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Dirtiest Players in Giants History

Anakim : 5/22/2020 11:06 am
After reading SFGFNCGiantsFan's "Most Hated NFL Player Ever" thread and remembering how dirty and hated guys like Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Flozell Adams, among others, were, who do you think fans of the other teams would list as far as Giants players? LT? Sam Huff?
we brought  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/22/2020 11:08 am : link
in a couple of ex-Raiders in the 1980s who played with that Raider reputation: Kenny Hill and Tedd Watts.
Antonio Pierce  
ron mexico : 5/22/2020 11:08 am : link
Was always good for a late hit or two a game.

Not sure if that was because he was dirty or just slow.
Also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/22/2020 11:10 am : link
a guy who had a screw loose was Elvis Patterson. I think he broke the jaw of one of his teammates in locker room fight.
If LT was hated  
Matt in SGS : 5/22/2020 11:14 am : link
it's because he was better than everyone else, but he was never dirty.

Bob Whtfield's head butt bonanza back in the day probably wasn't the best. And Eric already said Kenny Hill, he was chippy as hell (a Yalie and a Raider).

Brian  
FranknWeezer : 5/22/2020 11:17 am : link
Mitchell.

Tito Wooten was a dirtbag...  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/22/2020 11:17 am : link
...don't recall him being dirty though.
Keith Hamilton played with a mean streak...  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/22/2020 11:18 am : link
...pretty sure I would have hated him if he was on another team.
Damontre Moore?  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2020 11:21 am : link
the only one who really comes to mind was a CB, I think it was Frank Walker.

This is a question though best answered by other teams IMO.
I hate  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/22/2020 11:25 am : link
to throw this out there because it was just one game, but Beckham's meltdown against the Panthers was probably the dirtiest I can recall other than Kenny Hill punching Redskins after kickoff returns.
Brandon Merriweather  
Really : 5/22/2020 11:26 am : link
was here for a cup of coffee
I remember hearing..  
Ryan : 5/22/2020 11:26 am : link
....a couple Eagles players on the radio in the latter part of the 00's say they hated playing us because of all the cheap shots and extra hits our OL would put on them. Even if they won - Monday was awful.
Shockey?  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2020 11:40 am : link
I never think of any Giants players as really dirty, but like I said other teams may feel different.

Eagles fans I know don't think Dawkins was dirty.

Frank Walker is probably the best example I have.
RE: Also  
trueblueinpw : 5/22/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14908774 Eric from BBI said:
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a guy who had a screw loose was Elvis Patterson. I think he broke the jaw of one of his teammates in locker room fight.


Toast!
Can't remember  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/22/2020 11:49 am : link
but a few years ago a Giants OL gave a real bad cheap shot. I think it was Weston.
I have heard Butch Woolfolk was a dirty player.  
jsuds : 5/22/2020 11:50 am : link
I do not recall him being overly penalized but can anyone verify this?
RE: I remember hearing..  
mfsd : 5/22/2020 11:50 am : link
In comment 14908793 Ryan said:
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....a couple Eagles players on the radio in the latter part of the 00's say they hated playing us because of all the cheap shots and extra hits our OL would put on them. Even if they won - Monday was awful.


I can see that. None of our guys were flat out dirty players, but guys like Snee and Seubert were classic play “”through” the whistle type players.

And god I miss have players like that on this team
LT was not a dirty player  
NJBlueTuna : 5/22/2020 12:02 pm : link
LT was a textbook tackler he just overpowered people by being athletically gifted and relentless with no regard for his own body or pain threshold. He never laid cheap shots, but he did want to punish you. He wanted to make QBs fear him. Jaworski admitted he was terrified playing against him. When he broke theismans leg LT was visibly shaken and screamed for the cart frantically.

As for dirty, anyone remember Adrian White, the safety in the 80s? He was a head hunter and would lay you out.
RE: Damontre Moore?  
Gman11 : 5/22/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14908788 pjcas18 said:
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the only one who really comes to mind was a CB, I think it was Frank Walker.


Frank Walker wasn't dirty. He just sucked.
trueblueinpw  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/22/2020 12:03 pm : link
I have his autograph.

He signed it "Toast #34"
RE: RE: Damontre Moore?  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14908828 Gman11 said:
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In comment 14908788 pjcas18 said:


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the only one who really comes to mind was a CB, I think it was Frank Walker.



