Dan Orlovsky: Daniel Jones great accuracy vs man coverage

I have no clue what percentage of the time a defense plays man vs zone; however, accuracy of any kind is a great sign. I do recall reading Jones at times struggled to read certain zone coverages (forget terminology) but he wasn't that bad, IMHO, at it either.

I mean, if he is a top notch QB like I believe, we are on the right road in this rebuild. Accuracy is key, hitting the guy in stride where he can use his momentum and talent to break tackles and make plays is a trait few have.

He’s smart enough, dedicated enough, physical enough, to clean up the Fumbles, imo

the sun was in the eyes of the opponent so his throws don't count......

There is a lot to get excited about. He has all the tools to be be a winner.

but his tight window % of total attempts was highest in the league. Based on that and not throwing a ton of picks, it isn’t surprising that the numbers say he’s accurate (you can see it watching too).

Orlovsky is great. I don’t care for him on camera yet, he’s really loud and doesn’t have that nuance yet but he’s a great analyst.

In comment 14910449 Big Blue '56 said:

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He’s smart enough, dedicated enough, physical enough, to clean up the Fumbles, imo

After watching Jones play a full season I agree with the analyst/scout who said that Jones was a mix between Peyton and Eli but with mobility.

I really think that Jones is going to be the best QB in the division very soon.

but after the Tampa game he was quick to admit that he was wrong.

they should see more man coverage as defenses key on the run game.

Its refreshing. Im an Eli guy, but for or all of his superlatives putting the ball in tight windows and ball placement that maximized YAC werent really his strong suits.

In comment 14910479 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14910449 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: He’s smart enough, dedicated enough, physical enough, to clean up the Fumbles, imo After watching Jones play a full season I agree with the analyst/scout who said that Jones was a mix between Peyton and Eli but with mobility. I really think that Jones is going to be the best QB in the division very soon.

To me it all comes down to pocket awareness and how quickly he processes information. It’s what sets great apart from good and good apart from average or bad. If he cleans those things up, the fumbles will get cleaned up and he will far and away be the best qb in the division. That’s a big if.

In comment 14910496 j_rud said:

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Its refreshing. Im an Eli guy, but for or all of his superlatives putting the ball in tight windows and ball placement that maximized YAC werent really his strong suits.

That's where Jones thrives. He does an outstanding job leading the receivers to allow them to pick up big yardage after the catch. As you mentioned this was not Eli's strong suit.

By DJ if he plays this season. Lots of blocking with improved run game. Hopefully a non drafted receiver will develope. Somebody who can go get the ball.

pretty good on ESPN. I appreciate his thoughts.

under Jason Garrett ... Garrett turned Romo and Dax into stars.

We are going to come to realize, DG was just smarter than all the critics when it came to this pick.

Eventually took Shelton High, to the State Championship, after Dan left. He’s mentioned his football IQ, on many occasion.

In comment 14910497 lax counsel said:

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To me it all comes down to pocket awareness and how quickly he processes information. It’s what sets great apart from good and good apart from average or bad. If he cleans those things up, the fumbles will get cleaned up and he will far and away be the best qb in the division. That’s a big if.

Bingo. If he processes faster than the number of tight window throws he’ll have to make will go down - but the accuracy will still be there so more potential for YAC.

He really struggled against zone though. I’m hoping we see a big jump in his progression against zone coverage in year 2.

In order to have Pccket Awarness, One must have a Pocket First. Hopefully this year that may happen for Giant QBs.?

In comment 14910467 UConn4523 said:

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but his tight window % of total attempts was highest in the league. Based on that and not throwing a ton of picks, it isn’t surprising that the numbers say he’s accurate (you can see it watching too). Orlovsky is great. I don’t care for him on camera yet, he’s really loud and doesn’t have that nuance yet but he’s a great analyst.

This is important to note, and makes this even more incredible for Jones: the receivers for the Giants got probably the least separation of any group in the league. That Jones was that accurate with receivers that got such little separation speaks volumes IMO

In comment 14910631 JoeyBigBlue said:

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He really struggled against zone though. I’m hoping we see a big jump in his progression against zone coverage in year 2.

I am not a QB expert when it comes to field processing, but it would seem to me as a matter of logic two things 1) reading zone is much more difficult than man when you get to the NFL because of the changes and hybrids etc etc so it would be understandable if one were to be better at throwing into man defenses than zone at the beginning and2) if he can accurately throw into man he should be able to accurately throw into zone when he is better at processing it

In comment 14910497 lax counsel said:

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In comment 14910479 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 14910449 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: He’s smart enough, dedicated enough, physical enough, to clean up the Fumbles, imo After watching Jones play a full season I agree with the analyst/scout who said that Jones was a mix between Peyton and Eli but with mobility. I really think that Jones is going to be the best QB in the division very soon. To me it all comes down to pocket awareness and how quickly he processes information. It’s what sets great apart from good and good apart from average or bad. If he cleans those things up, the fumbles will get cleaned up and he will far and away be the best qb in the division. That’s a big if.

His pocket awareness is because he has that last minute big play mentality. You WANT that in a QB. He just needs to clean up where he holds the ball so it is not easily poked out, good coaching fixes that.

I lost all respect for Orlovsky when he said he'd take Darnold over any QB that's come into the NFL in the last 3 years including Lamar Jackson. He also said picking Darnold over Jones is an easy answer for him.
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In comment 14910828 Strahan91 said:

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I lost all respect for Orlovsky when he said he'd take Darnold over any QB that's come into the NFL in the last 3 years including Lamar Jackson. He also said picking Darnold over Jones is an easy answer for him. Link - ( New Window )

You lost respect for a guy because he has a different opinion than you do?

