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Never too early to talk about the 2021 NFL Draft

JFIB : 5/26/2020 8:00 am
In this article by 27-7 Sports they project the NY Giants to have the number 1 pick in the 2021 Draft. For simplicity's sake to ignore any trade possibilities but if it did work out that we wind up with the number 1 pick, what would you expect the FO to do? Keep it and take the guy the article suggests or keep it and take someone else? If you think as I do that they would likely trade out of the number one spot, what would they get for it and how do you think they might utilize the bounty. Football talk is fun!
The first pick?? - ( New Window )
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/26/2020 8:07 am : link
27-7 Sports may be trying to out-dumb 34-7 Sports.
And..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/26/2020 8:08 am : link
24-7 Sports. And 25-7 Sports. And 36-7 Sports....
Is the 15th pick the brother....  
No Where Man : 5/26/2020 8:19 am : link
of the former Giant?
Trevor Lawerence. Hold him for ransom.  
90.Cal : 5/26/2020 8:20 am : link
Or the Oregon OT, Sewell. He and Andrew Thomas would make the best OT duo in the NFL. Then again I dont really know much about next years crop of pass rushers...

If we go WR next year I hope we target Rondale Moore. He can replace Tate in 2021. Absolute playmaker.
Joel Ryan establishing his credentials  
Diver_Down : 5/26/2020 8:24 am : link
by joining the 24-7 sports team and posting that as his first article.

Just to address the hypothetical of picking #1, there would be a reason why. Unless DJ is quarantined for the entire season, it is likely that he captained the team to lead their losing ways just like he captained the ship that set a franchise record 8 game losing streak this past season. If we are picking #1, you don't overthink it. You take Trevor. A better overall prospect with 2 more years of cost-controlled salary.
RE: Trevor Lawerence. Hold him for ransom.  
Big Rick in FL : 5/26/2020 8:25 am : link
In comment 14910730 90.Cal said:
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Or the Oregon OT, Sewell. He and Andrew Thomas would make the best OT duo in the NFL. Then again I dont really know much about next years crop of pass rushers...

If we go WR next year I hope we target Rondale Moore. He can replace Tate in 2021. Absolute playmaker.


Gregory Rousseau ER from Miami. Had 19.5 TFL and 15.5 sacks as a RS Freshman.
It's pretty obvious...  
moze1021 : 5/26/2020 8:28 am : link
If an NFL season happens, and Daniel Jones actually plays 14-16 games, and the Giants end up with the #1 pick...

Then, putting it politely, there is no reason to believe he is the answer.

You take Trevor Lawrence or whatever QB is the consensus #1 at that time.

Speculating on unfounded  
section125 : 5/26/2020 8:32 am : link
speculation....
Really?  
Gruber : 5/26/2020 8:33 am : link
Seriously, how do they figure we will have the #1 pick in 2021?
If that really is the case, then even they should also be able to figure that Daniel Jones is not the answer and you take Trevor Lawrence without even thinking twice about it.
I guess it would also mean that Gettleman would no longer be with the Giants once the season has finished.
nothing to see here!  
Victor in CT : 5/26/2020 8:37 am : link
Please disburse!!
RE: Really?  
LBH15 : 5/26/2020 8:39 am : link
In comment 14910741 Gruber said:
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Seriously, how do they figure we will have the #1 pick in 2021?


I think its connected to previous year's won-loss record.
RE: It's pretty obvious...  
giants#1 : 5/26/2020 8:40 am : link
In comment 14910738 moze1021 said:
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If an NFL season happens, and Daniel Jones actually plays 14-16 games, and the Giants end up with the #1 pick...

Then, putting it politely, there is no reason to believe he is the answer.

You take Trevor Lawrence or whatever QB is the consensus #1 at that time.


This. If we end up with the #1 pick, then Jones either had a major injury or was ridiculously bad. In either event, you take Trevor Lawrence no questions asked.
RE: RE: Really?  
Diver_Down : 5/26/2020 8:45 am : link
In comment 14910745 LBH15 said:
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In comment 14910741 Gruber said:


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Seriously, how do they figure we will have the #1 pick in 2021?




I think its connected to previous year's won-loss record.


It is based on betting lines from back in April.
RE: It's pretty obvious...  
KDavies : 5/26/2020 8:58 am : link
In comment 14910738 moze1021 said:
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If an NFL season happens, and Daniel Jones actually plays 14-16 games, and the Giants end up with the #1 pick...

Then, putting it politely, there is no reason to believe he is the answer.

You take Trevor Lawrence or whatever QB is the consensus #1 at that time.


Agreed you 100% go Lawrence. I don't see a scenario where the Giants have the #1 overall pick and Jones plays, and plays quite well. Either he is injured, or doesn't play well.

