NFT: NHL to make formal return to play announcemen today at 4:30

and Lightning the only teams who rejected the proposal.

But for the logistics, would it be neutral sites?

In comment 14910959 figgy2989 said:

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But for the logistics, would it be neutral sites?

Yes. I think they're looking at 4 sites for the teams to play all the games.

In comment 14910959 figgy2989 said:

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But for the logistics, would it be neutral sites?

Yep. Both two cities and four cities have been reported. Perhaps we find out today.

I'm of the opinion that this is a good plan when you factor in all the various circumstances at play. Obviously it's flawed, but any return-to-play plan was inevitably going to be flawed.

It won't be the same. At all. But it'll be something.

how many game series per each round? 7 games?

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how many game series per each round? 7 games?

the play-in round will be best of 5 (teams 24 - 17), then I think once they get it down to the traditional 16 team playoff they were hoping for best of 7 the rest of the way.

A lot of speculation, maybe today's pc clears up some of that.

I’m fired up regardless of format. And yes I’m no small way bc the Rangers get a shot

Happy at the thought of hockey coming back sooner rather than later. Assuming this can be done in a way that minimizes risk to players I am all for it.

But on the other hand, how much practice will these teams be able to get in before this tournament starts, and what will the level of play look like after such a long lay off and (i would assume) a brief practice time?

This feels more like an exhibition for fans than a resumption of the 2019-2020 season. It's almost feels like a season reset with only the worst teams in the league not participating.

Rangers win the Stanley Cup, Hurricanes lose in the first round, as do the Maple Leafs, and both teams move up in the lottery (Rangers get the lesser of the Hurricanes/Maple Leafs pick)

Jesus. Now we're moving.

Sports. Bring them back. Now. I don't care about formats and if the players have to play naked.

This is BORING. Sports. Bring them back. Now.

Today's the 20 year birthday for the Stevens hit on Eric Lindros lol what a night

is normally only 4 weeks or so, so I don't see that being something fans should be concerned with. I think teams will have 3 or 4 weeks to prepare (I assume, but we'll find out today). The league I think has allowed for expanded rosters to maybe help for those people who are still concerned.

Plus the layoff from March to June is less than that of many teams from April to August/September or the same with some from June to August/September.

The thing I'd be concerned with is symptoms and how players handle them. No hockey player is going to take themselves out of a playoff lineup in my opinion.

Not sure this could have gone better for them. Win/win situation, if this is true.

DO NOT think this is for fans. If you want to make a case it's for someone, it's for owners and players more than fans.

from what I read there will be no fans.

But if they don't play at all I think they'll lose something like $2B dollars this year and it will effect future salary caps, and the players will bear the brunt of the losses.

So, IOW they're playing for them selves IMO.

I thought the Rangers would need to add to this trade vs just Lias. We'll see if it happens.

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Forever Blueshirts @4EverBlueshirts · 2h Rumor: Rangers willing to part with high draft pick to move Andersson for Puljujarvi #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker

Just have the players play wearing those stupid masks then?

Or, are those smug penis-head physicians giving more contradictory explanations on what to do this week?

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Again, let me repeat myself, the format is just the first step. So many more hurdles to overcome, more negotiations needed between NHL/NHLPA over hub cities, testing, protocols... the format is just Step 1. No guarantee yet the 2019-20 season is completed despite best intentions

In comment 14911038 pjcas18 said:

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I thought the Rangers would need to add to this trade vs just Lias. We'll see if it happens. Quote: Forever Blueshirts @4EverBlueshirts · 2h Rumor: Rangers willing to part with high draft pick to move Andersson for Puljujarvi #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker

We have two 3rd rounders this year. I wonder if one would be enough. I don't think I would do Lias + a 1st even though we have 2 first rounders and NYR doesn't have a second round pick.

no it won't be the same and honestly they should call it something other than the stanley cup because it's obviously different, but that was an unavoidable reality. Covid Cup? Every player on the winning team gets to have the cup within 6 feet of them for 1 day.

Teams in playoff pushes don't call up college/Junior guys who just finished unless they fill a huge need (i.e. Charlie McAvoy) in the lineup. They are historically conservative and try not to mess with the lineup they've been using all season. With this time off you might see more young guys playing significant minutes - will be fun to watch.

