Some of those 'losses' are addition by subtraction, Bethea, Remmers, Halapio (hopefully), etc.
On balance the assessments of the exec and scout were positive, with the most interesting comments to me being that Ballantine potentially has the most upside at corner and Lemieux too slow to be a good C. Lemieux was viewed as a grinder, bulldog type, so may be a legit observation.
Good write up. Little disappointing to read the blurb about Lemioux. Was thinking that the team thinks he could be the answer tat center if we wait a year. Looks to me that the big holes on the team are center and edge rusher. The Giants should be a better team, maybe a much better team than last year but the win loss record might be the around the same, maybe a little better or maybe a little worse.
I had this thought about why they went for Lemioux and not someone who played center in college. Given that there’s a new offense that everyone but especially Daniel Jones has to learn. Plus, most rookie OLs especially later round linemen have to get bigger and stronger, so it’s not likely they would want to go with a rookie center. So, if whoever they drafted was probably going to be redshirted, maybe they were thinking more long term and that Lemioux with a year under his belt might be a better center than the guys who played center in college. Have to admit I felt better about him until,Inread the evaluation in this post that he’s not fast enough.
I suspect Pulley will not make it easy for a rookie to start at center
I’m pretty happy with Slayton, , Connelly and possibly Ballantine. In fact when Baker got arrested, realized that Gettleman gave up a 4th and a 5th plus the 2nd. The way Gettleman drafted last year, that 4th and 5th could have been really good.
A good read from Raanan, and I don't say that often.
In regards to Lemieux, he doesn't need to play Center in order for it to be a successful pick. If Zeitler's play slips at all, he can be cut in 2021, or Lemieux is his replacement in 2022.
At worst, he provides viable depth at both Guard spots before that time. The Giants will be in the market for a Center next year to finish the rebuild of the OL.
I had this thought about why they went for Lemioux and not someone who played center in college. Given that there’s a new offense that everyone but especially Daniel Jones has to learn. Plus, most rookie OLs especially later round linemen have to get bigger and stronger, so it’s not likely they would want to go with a rookie center. So, if whoever they drafted was probably going to be redshirted, maybe they were thinking more long term and that Lemioux with a year under his belt might be a better center than the guys who played center in college. Have to admit I felt better about him until,Inread the evaluation in this post that he’s not fast enough.
The Giants drafted Lemieux because he was on of the best guards in the draft and the fact he was still there in the 5th round was a steal. Most rookies don't start. Most teams don't expect them to start unless they were drafted high and the need is desperate.
Lemieux has the ability and temperament to be an interior lineman in the NFL for a long time. Can he play center? Unknown. We shall see.
A correction, the scout was talking about quickness, not speed.
middle of the road in pass D. Problem is it's hard to see that.
McKinney I think has to have a big rookie year AND Beal needs to be a big contributor for that to happen IMO.
Plus I think in clear passing situations we match up better if Holmes can be a contributor that solves a big problem. But think we are very vulnerable to teams that can get us with our LBs on the field and then spread us out.
I would do this every year. Every draft should include a late round interior lineman. Just keep throwing that sht against the wall until something sticks.
Also so many college tackles are play out of position just because they are the best linemen on the team so they put them at Tackle but they have no chance of playing there in the NFL.
over the amount of injuries and issues we've had at the skill positions but we have literally experienced the worst of the worst and all at the same time. It cant possibly go down from where we've been and I feel like the consensus here lately is that it can.
Thats almost impossible.
Realistically and statistically probable, it's very likely a young QB throwing to Slayton, Tate, Shepard, Engram, and Barkley is a very good thing in comparison to most teams around the NFL.
I would do this every year. Every draft should include a late round interior lineman. Just keep throwing that sht against the wall until something sticks.
Also so many college tackles are play out of position just because they are the best linemen on the team so they put them at Tackle but they have no chance of playing there in the NFL.
Completely agree. Every year we see a guy who flunked the combine but was a good player for a major program and, surprise, they're pretty good players in the NFL. It's not always pretty up front and some guys just know how to get it done.
Raanan looks like such a douche with the hooded sweatshirt in those interviews.