Frank Walker wasn't dirty. He just sucked.


Yes, he did suck, but I remember him taking a lot of penalties (doesn't necessarily mean dirty, but think his were personal fouls, late hit type things, but my memory is a little foggy). I looked him up, surprised to see he lasted 9 seasons in the NFL.
I remember Fassel tackling Walker  
an_idol_mind : 5/22/2020 12:14 pm : link
in his last game as coach to keep the dumbass from getting a personal foul after a play.
Chris Maumalanga  
truebluelarry : 5/22/2020 12:35 pm : link
He was only on the team for a short time in the mid-1990s, he may have had a screw or two loose.
Jim Burt  
twostepgiants : 5/22/2020 12:56 pm : link
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How about the original HMWG, Frankie Ferrara?  
mfsd : 5/22/2020 12:58 pm : link
Never actually made the team to play in a game, but my memory is he was always pushing the envelope in preseason to make his mark. I don’t know if he would be called dirty though
Kenny Hill is the name that leapt to mind  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2020 1:26 pm : link
Bob Whitfield definitely was as well.
Spider Lockhart  
BCD : 5/22/2020 1:50 pm : link
mean clothes line...eye poke...facemask...horse collar...late belly punch....once stepped on Calvin Hill's nuts.
RE: Spider Lockhart  
Spider56 : 5/22/2020 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14908951 BCD said:
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mean clothes line...eye poke...facemask...horse collar...late belly punch....once stepped on Calvin Hill's nuts.


I resemble that remark ... the op said dirty ... all this stuff you mention was legal back then ... didn’t you ever watch the video ‘the violent world of Sam huff’ ?
anyone know ...  
Csonka : 5/22/2020 2:19 pm : link
the story behind Patterson being known as Toast?
RE: Jim Burt  
Scuzzlebutt : 5/22/2020 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14908883 twostepgiants said:
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+1 (when he was a miner)
RE: anyone know ...  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2020 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14908994 Csonka said:
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the story behind Patterson being known as Toast?


He got burned a lot
Petitgout  
Scuzzlebutt : 5/22/2020 2:24 pm : link
Had a mean streak
Dave Tollefson deliberately broke DeMarco Murray's ankle  
shyster : 5/22/2020 2:38 pm : link
in the first half of the 2011 Week 14 game at Dallas -- the "JPP blocked FG" game. Tollefson had Murray under control; he didn't have to bring his entire body weight down on Murray's foot/ankle to finish the tackle. But he did.

Murray was having a great rookie year (5.5 ypc) and off to a hot start in that game. If Tollefson doesn't knock him out, there's a significant probability it changes the outcome.

If Giants had gotten the L, they would have been a sub-.500 team that had lost its fifth game in a row. Not only would they have been done for 2011, but the entire next decade of Giants' football would likely have played out very differently if Coughlin and Eli did not have the stamp of two-time SB champs.

As cheap shots go, one of the more momentous.

RE: Dave Tollefson deliberately broke DeMarco Murray's ankle  
McNally's_Nuts : 5/22/2020 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14909027 shyster said:
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in the first half of the 2011 Week 14 game at Dallas -- the "JPP blocked FG" game. Tollefson had Murray under control; he didn't have to bring his entire body weight down on Murray's foot/ankle to finish the tackle. But he did.

Murray was having a great rookie year (5.5 ypc) and off to a hot start in that game. If Tollefson doesn't knock him out, there's a significant probability it changes the outcome.

If Giants had gotten the L, they would have been a sub-.500 team that had lost its fifth game in a row. Not only would they have been done for 2011, but the entire next decade of Giants' football would likely have played out very differently if Coughlin and Eli did not have the stamp of two-time SB champs.

As cheap shots go, one of the more momentous.


Wat?
I remember Visanthe Shiancoe  
St. Jimmy : 5/22/2020 3:07 pm : link
had a pretty dirty hit when playing Jacksonville. He broke Donovin Darius's leg in Tom Coughlin's return to Jacksonville. Here is an article on it.
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Shockey, by a LARGE margin ...  
Manny in CA : 5/22/2020 4:24 pm : link

He introduced himself to the locker room, quickly getting in a fight with vet Brandon Short ...