The winner is going to have to win at least 4 playoff series. The majority of the regular season was played, so any team that had any chance to play for the cup has been invited to play. By the time we get to the last 8 teams, everyone will have had 6 weeks of camp and games to get up to speed.

Neutral empty sites are going to be weird, and we'll all look back at this being a wacky year, but it's still not going to be easy to win a cup and the cup winner will have brought a pretty cool experience to their fans in this tough time.

because ill take any sports we can get right now. BUT, im guessing teams in the "playoffs" will have to go through an accelerated training camp to get back into game shape? If the play in round is a best of 5, and a team gets swept in 3, it seems like alot of work for these guys just to play 3 games and go back into the offseason.

That being said, I really like the format from a viewer/fan standpoint

Sign Sorokin in time for the tourney?

In comment 14911043 Giants in 07 said:

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In comment 14911038 pjcas18 said: Quote: I thought the Rangers would need to add to this trade vs just Lias. We'll see if it happens. Quote: Forever Blueshirts @4EverBlueshirts · 2h Rumor: Rangers willing to part with high draft pick to move Andersson for Puljujarvi #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker We have two 3rd rounders this year. I wonder if one would be enough. I don't think I would do Lias + a 1st even though we have 2 first rounders and NYR doesn't have a second round pick.

No way im giving up a 1st + Lias for just Puljujarvi

Lias and a late 1st for Puljujarvi and a 2nd.

I posted a chart a while ago about draft picks and success odds.

not enough difference between pick 29 and pick 45 for me to miss out on a player I like.

I do think both players have NHL futures, but Puljujarvi has one thing you can't teach. Size.

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I'd consider a lesser two pick package though. We do have two 3rds this year. I'd lead with offering a 3rd both this year and next. The furthest I'd go is a 2020 3rd(preferably the second one) and a 2021 2nd.

If not move on to other priorities for now.

we have a .002 of 1% infection rate in state

..just practicing and waiting for the other teams?

Not sure why they didn't just re-do a 10 game reg season schedule with the just the 24 teams, then start the playoffs as usual......16 teams.

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I wouldn't but the Rangers seem to like him. Also, I wonder if they want a young Fin to help make Kakko more comfortable. I never like these "player needs a babysitter" scenarios, but I can only imagine what it's like for a 19 year old in a foreign country and not many people speak your language.

I think the Rangers are maybe second guessing their approach with young players maybe after both Andersson and Kravtsov had rough starts in the US.

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..just practicing and waiting for the other teams? Not sure why they didn't just re-do a 10 game reg season schedule with the just the 24 teams, then start the playoffs as usual......16 teams.

no, I think they have a round robin like tournament that I believe impacts their seeding. I'm looking forward to hearing about how.

because it makes less money / ratings than a play-in format. Also wonder if there are more health risks when teams play a more diversified schedule of opponents. Agree it would have been more fair though.

I get Carolina nixing this because with 20 teams theyd have received a bye.... why was Tampa against it?

Would have though Pittsburgh and Edmonton as 5 seeds would have pushed for the 20 teams as so many of us have... i guess being good league citizens

Chytil's done fine, though.

I just question the idea of trading Andersson right now. His trade value couldn't possibly be lower. Why not hang on to him and at least hope he rebuilds some value?

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because it makes less money / ratings than a play-in format. Also wonder if there are more health risks when teams play a more diversified schedule of opponents. Agree it would have been more fair though. I get Carolina nixing this because with 20 teams theyd have received a bye.... why was Tampa against it? Would have though Pittsburgh and Edmonton as 5 seeds would have pushed for the 20 teams as so many of us have... i guess being good league citizens

From the Lightning player rep, Alex Killorn:

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...“They didn’t feel it was fair that certain teams that probably wouldn’t have made the playoffs would have a chance to make the playoffs in a best-of-five series,” said Killorn, the team’s player rep. “My team also felt it was unfair that the teams with a bye would not be as well prepared for a playoff series as the teams that had already basically played a playoff series to get into the playoffs.”... ...“The only problem I have with that format is that the top teams that have a bye,” he said. “I don’t know how competitive the games will be going forward where the teams at the bottom will be playing playoff games right away and [would be] potentially more prepared for the real playoffs.”

