Case in point this Bucky Brooks article. I saw nothing in Kyler Murray to make me think he’ll win an MVP in year two. I saw a very conservative play calls with short passes. Why are analyst so high on this kid? He has Hopkins now, which is a big get but Larry Fitz is washed and Christian Kirk can’t stay healthy.
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He's not terrible, but I don't see greatness in him.
He's not terrible, but I don't see greatness in him.
He stole that award from Josh Jacobs, but he plays the sexy position.
Also, theIr defense being a sieve helped Murray out unlike what the writer claims, Murray got more possessions and more throwing opportunities because of the bad defense and always having to play from behind, Jones benefited from this as well.
I don’t think he’s a bad QB. But this guy is saying that he’ll be the MVP of the whole league next year. It’s a pretty bold assertion.
Also, theIr defense being a sieve helped Murray out unlike what the writer claims, Murray got more possessions and more throwing opportunities because of the bad defense and always having to play from behind, Jones benefited from this as well.
Great post.
Dwayne Haskins 67.6
Daniel Jones 65.7
Kyler Murray 64.2
He had a total of 14 turnovers combined in 16 games. Jones had 23 in basically 12. Murray had a higher completion percentage, yards gained per attempt, and was dead even with Jones in yards per game.
Jones had the leg up on TDs and yards per rush attempt.
I think their seasons were actually pretty comparable.
Who cares?
I do not.....unless they are in the Giants way.
What does the term ‘system QB’ mean? They designed the offense to take advantage of what he does best, which is what a good staff does. If you have an immobile pocket passer, you design the system differently.
The colts didn’t ask Peyton Manning to run many draws or keepers to keep the defense honest. He was strictly a drop back passer. He likely wouldn’t be effective in the system Arizona runs, Does that make Peyton Manning a system QB?
An effective coach emphasizes what his players do best. The offense should be tailored to their strengths. Not sure why that is a knock.
Pretty stupid analysis on the part of Brooks.
He looks like Gary Coleman out there!
Yeah Drew Brees really didn’t accomplish much. Or is the 2” difference between Brees and Murray the determinant.
Russell Wilson is 1” taller than him and he’s a top 3 QB in the league. That’s not a fair statement at all.
That’s true but Murray has more arm talent than Wilson IMO. He has a great arm for a guy so small.
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Midget QBs don't last in the NFL. Not For Long as Jerry Glanville used to say...
Russell Wilson is 1” taller than him and he’s a top 3 QB in the league. That’s not a fair statement at all.
They're not the same. Wilson stays out of trouble.
Well he had a good first year with training wheels on. Maybe he is ready for bigger and better. If you think his upside is very good and a force, and potential MVP in a few years then not sure your OP is aligned.
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I think his upside is very good and he will be a force for many years to come. My issue is that he is being elevated to MVP consideration, when I think he’s still a few years away from it. From what I saw of him, the offense he ran was on training wheels. Short passes, and designed runs for him.
Well he had a good first year with training wheels on. Maybe he is ready for bigger and better. If you think his upside is very good and a force, and potential MVP in a few years then not sure your OP is aligned.
A few years and way and next year aren’t the same thing.
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I think his upside is very good and he will be a force for many years to come. My issue is that he is being elevated to MVP consideration, when I think he’s still a few years away from it. From what I saw of him, the offense he ran was on training wheels. Short passes, and designed runs for him.
Well he had a good first year with training wheels on. Maybe he is ready for bigger and better. If you think his upside is very good and a force, and potential MVP in a few years then not sure your OP is aligned.
A few years and way and next year aren’t the same thing.
A few years away and next year aren’t the same thing.*
Do you think Ravens fans would trade Jackson's MVP for another Lombardi Trophy? I think they would. I know I would if I was a Ravens fan.
Let anyone who wants to slobber all over Murray, or any other QB. Last team standing is all that matters to me.
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I just see multiple NFL analyst proclaiming this kid as a franchise QB after a 1 season. Now Brooks is saying that he can be a MVP winner in year 2. Jones had just as good a rookie season, and no one is as high on Jones as Murray. Only hardcore Giants fans.
Both played behind bad O-lines. Jones arguably lost his two most talented weapons for big chunks of the season in Barkley and Engram.
As pointed out the stats comparison is a straw man argument as Brooks didn't account for games played in his analysis. DJ would have surpassed Murray's numbers with ease over 16 starts.
I'm fine with people liking and being positive about Murray's season and future but to elevate him as some have and are doesn't compute logically.
You wouldn't hear the end of it if the Giants did that.
Meanwhile Kingsbury and his Fantasy Football style player acquisition gets praised by the dopes in media.
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in year 2 either. But you also don’t seem to debate Brooks’ assessment and upside on Murray, only his timeframe. Nor is one article a lovefest, so what are we really disputing here?