I'm not sure what look he is going for, but someone needs to tell him he looks silly.
It's going to compete based on fundamentals, scheme and versatility, because there are no gamebreakers at this point. I think they have a chance to be really good against the run, and they have a bunch of guys who will be flying around the ball.
You have to hope they sign Golden and another Edge Rusher shakes loose in training camp cuts.
Gene, I think you have the answers--shuttle and 3-cone--to what the exec is saying about Lemieux' limitations at C position. If he was way below average in those measures, that would kind of line up with draft pundits' assessments, strong, grinder type, good nasties, but may not line up with our need for C.
GiantJohn, agree, was thinking about this yesterday hours after my early comment in this thread, saying to myself, whoa! That's a very rose colored view of our WR group.
On balance the assessments of the exec and scout were positive, with the most interesting comments to me being that Ballantine potentially has the most upside at corner and Lemieux too slow to be a good C. Lemieux was viewed as a grinder, bulldog type, so may be a legit observation.
I tell you guys, we got three eventual starters on the OL. If he can play center, Lemieux will start sooner than later.
I hope the battle for center will everyone battling better.
The turnaround starts now.
Likely the 4th Rd pick will battle for the slot corner.
The 3rd and 5th picks have longterm potential as possibly some of later picks and udfa.
Where he is below average is in burst and agility, based on the Combine results.
So, straight ahead speed is above average and lateral ability is below average.
Tested at 310 lbs. Is that big enough to play OG. Maybe but should be big enough to play C.
In regards to Lemieux, he doesn't need to play Center in order for it to be a successful pick. If Zeitler's play slips at all, he can be cut in 2021, or Lemieux is his replacement in 2022.
At worst, he provides viable depth at both Guard spots before that time. The Giants will be in the market for a Center next year to finish the rebuild of the OL.
The Giants drafted Lemieux because he was on of the best guards in the draft and the fact he was still there in the 5th round was a steal. Most rookies don't start. Most teams don't expect them to start unless they were drafted high and the need is desperate.
Lemieux has the ability and temperament to be an interior lineman in the NFL for a long time. Can he play center? Unknown. We shall see.
A correction, the scout was talking about quickness, not speed.
McKinney I think has to have a big rookie year AND Beal needs to be a big contributor for that to happen IMO.
Plus I think in clear passing situations we match up better if Holmes can be a contributor that solves a big problem. But think we are very vulnerable to teams that can get us with our LBs on the field and then spread us out.
Shuttle and 3-Cone measure agility.
Lemieux measured way below average as to Vertical, Shuttle and 3-Cone but above average as to Broad Jump.
Would have liked Ranaan to ask, OK the Giants are improved over last year but who in NFC East, if any, also improved and by how much..
You’re getting burned by not believing in a great season.
Do you really “feel better,” if you expect a shit season and it’s a shit season?
Expect greatness, enjoy the build up and the start of the season.
Roll with the punches.
Regardless of how the season unfolds, you will have had the build up and maybe a few “I told you so’s.”
Do yourself a favor and don’t allow yourself to not be optimistic!
Also so many college tackles are play out of position just because they are the best linemen on the team so they put them at Tackle but they have no chance of playing there in the NFL.
Thats almost impossible.
Realistically and statistically probable, it's very likely a young QB throwing to Slayton, Tate, Shepard, Engram, and Barkley is a very good thing in comparison to most teams around the NFL.
Also so many college tackles are play out of position just because they are the best linemen on the team so they put them at Tackle but they have no chance of playing there in the NFL.
Completely agree. Every year we see a guy who flunked the combine but was a good player for a major program and, surprise, they're pretty good players in the NFL. It's not always pretty up front and some guys just know how to get it done.
I'm not sure what look he is going for, but someone needs to tell him he looks silly.
You have to hope they sign Golden and another Edge Rusher shakes loose in training camp cuts.
Only to Buck Allen is that key loss. I must have missed the big contract he signed.
GiantJohn, agree, was thinking about this yesterday hours after my early comment in this thread, saying to myself, whoa! That's a very rose colored view of our WR group.