In comment 14911122 Greg from LI said:

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Chytil's done fine, though. I just question the idea of trading Andersson right now. His trade value couldn't possibly be lower. Why not hang on to him and at least hope he rebuilds some value?

Only reason I can think of is because they started his ELC in year 1, this year is year 2, so after next season he becomes an RFA.

Possible his value won't get higher than his draft pedigree (#7 overall?)

My bathroom is more aesthetically pleasing than the room he's doing this from.

The shortened season denied those teams in the race their chance to make a run down the stretch. Having the 5 game play in is probably the fairest decision they could have arrived at although a limited round robin applied to the regular season point totals could have accomplished the same thing.

To me either would be fairer than the 20 team proposal.

because then you'd have spent 2 ones on Lias - a high one to get him and a low one to get rid of him - and you'd be giving them way too much reward for failing on Puljujarvi. Make it a 3rd.

one for each conference. no cities named at this time. 10 or so cities being considered.

formal training camp to open no earlier than 1st half of July.

Individual and optional workouts now.

No dates for games, but they expect the season to go into early fall.

vs seeding still TBD.

The first and second round length (5 or 7 games) still TBD.

Conference championship and SCF will be 7 games.

traditional Playoff rules subsequently. Second 'round' also to be five game series. Makes sense they have to manage the calendar.

Frankly I'm fine with all these decisions so far. The initial play in is really a regular season substitute so having the 5 minute OT and shootout works and is fair.

get healthy with the pause.

Including maybe biggest impact is Jake Guentzel I think playoffs were a long shot for him initially, but now it's likely.

sounds like a clusterf*ck.

Not sure why they just don't wait until after the qualifying round for the lottery.

Currently the lottery is planned for 6/26 with placeholders for the 8 teams knocked out in the qualifying round.

Seems like they made it more complex than necessary.

should be back, too.

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should be back, too.

And obviously Igor.

Cup contender before this nonsense went down.

Too bad they got a bad break. Too bad.

already!

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traditional Playoff rules subsequently. Second 'round' also to be five game series.

I think you misheard. Regular season OT is for the round-robin games for the top 4. The play-in and subsequent games are all playoff OT. And no round other than the play-in has been set at 5 games yet, it's TBD.

Eliteprospects
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The NHL Draft Lottery will occur on Friday, June 26th. Teams will be included in a lottery draw for the No. 1, 2, and 3 selections.

This is Phase 1 of the NHL Draft Lottery. Potential exists for a Phase 2 NHL Draft Lottery depending on results of play-in draft and Phase 1.

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already!

You made a salient statement.

For once.

Chicago?

And other than shoddy internet I have to say not a bad job from Bettman.

the way the draft will work is 15 teams are eligible for the top 3 picks.

On 6/26 they'll have the lottery.

And if all 3 top picks are from the 7 teams not in the play-in then it's only one phase.

if one of the teams from the play-in gets a top 3 pick they'll have a phase 2 to determine which team got the top 3 pick and where everyone else picks.

I don't understand how they figure it out if for example team 8 wins pick 1. Who is team 8? Because today it would be team 24, but what if CHI or MTL (whoever you have as team 24) wins their play-in series - then they count in the 16 playoff teams.

So, that's why phase 2 will be after the play-in round.

Flyers won 9 of 10 to jump the Penguins by 2 points, who now have to play a qualifying round vs Montreal. Pittsburgh lost 8 of their last 11. That's pretty rough.

The draft is going to be a mess.

the 8 play-in team losers and their draft spot:

I still think they'd be better served just waiting until after the play-in round and have one phase with 15 lottery team, but....

Bob McKenzie
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NHL Draft Lottery will be on Friday June 26. The Nos. 1, 2 and 3 picks will be up for grabs. Fifteen teams — the seven who are no longer playing plus 8 more currently identified as Teams A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H — will be in the lottery. Same lottery odds as prior years.


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Teams A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H will be the eight losing teams from the best-of-five play-in or qualifying round but assigning actual teams to the letters will come in a Phase 2 lottery, to be conducted after the qualifying round but before the playoffs.


