Should Terrell Davis be in the HOF?

In comment 14910900 widmerseyebrow said:

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In comment 14910898 giants#1 said: Quote: And that was mostly by design to limit his carries, not because he couldn't pick up the tough yards (Dayne's pudgy ass stole a lot of them...). Man, was that so frustrating. I remember wanting the Giants to give up on the whole Thunder and Lightening thing and give it to Barber in short yardage. He was so much faster to the whole, more nifty. They tried so hard to make Dayne a power back because of his weight when that was never really his style.

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In comment 14910897 Greg from LI said:

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No way would he be considered on Marino's level, let alone better than Marino, without those two Super Bowls, and those games had much more to do with Terrell Davis and the OL than Elway.

Denver's made a habit of squeezing SBs out of aging greats!

In comment 14910883 Greg from LI said:

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Whatever you say. Yes, he had a fumbling problem. So did other great backs - Tony Dorsett fumbled 46 times in his first five seasons, for example.

Mediocre was maybe a bit strong. But it just wasn't very good. He was never close to one of the best RBs in the league during those years. He was probably a Top 10 RB in '02 despite his 9 fumbles, but that's probably the only year you could put him in the Top 10 pre-Coughlin.

Loved him during his last 3 years though.

In comment 14910917 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Mediocre was maybe a bit strong. But it just wasn't very good. He was never close to one of the best RBs in the league during those years. He was probably a Top 10 RB in '02 despite his 9 fumbles, but that's probably the only year you could put him in the Top 10 pre-Coughlin. Loved him during his last 3 years though.

4th in yards from scrimmage 2002. I think even if he peaked in 2006 another 2-3 years of declining but solid production gets him in.

a Hall of Famer too. When a player is the best or near the best at his position for several years and has record breaking seasons, they get in. Just because someone got injured or retired early doesn't mean they don't deserve it if they played at that level.

Was as good as Davis at their best, I am not going to get into the return game, which Tiki did well also.

Tiki

Year Total yards Ave TD's
2000 1,725 6.1 9
2001 1,442 6.1 4
2002 1,984 5.3 11
2003 1,677 4.8 3
2004 2,096 5.6 15
2005 2,390 5.8 11
2006 2,127 5.5 5

Davis

1995 1,484 5.2 8
1996 1,848 4.9 15
1997 2,037 5.0 15
1998 2,225 5.3 25

It's amazing what a non biased view of Tiki vs Davis gives you, use nothing but the facts and tell me again how Davis was better then Tiki Barber. Davis did not play in the Punt or Kickoff game. Here is some more little tidbits. Keep listening to ESPN and the NFL Network, they would tell you that Davis was far better, but injuries ruined a great career, Tiki when properly used by Fassel, because he had fumbling issues that Fassel did nothing to correct, but when Tiki had a good head coach, this was the player he could have been.

Year Punt Ave Yards TD's Kick Ave Yards TD's
1998 17.9 250
1999 11.5 506 1 22.2 266
2000 8.5 332 28.0 28
2001 8.9 338

What Tiki averaged per touch is 2000 and 2001, nd to add insult to injury he averaged 6.8 yards per touch in 1999 and 5.5 in 1998, it pretty safe to assume that Tiki suffered from a head coach misusing him and his inability to get the best out of the player. By the time Coughlin got here it was late, Tiki was already 29, he had the three great seasons under Coughlin at ages 29, 30, and 31, Tiki is the player that is by far the most under appreciated of all time on the Giants, and the fans are just as guilty as Tiki, unable to forgive a player who gave every ounce of effort and desire on the field, never crying or complaining but one fucking time, when he said things he should not have said to get into the media, since they always loved bashing Eli and any New York team. They would vote Rivers into the hall of Fame before Eli, Rivers who choked every time he had an opportunity with a great team, and he played on teams every bit as good as any Eli played on.

Was a little better then Tiki rushing, Tiki was far better in receiving and was a very good punt returner. Tiki should be in the Hall of Fame, but will not get a sniff when his own fanbase does not back him. Strahan was the cry baby and holdout, back stabbing Fassel when he left the team for week when his mother passed away, Tiki had to reel him in when his holdout would hurt the team. People forget how great he was, he is the greatest running back in Giants history, including Hall of Famer Frank Gifford. It is long past the time he should have been forgiven, and I am beginning to wonder what the true motivation is, because it certainly is no longer justice. Last time for me going here again, it goes nowhere, not here anyway, facts only seem to matter when convenient.

both had short, though comparable, "peaks". Davis was a better pure runner and a TD machine, Tiki was also great out of the backfield and a good PR.

Both are borderline HOF players due to their lack of longevity (peak-season wise) with TD just getting in and TB just missing (for now). But the thing that pushed TD in, is his playoff and most importantly SB performances. He blows Tiki out of the water in this regards. And it's kinda like the Eli HOF argument. If you could take away his post-season runs and SB MVPs, Eli likely misses the HOF but add those momentous runs in and he's a lock.

