skinny kid. He had caught a ball and was pushed out-of-bounds by two or three yards ... Along comes Shaun, and gives him a helmet behind the head, he knocks him out. Shaun never cared about football, just the notches on his belt.

True, now that I remember, Williams didn't care if he got burned as long as he laid a guy out, before or after the whistle.

Shockey wasn't dirty at all. Tough, physical, sure. But I never saw him playing dirty.

I don't think he was cheap. But he was a hard hitter.

He was a big guy and a big hitter, but never dirty that I can recall.

I seem to remember Glenn Parker being a nasty player, but I can't remember anything specific that he did. Maybe it's just in my mind?

In comment 14908769 Eric from BBI said:

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in a couple of ex-Raiders in the 1980s who played with that Raider reputation: Kenny Hill and Tedd Watts.

Every time this comes up I reply to one of your KH posts with my memory of him grabbing a WRs jersey on an incompletion in then end zone and steering the guy so he slammed into the goalpost. Hill moments on Sundays were a running laugh in my house. Clear #1 for me.

He said once he never took a shower in the Meadowlands because he was afraid the water supply was polluted and that's what gave Dan Lloyd and Brian Kelly cancer.

All of these Giants look pretty dirty

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In comment 14908829 Eric from BBI said:

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I have his autograph. He signed it "Toast #34"

Its actually a riot that he embraced that nickname.