In comment 14910837 ron mexico said:

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In comment 14910828 Strahan91 said: Quote: I lost all respect for Orlovsky when he said he'd take Darnold over any QB that's come into the NFL in the last 3 years including Lamar Jackson. He also said picking Darnold over Jones is an easy answer for him. Link - ( New Window ) You lost respect for a guy because he has a different opinion than you do?

Yes. When that opinion is that he will take a guy who has done nothing in the NFL to date over the reigning MVP. Absolutely.

In comment 14910628 V.I.G. said:

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In comment 14910497 lax counsel said: Quote: To me it all comes down to pocket awareness and how quickly he processes information. It’s what sets great apart from good and good apart from average or bad. If he cleans those things up, the fumbles will get cleaned up and he will far and away be the best qb in the division. That’s a big if. Bingo. If he processes faster than the number of tight window throws he’ll have to make will go down - but the accuracy will still be there so more potential for YAC.

Also could use less of DJ8 passing it into a tight window between two defenders and butterfinger Engrams dropping the ball.

In comment 14910838 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 14910837 ron mexico said: Quote: In comment 14910828 Strahan91 said: Quote: I lost all respect for Orlovsky when he said he'd take Darnold over any QB that's come into the NFL in the last 3 years including Lamar Jackson. He also said picking Darnold over Jones is an easy answer for him. Link - ( New Window ) You lost respect for a guy because he has a different opinion than you do? Yes. When that opinion is that he will take a guy who has done nothing in the NFL to date over the reigning MVP. Absolutely.

I highly doubt he is alone in that opinion.
I bet half of this board would take Daniel Jones over Jackson. Do you have no respect for them either?

In comment 14910838 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 14910837 ron mexico said: Quote: In comment 14910828 Strahan91 said: Quote: I lost all respect for Orlovsky when he said he'd take Darnold over any QB that's come into the NFL in the last 3 years including Lamar Jackson. He also said picking Darnold over Jones is an easy answer for him. Link - ( New Window ) You lost respect for a guy because he has a different opinion than you do? Yes. When that opinion is that he will take a guy who has done nothing in the NFL to date over the reigning MVP. Absolutely.

Using that rationale, you'd never give credence to anyone who has been wrong. So basically everyone.

Orlovsky panned the Jones pick when it was made and then backtracked on that and even apologized for being wrong. That alone should give the guy some respect. Any talking head who admits their OPINION was off base is a rarity.

without knowing exactly what Orlovsky said I'm guessing he didn't think Jackson's running was sustainable (injuries) and that his woeful passing his rookie year was not likely to improve. He was 100% not the only person who thought that - many on this board did myself included.

And name the analyst that's 100% right who's opinion I should value more. Orlovsky admitting he was wrong is something not a lot of guys do either - do you not have respect for that too?

- This was two weeks ago, not before this past season
- yes I would lose respect for anyone on this board who would take Jones over Jackson and I love what we have in Jones
- His rationale had nothing to do with injuries. It wasn’t brought up. His rationale was about Jackson’s team having a top run game vs the Jets (of course, that doesn’t take into account Jackson’s impact on that run game since it was 31st in the league before Jackson)
- He might be “willing to change his mind” but only to a certain extent and I’m guessing it’s to cover his bases more than anything else. Note: he loved Darnold before he was drafted and thought he would be a superstar. Killed the Browns for not taking him. He’s still talking about him in the same way. Does that indicate a guy willing to change his mind with new evidence?

I also didn’t mention that he ranked the top 5 qbs he would pick today to start a team with from 2018-2020 drafts: 5) Jackson 4) Tua 3) Murray 2) Burrow 1) Darnold

We’ll likely see a lot more of this from Dan now that he’s with ESPN

In comment 14910906 Strahan91 said:

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- This was two weeks ago, not before this past season - yes I would lose respect for anyone on this board who would take Jones over Jackson and I love what we have in Jones - His rationale had nothing to do with injuries. It wasn’t brought up. His rationale was about Jackson’s team having a top run game vs the Jets (of course, that doesn’t take into account Jackson’s impact on that run game since it was 31st in the league before Jackson) - He might be “willing to change his mind” but only to a certain extent and I’m guessing it’s to cover his bases more than anything else. Note: he loved Darnold before he was drafted and thought he would be a superstar. Killed the Browns for not taking him. He’s still talking about him in the same way. Does that indicate a guy willing to change his mind with new evidence? I also didn’t mention that he ranked the top 5 qbs he would pick today to start a team with from 2018-2020 drafts: 5) Jackson 4) Tua 3) Murray 2) Burrow 1) Darnold We’ll likely see a lot more of this from Dan now that he’s with ESPN

FWIW, when Orlovsky was on ESPN recently where he ranked the 5 QBs he would draft over the last three drafts, he specifically and explicitly brought up injury risk. He expressed two concerns: one was the effect of his play style on the front office's roster flexibility, and the other was about injury risk due to cumulative hits.
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I just saw the rankings reported. What I listened to was a podcast he was on called MySportsUpdate

Arm strength and panicky and said as good as he is against man he was as bad against zone. He was not concerned about fumbles though.

Ultimately he does not think Jones will be great, maybe a guy you can win SBs with but needs pieces more than a great one would. That is unless he improves in the areas he sees as weakness.