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“Whoo, that’s a great question,” Tiki Barber, Manning’s former Giants teammate told me on today’s episode of the Scoop B Radio Podcast. “He is a Hall of Famer. No doubt about it. The question about First Ballot is timing because, think about the peers that he’s going in around and I think he maybe has an advantage because he’s not going to align with his brother Peyton, who retired a couple years before. He’s not going to align with Drew Brees who is still playing or Tom Brady. And so, he might get fortunate because he is a Hall of Famer and coming into a class that doesn’t have a quarterback waiting, you know what I mean? Like, he doesn’t have a guy that is a guaranteed Hall of Famer waiting.” Barber also dissects the issue of whether or not Manning is better than Tom Brady. “And it’s interesting because this conversation comes up all the time,” he tells Scoop B Radio. “Is Tom Brady better than Eli? Yeah, you could say Tom Brady is better than Eli, but Eli beat him twice in the Super Bowls…Is Eli better than his brother? It’s debatable. They both had the same numbers of success; the Super Bowls, but Peyton Manning was this iconic player. And so when you start comparing Eli through his peers – the Peytons, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady, you can probably put them all above Eli. But when it comes to the Hall of Fame, it’s all about timing and the narrative around your timing. You know, Eli might just be a First Ballot Hall of Famer because he hits the finalists list at the right time.” |
Eli indirectly settled that question himself. He said that he once talked about the 2011 NFC Championship game (Giants vs 49ers) with Peyton. Peyton showed him several touchdowns that he missed that would've caused the Giants to blow the 49ers out. Eli said that he never even saw those openings and that Peyton saw the game differently from everyone else
Me too
Eli is most likely a HoF, but it isn’t really a discussion about whether he is better than Peyton or Brady.
Eli is most likely a HoF, but it isn’t really a discussion about whether he is better than Peyton or Brady.
Yeah, when I read the Brady/Peyton part, I had the exact same thoughts. Even at his best, very few, discussed whether or not he was better. At his best, I opined that Eli was as clutch, if not more so, than his contemporaries, but that’s different than comparing overall bodies of work, imv
What's really a fucking shame is that since Eli's 2nd Superbowl win... Rodgers, Brady, Brees... Dallas and Philly... have all had a bunch of Pro Bowl/All Pro OL while Eli has had pretty much the worst OL in all of football and that sucks so much for us Giants fans but more so I feel sorry for Eli. It was awful for him particularly the last 3 years. Even the 11-5 year it wasnt good for him/the offense or OL... I think he has 50/50 shot at being 1st ballot.
Greatest QB of all time, turned 3-13 teams into 13-3 teams.
Can't fault him for having go against an absolute buzzsaw in BB in the playoffs constantly.
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Peyton is NOT DEBATABLE
Greatest QB of all time, turned 3-13 teams into 13-3 teams.
Can't fault him for having go against an absolute buzzsaw in BB in the playoffs constantly.
This shouldn’t even need to be clarified or debated. If eli were to get in on the first ballot it’s no crime and I’d be thrilled but let’s be honest, Eli doesn’t need to be a first ballot HOFer and he probably shouldn’t be a first ballot HOFer.
Fans are going to get the vapors if Eli isn’t voted in right away but the first ballot should be reserved for the no brainer types. If the timing is right and Eli gets in early? Great. If not, everyone chill.
Tiki was inducted 2010
No there isn’t.
But that’s not really a knock. Each of those guys is on the top 10 list of QBs to ever play spanning every generation.
Separately though, Eli is a HOF QB. Both are true. First ballot means nothing, one day Eli’s bust will be in Canton.
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Greatest QB of all time, turned 3-13 teams into 13-3 teams.
Can't fault him for having go against an absolute buzzsaw in BB in the playoffs constantly.
Looked at Peyton's playoff record 14-13. His record versus New England was 3-2
Went one and done nine times(NYJ and SD twice each).
Lost three years in a row to the eventual champs and four times overall.
Went to four Super Bowls, went 2-2.
Others have had more playoff success but will still go down as top 5 QB all time.
He belongs in the Ring of Douchiness.
faggot asshole
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was about whether or not Eli was a FIRST BALLOT HOFer
This shouldn’t even need to be clarified or debated. If eli were to get in on the first ballot it’s no crime and I’d be thrilled but let’s be honest, Eli doesn’t need to be a first ballot HOFer and he probably shouldn’t be a first ballot HOFer.
Fans are going to get the vapors if Eli isn’t voted in right away but the first ballot should be reserved for the no brainer types. If the timing is right and Eli gets in early? Great. If not, everyone chill.
Part of it is the voting process for each sport. There rules about how many can be inducted, finalists, etc. How about whoever is retired and you feel is deserving of the HOF, you vote for them. Holding guys to first ballot, etc is how some guys struggle to get elected. So.e idiots determine first ballot is an honore and reserved for certain players. So, player X doesn't get elected. Then next year is a really strong class and only so many can be voted in. Each year on the ballot it becomes more difficult.
You seem nice.
Tiki belongs in the Hall of Douchiness.
I guess I understand when you bring TD into the conversation... but I always felt like he walked away from the HOF when he decided to retire early.
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Eli indirectly settled that question himself. He said that he once talked about the 2011 NFC Championship game (Giants vs 49ers) with Peyton. Peyton showed him several touchdowns that he missed that would've caused the Giants to blow the 49ers out. Eli said that he never even saw those openings and that Peyton saw the game differently from everyone else
Love to read that. Never heard it before. Have a link?
I have always been pro-Tiki but I am starting to realize he was a very talented a-hole. One more good total yards season would have made him a sure HOF. Two good seasons would have made him a first ballot candidate.
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Peyton is NOT DEBATABLE
Eli indirectly settled that question himself. He said that he once talked about the 2011 NFC Championship game (Giants vs 49ers) with Peyton. Peyton showed him several touchdowns that he missed that would've caused the Giants to blow the 49ers out. Eli said that he never even saw those openings and that Peyton saw the game differently from everyone else
Peyton's big ego -- nobody could light up that defense that year. He wouldn't have either had he been around.
All QBs have missed plays but several TDs?
LOL.
faggot asshole
That’s rich