with more than a few grains of salt, but Mario Cristobal, Lemieux's HC and previously OL coach at Oregon, seems to really love Lemieux for his toughness and dedication.
Cristobal has ties to JJ from the past (at Bama, I think) but there's even a deeper, older connection between Cristobal and the Giants.
The Giants drafted OG Luis Cristobal (Sr), Mario's brother, in 1991 in the 10th round to play OG.
Does that mean anything? Well at the very least I suggest we're not gonna find any attitude or work ethic issues with Lemieux, and whatever he's got the Giants will get 100% effort from the kid.
If he even comes close to duplicating Rich Seubert's body of work with the Giants that'll be great for a 5th rounder.
It's interesting O'Hara didn't mention Diehl as a comp. I'm guessing SOH doesn't see the footwork by Lemieux to have the incredible versatility Diehl exhibited as a Giant. Lemieux's prolly strictly an interior OL.
I've had the chance to watch Lemieux quite a bit over the course of his college career and while I'm eager to see how the transition to center plays out, I ultimately think his best position is at Guard.
2001 training camp, McNally lets go of his nuts just long enough to pull Seubert aside and introduce him to Wellington Mara. You knew Seubert was not your typical undrafted rookie at that point.
p.s.--"At one point everyone was excited about Ereck Flowers"--Amani Toomer.
RE: Sy pointed out that when Oregon lost their Center
they flipped a tackle inside rather then move Lemieux. That's interesting.
Not really interesting. Lemieux never played center before and hadn't started doing so until after his season. He only started doing it to make himself more valuable to NFL teams increasing the chance he sticks in the NFL as well as potentially increasing where he got drafted.
I thought this about him from long ago. And, I thinking’s especially true about the OL. Unless you are super talented, sometimes the gap between making in the league and not making it is very slim. Lots of OL guys come out of college and need just the right coaching to succeed presuming they will work very hard and have the brains to understand what they need to do as an individual and as part of the OL grouping. In my theory, Seubert needed to learn something Ha from a good pro coach to compensate for his lack of super talent and he did and over time, In part because he and his linemates were smart and hard working and relatively health, that OL became very one of the best if unsung. They were not all that talented but they got the job done.
I had the same kind of thought when they drafted Lemioux hoping that we had another Seubert. I don’t know if he’s the center of the future but I think we have a starter here somewhere.
He would be an ideal replacement for zeitler, maybe if in 2021 if it’s for cap reasons
Versatility is a beautiful thing but yeah, if all he does is become a quality starting OG in this league we can't be anything but super happy!
I'm with Eric, I really hope we drafted three starting OL's for 2021. My hope is Peart and Lemiuex get some starts and playing time this year if warranted so they get the taste of what the NFL is like FULL SPEED and prepare for 2021 when we make our run.
The number of folks around here who want to ditch Zeitler by 2021 is
astounding. Like the Giants will have a stellar OL by then of mostly second year players, with the only vet leadership in Will Hernandez, whom must of BBI said "SUCKED!" last year, his second.
It's just that you hear people pumping up draft picks every single year. Maybe Lemieux WILL become the second coming of Rich Seubert, but until he takes the field it's just a bunch of hot air, even coming from someone with O'Hara's background.
RE: I'm not even down on the Lemieux pick or anything
It's just that you hear people pumping up draft picks every single year. Maybe Lemieux WILL become the second coming of Rich Seubert, but until he takes the field it's just a bunch of hot air, even coming from someone with O'Hara's background.
Totally. I hope he succeeds. But this shit is so meaningless. Every year it’s like deja vu all over again. Who remembers where they were when Lomas brown said dayne moved like sanders?
but implication of BBC's post tends to align with the scout/exec thread on Giants' draftees where scout said Lemieux likely not quick enough to play C, and someone put up his short shuttle and 3-cone ## at Combine, which showed him toward the bottom of interior OL.
But Garrett OL scheme may be relevant in this assessment, so we'll wait and see.
if he can play center. I think Zeitler and his injury last year are a concern to the Giants. Regardless, we need these later pics to become starters...it is how championship caliber lines are built imo.
but implication of BBC's post tends to align with the scout/exec thread on Giants' draftees where scout said Lemieux likely not quick enough to play C, and someone put up his short shuttle and 3-cone ## at Combine, which showed him toward the bottom of interior OL.