In the unlikely scenario that Jones plays great and the Giants have the #1 overall pick, you trade down. Pick up Sewell/Rousseau and get extra picks. Should get a ton for Lawrence. But that would mean the defense/special teams was just dreadfully bad.
Before this draft I was saying Sewell next year.  
The_Boss : 5/26/2020 9:00 am : link
But if we are somehow picking #1, which I don’t see, you would have to assume Jones was either injured for all or most of 2020 or he played like horseshit. Even if he was healthy and just mediocre, are we going to pass on a generational type at QB? Take Lawrence there and take what you can get in moving DJ, even if it’s a 3rd or 4th.

That being said, I think we will be picking top 5-10 again and therefore the guys I have my eyes on are Ja’Maar Chase and Gregory Rousseau, likely the best players at WR and Edge. Both could use talent upgrades.
RE: Before this draft I was saying Sewell next year.  
The_Boss : 5/26/2020 9:03 am : link
In comment 14910760 The_Boss said:
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But if we are somehow picking #1, which I don’t see, you would have to assume Jones was either injured for all or most of 2020 or he played like horseshit. Even if he was healthy and just mediocre, are we going to pass on a generational type at QB? Take Lawrence there and take what you can get in moving DJ, even if it’s a 3rd or 4th.

That being said, I think we will be picking top 5-10 again and therefore the guys I have my eyes on are Ja’Maar Chase and Gregory Rousseau, likely the best players at WR and Edge. Both could use talent upgrades.


Both units (Edge and WR) with the NYG could use talent upgrades, that is.
RE: Really?  
Spider43 : 5/26/2020 9:32 am : link
In comment 14910741 Gruber said:
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Seriously, how do they figure we will have the #1 pick in 2021?
If that really is the case, then even they should also be able to figure that Daniel Jones is not the answer and you take Trevor Lawrence without even thinking twice about it.
I guess it would also mean that Gettleman would no longer be with the Giants once the season has finished.


Yup, the latter would absolutely be the silver lining.
What  
Giants : 5/26/2020 9:37 am : link
Kind of garbage are these people putting out during these times.
If the giants...  
lax counsel : 5/26/2020 10:16 am : link
Have the #1 pick, something went very wrong, as others have said either Jones was injured or was had a weak season. In either event the next GM (someone unlikely to have ties to the Giants) will be picking Lawrence.

Also, I do not like the article because the only way Lawrence is the not the number 1 pick is if he has some career altering injury. Whether it's the Giants or some other team, he will be the top pick.
If we end up with the #1 overall pick,  
Simms11 : 5/26/2020 10:57 am : link
DJ will either have been injured or a colossal failure!
If Lawrence is generational  
Payasdaddy : 5/26/2020 12:07 pm : link
You have to pick him and see what you get for DJ
Even if DJ turns into a top 10 qb, you can’t pass on someone who may be top 2-3 q2 for the next 15 yrs
If jones looks awesome, as in 32 td and 8 picks awesome, then pick up like 4 high draft picks and a top player for Lawrence and build a real SB contender around him and saquon
More likely contenders for #1  
Gruber : 5/26/2020 12:10 pm : link
Jacksonville Jaguars - no doubt they're in rebuild mode and want it.
Bengals - the reigning Draft champs and it wasn't because of their QB, but Sy thinks they're not half bad, so maybe they don't repeat.
Chargers - possible. Torch has passed from Phil Rivers, but not yet picked up.
Rams - by all accounts they've gone noticeably backwards and were quiet in free agency, but they don't have a first round pick in 2021, so it won't be them.
Detroit Lions - departed players don't give the impression all is well in Detroit.
Chicago Bears - it's not all down to Trubisky.
Redskins - you wouldn't think so with the addition of Chase Young to an already strong defense, but the reason behind their record last season was lack of offense.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - aw, come on! That would be funny!
Good draft for WRs and OTs  
jeff57 : 5/26/2020 12:22 pm : link
A look like this year’s.
Lets just say for the sake of argument  
JFIB : 5/26/2020 1:19 pm : link
That Jones finishes up with similar stats as 2019. Throws for over 4,000 yards, 30+ TD's with a mid to low completion percent in the 60's and couple fewer INT's and fumbles. A definite improvement but NOT a huge leap from year 1 to year 2.

Would you still want Lawrence with the number one pick or would you be just as tempted to trade some team for their first and second round pick, and their first and third in 2021, and their first and third in 2022? I would love the major haul and turn this team into a dynasty rather than a mediocre team with the best QB in the league.

What would it take trade wise for you to be willing to give up that number one and who would you look for with the bounty?
RE: Lets just say for the sake of argument  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/26/2020 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14910985 JFIB said:
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That Jones finishes up with similar stats as 2019. Throws for over 4,000 yards, 30+ TD's with a mid to low completion percent in the 60's and couple fewer INT's and fumbles. A definite improvement but NOT a huge leap from year 1 to year 2.

Would you still want Lawrence with the number one pick or would you be just as tempted to trade some team for their first and second round pick, and their first and third in 2021, and their first and third in 2022? I would love the major haul and turn this team into a dynasty rather than a mediocre team with the best QB in the league.

What would it take trade wise for you to be willing to give up that number one and who would you look for with the bounty?


