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Raanan NYG position analysis by a scout and a personnel exec

Defenderdawg : 5/22/2020 1:49 pm
I posted this as part of a longer thread this morning but it deserves its own mention:

Somewhat positive:

Jordan Raanan: A look at the Giants roster through the eyes of a scout and executive. Kind of surprised by the result:
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thank you, D'dawg  
ColHowPepper : 5/22/2020 2:06 pm : link
Some of those 'losses' are addition by subtraction, Bethea, Remmers, Halapio (hopefully), etc.

On balance the assessments of the exec and scout were positive, with the most interesting comments to me being that Ballantine potentially has the most upside at corner and Lemieux too slow to be a good C. Lemieux was viewed as a grinder, bulldog type, so may be a legit observation.
Thank You DD  
Samiam : 5/22/2020 2:11 pm : link
Good write up. Little disappointing to read the blurb about Lemioux. Was thinking that the team thinks he could be the answer tat center if we wait a year. Looks to me that the big holes on the team are center and edge rusher. The Giants should be a better team, maybe a much better team than last year but the win loss record might be the around the same, maybe a little better or maybe a little worse.
He was a 5th rounder  
Chip : 5/22/2020 2:43 pm : link
For every David Diehl there are 20 failures. However he did get Connelly and Slayton right kudos to DG.
I'm not going to allow myself to be optimistic.  
Mike from SI : 5/22/2020 3:14 pm : link
I've been burned too many times over the past 5 years. I want a year of competent football and few blowouts; that's all.
RE: He was a 5th rounder  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/22/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14909038 Chip said:
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For every David Diehl there are 20 failures. However he did get Connelly and Slayton right kudos to DG.


I tell you guys, we got three eventual starters on the OL. If he can play center, Lemieux will start sooner than later.
Eric  
Samiam : 5/22/2020 3:32 pm : link
I had this thought about why they went for Lemioux and not someone who played center in college. Given that there’s a new offense that everyone but especially Daniel Jones has to learn. Plus, most rookie OLs especially later round linemen have to get bigger and stronger, so it’s not likely they would want to go with a rookie center. So, if whoever they drafted was probably going to be redshirted, maybe they were thinking more long term and that Lemioux with a year under his belt might be a better center than the guys who played center in college. Have to admit I felt better about him until,Inread the evaluation in this post that he’s not fast enough.
I suspect Pulley will not make it easy for a rookie to start at center  
George from PA : 5/22/2020 3:34 pm : link
I know BBI is down on Pulley....but he has plenty of experience. He will be 27, a prime age.

I hope the battle for center will everyone battling better.
I think this team is gonna surprise people  
twostepgiants : 5/22/2020 3:39 pm : link
And is vastly improved

The turnaround starts now.
Also, it is nice to see drafts beyond the 2nd RD that offer potential  
George from PA : 5/22/2020 3:39 pm : link
No doubt the first 2 picks will battle for a starting position.

Likely the 4th Rd pick will battle for the slot corner.

The 3rd and 5th picks have longterm potential as possibly some of later picks and udfa.
George  
Samiam : 5/22/2020 3:43 pm : link
I’m pretty happy with Slayton, , Connelly and possibly Ballantine. In fact when Baker got arrested, realized that Gettleman gave up a 4th and a 5th plus the 2nd. The way Gettleman drafted last year, that 4th and 5th could have been really good.
Based on Combine results, Lemieux  
Gene Filipski : 5/22/2020 3:55 pm : link
has above average speed for an OL in the 10 yd and 40 yd run.

Where he is below average is in burst and agility, based on the Combine results.

So, straight ahead speed is above average and lateral ability is below average.

Tested at 310 lbs. Is that big enough to play OG. Maybe but should be big enough to play C.
The rare positive article about the Giants  
gmen9892 : 5/22/2020 4:12 pm : link
A good read from Raanan, and I don't say that often.

In regards to Lemieux, he doesn't need to play Center in order for it to be a successful pick. If Zeitler's play slips at all, he can be cut in 2021, or Lemieux is his replacement in 2022.

At worst, he provides viable depth at both Guard spots before that time. The Giants will be in the market for a Center next year to finish the rebuild of the OL.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/22/2020 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14909086 Samiam said:
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I had this thought about why they went for Lemioux and not someone who played center in college. Given that there’s a new offense that everyone but especially Daniel Jones has to learn. Plus, most rookie OLs especially later round linemen have to get bigger and stronger, so it’s not likely they would want to go with a rookie center. So, if whoever they drafted was probably going to be redshirted, maybe they were thinking more long term and that Lemioux with a year under his belt might be a better center than the guys who played center in college. Have to admit I felt better about him until,Inread the evaluation in this post that he’s not fast enough.


The Giants drafted Lemieux because he was on of the best guards in the draft and the fact he was still there in the 5th round was a steal. Most rookies don't start. Most teams don't expect them to start unless they were drafted high and the need is desperate.

Lemieux has the ability and temperament to be an interior lineman in the NFL for a long time. Can he play center? Unknown. We shall see.