On the field, no-one in the history of the NFL had his helmet torn off his head more than him. He played with the rage described by the old adage "give no quarter, expect none"
Spider wasn’t dirty, but CB Willie Williams was...  
STLGiant : 5/22/2020 4:39 pm : link
I remember after a Raiders game that NT John Mendenhall took off his helmet and was hitting Raiders with it...

We played Watchung Hills every year in football and I don’t remember Burt being dirty, but others on his team were...

You’d think this might be easy... Which NY Giant had the most unsportsmanlike conduct penalties? Doesn’t Ourlads track stuff like that?
I had a gym teacher throughout high school . . . .  
TC : 5/22/2020 5:54 pm : link
whose pinky did a 45 degree turnout at the middle joint courtesy of Sam Huff.

I checked and he had played OL for a few years for the Eagles and Cards, so I don't think it was BS.

I remember Safety Shaun Williams...  
kinard : 5/22/2020 8:30 pm : link
.... getting a little chippy a few times.
Tito Wooten comes to mind.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/22/2020 8:35 pm : link
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Yes to Kenny Hill  
gersh : 5/22/2020 8:50 pm : link
It’s hard to be objective, but he was clearly a dirty player.
And no way was LT dirty  
gersh : 5/22/2020 8:52 pm : link
Don’t confuse his questionable off the field lifestyle and decisions with his play.
Antonio Pierce absolutely leveled Vick  
Mike from SI : 5/22/2020 10:56 pm : link
in like 2006 when he was a few yards out of bounds. I was watching that game with a huge Vick stan and another Giants fan; he was so pissed and we were laughing our asses off.

Also not dirty, but the 07-08-09 line did not let anyone fuck with Eli. O'Hara, Seubert and co would follow him around and maul anyone who touched him even near the whistle. Miss those guys.
Eric  
Jerry K : 5/22/2020 11:02 pm : link
I thought it was Adrian White who broke Herb Welch’s jaw.
I take it back about Shockey ...  
Manny in CA : 5/22/2020 11:31 pm : link

Shaun Williams wins.

I remember when the Giants were playing the Eagles. One of their receivers was a tall very skinny kid. He had caught a ball and was pushed out-of-bounds by two or three yards ...

Along comes Shaun, and gives him a helmet behind the head, he knocks him out. Shaun never cared about football, just the notches on his belt.
RE: I take it back about Shockey ...  
FStubbs : 5/23/2020 8:56 am : link
In comment 14909335 Manny in CA said:
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Shaun Williams wins.

I remember when the Giants were playing the Eagles. One of their receivers was a tall very skinny kid. He had caught a ball and was pushed out-of-bounds by two or three yards ...

Along comes Shaun, and gives him a helmet behind the head, he knocks him out. Shaun never cared about football, just the notches on his belt.


True, now that I remember, Williams didn't care if he got burned as long as he laid a guy out, before or after the whistle.

Shockey wasn't dirty at all. Tough, physical, sure. But I never saw him playing dirty.
Sam Garnes?  
adamg : 5/23/2020 8:59 am : link
I don't think he was cheap. But he was a hard hitter.

No, Garnes wasn't dirty at all  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2020 12:41 pm : link
He was a big guy and a big hitter, but never dirty that I can recall.

I seem to remember Glenn Parker being a nasty player, but I can't remember anything specific that he did. Maybe it's just in my mind?
RE: we brought  
Racer : 5/23/2020 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14908769 Eric from BBI said:
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in a couple of ex-Raiders in the 1980s who played with that Raider reputation: Kenny Hill and Tedd Watts.


Every time this comes up I reply to one of your KH posts with my memory of him grabbing a WRs jersey on an incompletion in then end zone and steering the guy so he slammed into the goalpost. Hill moments on Sundays were a running laugh in my house. Clear #1 for me.
Harry Carson  
Giant4Life : 5/27/2020 4:46 pm : link
He said once he never took a shower in the Meadowlands because he was afraid the water supply was polluted and that's what gave Dan Lloyd and Brian Kelly cancer.
1964 Mud Bowl: New York Giants at St. Louis Cardinals  
US1 Giants : 5/27/2020 4:55 pm : link
All of these Giants look pretty dirty

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RE: trueblueinpw  
PatersonPlank : 5/27/2020 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14908829 Eric from BBI said:
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I have his autograph.

He signed it "Toast #34"


Its actually a riot that he embraced that nickname.
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