I just see multiple NFL analyst proclaiming this kid as a franchise QB after a 1 season. Now Brooks is saying that he can be a MVP winner in year 2. Jones had just as good a rookie season, and no one is as high on Jones as Murray. Only hardcore Giants fans.
That’s BS. Lots of folks in football world are high on Jones. Who if can get the fumble problem under control, has a bright future.
And you keep saying you’re not dissing Murray but that is exactly what you are doing. And from what I can tell it’s because you are bringing in your emotional feelings about the Giants and Jones and some feeling that the sports media doesn’t give them both enough respect...a common yet silly theme seen on BBI.
But back to Murray and his trajectory as a franchise QB. In the last two years Murray has only won the Heisman Trophy, been selected overall #1 in NFL Draft, started at QB since day 1, had very solid stats both passing and running the ball, added a few more wins to the team’s total versus prior year and then won Offensive Rookie of the Year.
Logic should tell you that Murray is doing everything expected of him, and that has nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
Ok?
Yeah that’s not a lazy generalization at all. Cmon dude.
Drew Brees, Doug flutie, Russell Wilson even joe Montana wasn’t that big.
There's a ton of people here that downgraded because of his size, but he doesn't take hits. I'm more worried about DJ there because he probably took as many hits in one season as Murray will in 5. RW is very adept about using his mobility without taking too many hits as well, but Kyler just rarely takes em at all. It's interesting too watch. Remember when Eli realized he was done and just went down and ducked. Murray does the same thing but because he's smaller and much more athletic he barely gets touched.
They are trying to emulate the Ravens on a team with far less talent with a completely different type of QB. Building an offense around the QB has ended a hell of a lot more coaching careers than it has lifted QB's to stardom. The guys Murray gets compared to - Wilson and Brees didn't have offenses built around them. They brought their talents at QB to the offenses they play in.
That’s BS. Lots of folks in football world are high on Jones. Who if can get the fumble problem under control, has a bright future.
And you keep saying you’re not dissing Murray but that is exactly what you are doing. And from what I can tell it’s because you are bringing in your emotional feelings about the Giants and Jones and some feeling that the sports media doesn’t give them both enough respect...a common yet silly theme seen on BBI.
But back to Murray and his trajectory as a franchise QB. In the last two years Murray has only won the Heisman Trophy, been selected overall #1 in NFL Draft, started at QB since day 1, had very solid stats both passing and running the ball, added a few more wins to the team’s total versus prior year and then won Offensive Rookie of the Year.
Logic should tell you that Murray is doing everything expected of him, and that has nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
Ok?
How am I dissing him? I’ve defended him on this thread on more than one occasion. I’ve already stated that he’s quite not ready to compete for the MVP just yet. Thats my opinion and it has nothing to do with Jones. Does it irk me that Murray is getting hype up and Jones isn’t, yes I want my guy to succeed to be looked as a future MVP candidate. But that has nothing to do with saying that Murray isn’t at the level yet.
100% agree
I like Jones, I wouldn't trade him for Murray. I saw Jones make too many awesome throws and see the potential. But at the same time, I disagree with those who think he had a better rookie year than Murray overall. Jones had 18 fumbles vs. Murray's 5! That's just insane and was such a clear flaw in Jones' game. Hopefully he can figure it out.
There's a ton of people here that downgraded because of his size, but he doesn't take hits. I'm more worried about DJ there because he probably took as many hits in one season as Murray will in 5. RW is very adept about using his mobility without taking too many hits as well, but Kyler just rarely takes em at all. It's interesting too watch. Remember when Eli realized he was done and just went down and ducked. Murray does the same thing but because he's smaller and much more athletic he barely gets touched.
He took 48 sacks last year. Good for third amongst QB's. To say he doesn't take hits just isn't accurate. Hell, he was sacked more last year than Eli was in any one season over his career.
Even Mahomes wasn't projected to be on the level they're touting those other guys at least until he became the full time starter. And he had by far the best offensive coaching and supporting talent. Deshaun Watson was seen rather similarly.
All these mobile guys have arm talent but if they had average mobility like Jared Goff, I'm not sure if they're any better than Goff.
The league is now in love with these guys so they'll help them out as much as possible. But with average mobility not sure any of them are top 10.
Lamar is considered top 3 by so many analysts and yet when the playoffs come and the mobility is eliminated, he's bottom half (at best), probably bottom third. At least Kaepernick maintained a top 12 ability in January...
Mobile wins September thru Decemeber, Pocket wins in January/February.
So a pundit makes a prediction looking for someone to make a similar leap, big deal?
Murray had a very nice rookie season and someone out there thinks he can make a similar leap like Mahomes and Jackson did.
It’s nit like there is a groundswell out there with this opinion. Hardly a “lovefest”