But Garrett OL scheme may be relevant in this assessment, so we'll wait and see.
CHP, I've come to the point where if I read some scout (or analyst, pundit, or former GM) says that a guy's three cone and short shuttle indicate he might not be quick enough to be an OC, I come away thinking "that guy probably hasn't seen enough tape of xxx prospect to have a truly informed opinion."
I mean yeah, playing center well requires some quickness but that type of quickness - one or two steps firing off the LOS - isn't measured by short shuttle or 3 cone tests in my opinion.
The point is I've read some folks say Lemieux "is really quick off the ball" or "really fires out at the snap" and that ability stands out on his tape. Versus folks raising questions about his athleticism, which doesn't seem that relevant to guard play, once a certain minimum of dexterity is passed, to go along with technique and strength.
Ereck Flowers, who was a miserable failure at OT for the Giants, seems to have succeeded fairly well inside at guard for the Redskins, so...
RE: I'm not even down on the Lemieux pick or anything
It's just that you hear people pumping up draft picks every single year. Maybe Lemieux WILL become the second coming of Rich Seubert, but until he takes the field it's just a bunch of hot air, even coming from someone with O'Hara's background.
I know that taking a gigantic dinosaur shit on everything is kind of your thing, and I agree that these players get pumped up too much - but in this case, if you listen to what he said, its not far-fetched. He just said his toughness and savvy reminds him of Rich Seubert. He didn't say he'd become the next Seubert.
Yup.
Cristobal has ties to JJ from the past (at Bama, I think) but there's even a deeper, older connection between Cristobal and the Giants.
The Giants drafted OG Luis Cristobal (Sr), Mario's brother, in 1991 in the 10th round to play OG.
Does that mean anything? Well at the very least I suggest we're not gonna find any attitude or work ethic issues with Lemieux, and whatever he's got the Giants will get 100% effort from the kid.
If he even comes close to duplicating Rich Seubert's body of work with the Giants that'll be great for a 5th rounder.
It's interesting O'Hara didn't mention Diehl as a comp. I'm guessing SOH doesn't see the footwork by Lemieux to have the incredible versatility Diehl exhibited as a Giant. Lemieux's prolly strictly an interior OL.
p.s.--"At one point everyone was excited about Ereck Flowers"--Amani Toomer.
Not really interesting. Lemieux never played center before and hadn't started doing so until after his season. He only started doing it to make himself more valuable to NFL teams increasing the chance he sticks in the NFL as well as potentially increasing where he got drafted.
I had the same kind of thought when they drafted Lemioux hoping that we had another Seubert. I don’t know if he’s the center of the future but I think we have a starter here somewhere.
I'm with Eric, I really hope we drafted three starting OL's for 2021. My hope is Peart and Lemiuex get some starts and playing time this year if warranted so they get the taste of what the NFL is like FULL SPEED and prepare for 2021 when we make our run.
LOL.
my thoughts exactly
Totally. I hope he succeeds. But this shit is so meaningless. Every year it’s like deja vu all over again. Who remembers where they were when Lomas brown said dayne moved like sanders?
But Garrett OL scheme may be relevant in this assessment, so we'll wait and see.
But Garrett OL scheme may be relevant in this assessment, so we'll wait and see.
CHP, I've come to the point where if I read some scout (or analyst, pundit, or former GM) says that a guy's three cone and short shuttle indicate he might not be quick enough to be an OC, I come away thinking "that guy probably hasn't seen enough tape of xxx prospect to have a truly informed opinion."
I mean yeah, playing center well requires some quickness but that type of quickness - one or two steps firing off the LOS - isn't measured by short shuttle or 3 cone tests in my opinion.
The point is I've read some folks say Lemieux "is really quick off the ball" or "really fires out at the snap" and that ability stands out on his tape. Versus folks raising questions about his athleticism, which doesn't seem that relevant to guard play, once a certain minimum of dexterity is passed, to go along with technique and strength.
Ereck Flowers, who was a miserable failure at OT for the Giants, seems to have succeeded fairly well inside at guard for the Redskins, so...
I know that taking a gigantic dinosaur shit on everything is kind of your thing, and I agree that these players get pumped up too much - but in this case, if you listen to what he said, its not far-fetched. He just said his toughness and savvy reminds him of Rich Seubert. He didn't say he'd become the next Seubert.