In comment 14910917 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Mediocre was maybe a bit strong. But it just wasn't very good. He was never close to one of the best RBs in the league during those years. He was probably a Top 10 RB in '02 despite his 9 fumbles, but that's probably the only year you could put him in the Top 10 pre-Coughlin. Loved him during his last 3 years though.

You're blaming him for the stupid decisions of the Giants to spend several years forcing the ball to Dayne despite it being obvious that Dayne stunk. He was top ten in YPC from 2000-06 with the exception of 2003, when the team quit on Fassel, the OL was in shambles, and Jesse Palmer started the last 3 games at QB. He still averaged 4.4 that season anyway.

He carried absolute trash to the Super Bowls in the 80s. He was better than marino in my eyes but that’s splitting hairs. Yes he was “helped” by Davis but that’s the first time in elway’s career anyone helped him. It was long overdue.

All the great QBs were helped. If they weren’t helped they weren’t looked at as great QBs when all was said and done. Brady wasn’t helped? The guy was a 6th round pick for a reason. It was drafted by any other team he’s lucky to even be a ten year starter. Instead he’s the goat. That’s just how shit works.

like he did in '05 & he's a HOFer.

In comment 14911297 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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like he did in '05 & he's a HOFer.

If Tiki had 2 more '06 seasons, he'd be regarded on Faulks level

Tiki in 05 was every bit as good as Faulk was in his prime.

Also, it's tough to compare TIki to Davis without specifying which version of Tiki we are talking about. Until Coughlin was hired, Tiki was very much an (admittedly awesome) scat back. Shit changed in 04, and definitely in 05 and 06.

Tiki in 05 was INCREDIBLE. People have a tendency to forget that bc they took the reductive and stupid route of getting pissed bc he was "mean to Eli" in 07 (when he was just speaking his honest opinion - an opinion which jived with like 60% of this board at the time)

Late stage Tiki was incredible. He was as good as Faulk, all things considered (like his awesome blocking, which was the block that allowed Eli to win his first game against DAL in 04 on a last second play)

In comment 14910796 santacruzom said:

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In comment 14910686 Tuckrule said: Quote: Tiki barber being in the hall of fame. He had a run similar to TD. He put together some amazing seasons in a row. He was a top 3 back for many years. Always amazed that nobody talks about tiki and the hall I think a guy like Ricky Watters deserves to be in the Hall before Tiki does, and you don't see anyone arguing for Watters to be inducted.

Bro, ricky waters? This might be the first time I've ever disagreed with you since reading your posts for years lol.

Ricky Watters was never as elite as Tiki was. Tiki's best season(s) are among the top 10 seasons by any RB, ever.

In comment 14911044 PaulN said:

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Was a little better then Tiki rushing, Tiki was far better in receiving and was a very good punt returner. Tiki should be in the Hall of Fame, but will not get a sniff when his own fanbase does not back him. Strahan was the cry baby and holdout, back stabbing Fassel when he left the team for week when his mother passed away, Tiki had to reel him in when his holdout would hurt the team. People forget how great he was, he is the greatest running back in Giants history, including Hall of Famer Frank Gifford. It is long past the time he should have been forgiven, and I am beginning to wonder what the true motivation is, because it certainly is no longer justice. Last time for me going here again, it goes nowhere, not here anyway, facts only seem to matter when convenient.

I love this post, 100% agree. Funny how one season totally changed the narratives in tiki and strahan

After reading the rest of your posts, they are ALL spot on. PREACH!

He bashed Eli after retiring, his TC criticism, & his personal life.

I'm not his biggest fan at all. But he was a helluva RB. No one can dispute that.

In comment 14911303 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 14910796 santacruzom said: Quote: In comment 14910686 Tuckrule said: Quote: Tiki barber being in the hall of fame. He had a run similar to TD. He put together some amazing seasons in a row. He was a top 3 back for many years. Always amazed that nobody talks about tiki and the hall I think a guy like Ricky Watters deserves to be in the Hall before Tiki does, and you don't see anyone arguing for Watters to be inducted. Bro, ricky waters? This might be the first time I've ever disagreed with you since reading your posts for years lol. Ricky Watters was never as elite as Tiki was. Tiki's best season(s) are among the top 10 seasons by any RB, ever.

I think you'd be surprised if you look up Ricky Watters' career. He's behind Tiki in total yardage but way ahead in touchdowns, and scored 3 of them in a Super Bowl.

Does not belong in HOF.
Although it may not be how long you played, it’s playing at a higher level over an extended period of time. Jerome Brown, never made it however was dominant, at a harder position, albeit a career cut short.And, what of Mark Bavaro, best two way TE, I ever saw.
TD, is not a HOF’er, IMO.
Unfortunately, there has to be some sort of temporal requirement, before there isn’t enough space to House some of the Bronze. HOF, not unlike it’s Rock and Roll counterpart is a joke. “Chubby Checker,” continues to be shunned, despite selling more singles then anyone. “Yes,” & “Rush,
“ having not been first time inductees, is tantamount to Harry Carson, having to wait, despite having numbers nearly equivalent to Singletaty.
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