That kind of performance isn't going to lead to a 1-2 win season unless everything else goes to shit. In that case, we likely have a new GM and possibly a new HC.
RE: Lets just say for the sake of argument  
LBH15 : 5/26/2020 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14910985 JFIB said:
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That Jones finishes up with similar stats as 2019. Throws for over 4,000 yards, 30+ TD's with a mid to low completion percent in the 60's and couple fewer INT's and fumbles. A definite improvement but NOT a huge leap from year 1 to year 2.

Would you still want Lawrence with the number one pick or would you be just as tempted to trade some team for their first and second round pick, and their first and third in 2021, and their first and third in 2022? I would love the major haul and turn this team into a dynasty rather than a mediocre team with the best QB in the league.

What would it take trade wise for you to be willing to give up that number one and who would you look for with the bounty?


The haul would depend on the drop from #1 spot, but I would probably keep DJ in place and go with the haul. Targeting anything and everything with the extra picks because clearly things aren't working out.
Here's a thougth, what if there is no NFL season, how do they do the  
Jack Stroud : 5/26/2020 1:55 pm : link
draft?
We'd have to have  
allstarjim : 5/26/2020 2:25 pm : link
Terrible, terrible luck with major injuries at multiple key spots like QB, RB, and probably some key guys on defense as well to get the 1st overall pick.

If that happens, I would take Lawrence, assuming he at least matches his performance from last year. I would be just fine to trade Daniel Jones. Remember in this scenario Jones would've lost significant parts of the season to injury, and it would be back to back seasons in which he missed games, so the narrative on him would be different than what it is today.

I would not trade Lawrence in that scenario, he'd be my guy. He's too special.

In a purely hypothetical scenario, if Jones had a very good statistical season and we still ended up with the 1st overall pick because of other reasons, I could theoretically trade Lawrence if the haul was significant, but I'd still lean towards keeping him. The Colts (correctly) traded Peyton Manning to make room for Andrew Luck. I believe Lawrence is a QB prospect at or near Luck's level, and you don't pass on that kind of talent. It would be like passing on Patrick Mahomes, not a good idea.
RE: We'd have to have  
lax counsel : 5/26/2020 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14911052 allstarjim said:
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Terrible, terrible luck with major injuries at multiple key spots like QB, RB, and probably some key guys on defense as well to get the 1st overall pick.

If that happens, I would take Lawrence, assuming he at least matches his performance from last year. I would be just fine to trade Daniel Jones. Remember in this scenario Jones would've lost significant parts of the season to injury, and it would be back to back seasons in which he missed games, so the narrative on him would be different than what it is today.

I would not trade Lawrence in that scenario, he'd be my guy. He's too special.

In a purely hypothetical scenario, if Jones had a very good statistical season and we still ended up with the 1st overall pick because of other reasons, I could theoretically trade Lawrence if the haul was significant, but I'd still lean towards keeping him. The Colts (correctly) traded Peyton Manning to make room for Andrew Luck. I believe Lawrence is a QB prospect at or near Luck's level, and you don't pass on that kind of talent. It would be like passing on Patrick Mahomes, not a good idea.


Agreed, you take Lawrence. But in reality a very good statistical season from Jones probably spells a lot lower pick than #1. You have to figure that the poster who mentioned the 4k plus yards lowish 60% over 30Tds and low turnovers would probably be somewhere in the 7-10 wins range depending on luck, etc. When you are mentioning those kinds of numbers you are talking about a top 10-12 qb in the league and duplicating some of Eli's best statistical years.
RE: Here's a thougth, what if there is no NFL season, how do they do the  
LBH15 : 5/26/2020 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14911027 Jack Stroud said:
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draft?


What if there is no college football season either?
RE: We'd have to have  
Diver_Down : 5/26/2020 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14911052 allstarjim said:
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Terrible, terrible luck with major injuries at multiple key spots like QB, RB, and probably some key guys on defense as well to get the 1st overall pick.

If that happens, I would take Lawrence, assuming he at least matches his performance from last year. I would be just fine to trade Daniel Jones. Remember in this scenario Jones would've lost significant parts of the season to injury, and it would be back to back seasons in which he missed games, so the narrative on him would be different than what it is today.

I would not trade Lawrence in that scenario, he'd be my guy. He's too special.

In a purely hypothetical scenario, if Jones had a very good statistical season and we still ended up with the 1st overall pick because of other reasons, I could theoretically trade Lawrence if the haul was significant, but I'd still lean towards keeping him. The Colts (correctly) traded Peyton Manning to make room for Andrew Luck. I believe Lawrence is a QB prospect at or near Luck's level, and you don't pass on that kind of talent. It would be like passing on Patrick Mahomes, not a good idea.


On top of what you said, there is the advantage of 2 more years of cost-controlled QB salary. Don't overthink it. Just take Trevor.

For the sake of hypothetical with the article's premise that we are #1 and Jax #2 and we must trade out, then Jax needs to send Josh Allen, #2 pick, and their 2021 #1 for starters. I would also push them to sign Yannick with a massive signing bonus that they have to eat when they include him in the proverbial haul.
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