A correction, the scout was talking about quickness, not speed.
Gene  
XBRONX : 5/22/2020 4:29 pm : link
what at the combine measures burst in regards to OL?
We could definitely surprise if we are even  
NoGainDayne : 5/22/2020 5:19 pm : link
middle of the road in pass D. Problem is it's hard to see that.

McKinney I think has to have a big rookie year AND Beal needs to be a big contributor for that to happen IMO.

Plus I think in clear passing situations we match up better if Holmes can be a contributor that solves a big problem. But think we are very vulnerable to teams that can get us with our LBs on the field and then spread us out.
XBRONX  
Gene Filipski : 5/22/2020 5:20 pm : link
Vertical Jump and Broad Jump.

Shuttle and 3-Cone measure agility.

Lemieux measured way below average as to Vertical, Shuttle and 3-Cone but above average as to Broad Jump.
When you look at the overall comments of both the scout and the exec,  
Gene Filipski : 5/22/2020 5:26 pm : link
appears they both conclude that the Giants are improved over last year.

Would have liked Ranaan to ask, OK the Giants are improved over last year but who in NFC East, if any, also improved and by how much..
RE: I'm not going to allow myself to be optimistic.  
Brown_Hornet : 5/22/2020 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14909074 Mike from SI said:
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I've been burned too many times over the past 5 years. I want a year of competent football and few blowouts; that's all.

You’re getting burned by not believing in a great season.

Do you really “feel better,” if you expect a shit season and it’s a shit season?

Expect greatness, enjoy the build up and the start of the season.
Roll with the punches.

Regardless of how the season unfolds, you will have had the build up and maybe a few “I told you so’s.”

Do yourself a favor and don’t allow yourself to not be optimistic!
Re:5th round G  
rasbutant : 5/22/2020 10:02 pm : link
I would do this every year. Every draft should include a late round interior lineman. Just keep throwing that sht against the wall until something sticks.

Also so many college tackles are play out of position just because they are the best linemen on the team so they put them at Tackle but they have no chance of playing there in the NFL.
I don’t agree with his assessment  
Giant John : 5/22/2020 10:28 pm : link
Of our receivers. Slayton I like. Tate is another year older. Juicing? Shepard? Just a hit away. Hoping one of the kids comes along.
I totally get being down lately  
ZGiants98 : 5/22/2020 11:52 pm : link
over the amount of injuries and issues we've had at the skill positions but we have literally experienced the worst of the worst and all at the same time. It cant possibly go down from where we've been and I feel like the consensus here lately is that it can.

Thats almost impossible.

Realistically and statistically probable, it's very likely a young QB throwing to Slayton, Tate, Shepard, Engram, and Barkley is a very good thing in comparison to most teams around the NFL.
RE: Re:5th round G  
widmerseyebrow : 5/23/2020 1:07 am : link
In comment 14909287 rasbutant said:
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I would do this every year. Every draft should include a late round interior lineman. Just keep throwing that sht against the wall until something sticks.

Also so many college tackles are play out of position just because they are the best linemen on the team so they put them at Tackle but they have no chance of playing there in the NFL.


Completely agree. Every year we see a guy who flunked the combine but was a good player for a major program and, surprise, they're pretty good players in the NFL. It's not always pretty up front and some guys just know how to get it done.
I have to say this  
ZogZerg : 5/23/2020 9:30 am : link
Raanan looks like such a douche with the hooded sweatshirt in those interviews.
I'm not sure what look he is going for, but someone needs to tell him he looks silly.
This defense is going to be interesting  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/23/2020 10:10 am : link
It's going to compete based on fundamentals, scheme and versatility, because there are no gamebreakers at this point. I think they have a chance to be really good against the run, and they have a bunch of guys who will be flying around the ball.

You have to hope they sign Golden and another Edge Rusher shakes loose in training camp cuts.
I still think  
NikkiMac : 5/23/2020 10:35 am : link
Ximinez is getting better and is going to be a major factor
Raanan is definitely not a homer, so this is a good sign  
Ira : 5/23/2020 11:51 am : link
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Was Sean O'Hara  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/23/2020 12:36 pm : link
Nadia frigging Comanechi at the combines?
Key Losses: Buck Allen  
ZogZerg : 5/23/2020 12:38 pm : link
LOL!

Only to Buck Allen is that key loss. I must have missed the big contract he signed.
Gene, GiantJohn  
ColHowPepper : 5/23/2020 12:38 pm : link
Gene, I think you have the answers--shuttle and 3-cone--to what the exec is saying about Lemieux' limitations at C position. If he was way below average in those measures, that would kind of line up with draft pundits' assessments, strong, grinder type, good nasties, but may not line up with our need for C.

GiantJohn, agree, was thinking about this yesterday hours after my early comment in this thread, saying to myself, whoa! That's a very rose colored view of our WR group.
They like our receivers better than I do  
Giant4Life : 5/27/2020 2:06 pm : link
I'll trust their analysis over mine. Glad to hear it.
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