Bob McKenzie
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If the winner of the No. 1 pick draw comes from the bottom 7 seven teams (DET, OTT, SJ (belongs to OTT), LA, ANA, NJ, BUF), that team is awarded No. 1. If the winner of the No. 1 pick draw comes from the other 8 teams, the No. 1 pick will be awarded in the Phase 2 lottery.
Bob McKenzie
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If the winner of the No. 2 pick draw comes from the bottom 7 seven teams (DET, OTT, SJ (belongs to OTT), LA, ANA, NJ, BUF), that team is awarded No. 2. If the winner of the No. 2 pick draw comes from the other 8 teams, the No. 2 pick will be awarded in the Phase 2 lottery.
Bob McKenzie
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If the winner of the No. 3 pick draw comes from the bottom 7 seven teams (DET, OTT, SJ (belongs to OTT), LA, ANA, NJ, BUF), that team is awarded No. 3. If the winner of the No. 3 pick draw comes from the other 8 teams, the No. 3 pick will be awarded in the Phase 2 lottery.
Bob McKenzie
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Once the top three picks have been awarded in Phase 1 or Phase 2, the remaining 12 spots will be assigned to the teams that didn’t win a draw and based on inverse order of their regular season points percentage at the time of the pause.
Bob McKenzie
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If all three of the top picks are awarded to the known bottom 7 teams, there is no need for a Phase 2 lottery. If any of the top three picks are won by an 8 to 15 alpha-designated team, the Phase 2 lottery is required.

but great job by Bettman and the NHL managing a very difficult situation thus far

lose the play-in round to MTL, and win the lottery and draft Lafreniere.

Lemieux to Crosby to Lafreniere

the Rangers will advance and not be in the lottery.

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lose the play-in round to MTL, and win the lottery and draft Lafreniere. Lemieux to Crosby to Lafreniere

Don't give Bettman any ideas

Will be like im back in the 90's at the coli.

would re-think selling at the deadline if they knew then what they know now. not huge game-breaking talent, but definitely depth (at least).

Kovalchuk
Scandella
Nate Thompson

the only other "seller" I think in the play-in would be the Wild and they traded Zucker to the Pens.

off the top of my head.

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but great job by Bettman and the NHL managing a very difficult situation thus far

I agree, even Bettman's press conference was well done (sans sketchy internet).

It sure seems like they are putting health first, want to make it fair when they return, and are trying to give the fans what they want.

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Will be like im back in the 90's at the coli.

Empty arenas in the playoffs? Isn't that concept very much alike with 2003 NJ Devil home games? Woooooooo

said they expect to play a full 2020-2021 season and can start as late as January.

As much as people are concerned with a rushed end to this season/playoffs, I think it's going to be bad for teams like BUF and DET (for example - really any of the 7 that don't qualify for the play-in) that will now possibly go from early March 2020 to January 2021 with no meaningful hockey.

Amanda Stein
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Bill Daly says the league is sensitive to the seven NHL teams who are not participating in the playoffs and the long lay-off they will have between seasons.

That's something the league will be looking at going forward and there might be different off-season rules as a result.

signed to ELC's during the pause will push to next year and cannot play in this year's resumed playoffs. This includes Alexander Romanov (MTL) and others.

Jared Book
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Bill Daly says that as of right now, the league's position is that no club is entitled to sign a current year contract, which would mean TBD contract start dates would have to be pushed to 2020-21.

However, the decision will have to be made with the NHLPA.

The Rangers are guaranteed a lottery pick?

In comment 14911263 Giants in 07 said:

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The Rangers are guaranteed a lottery pick?

Yes, but Leafs pick is top 10 protected in 2020, so unless it's 11 - 15 they wouldn't get it AFAIK and then it depends on CAR vs NYR result.

If CAR wins, then the Rangers get a lottery pick (their own) and CAR pick.

If NYR win then they get a lottery pick - the worse pick of CAR or TOR if I understand it right.

But I believe the ideal situation for the Rangers is:

Toronto loses to the Blue Jackets, Carolina loses to New York (on New York's way to the Stanley Cup), BOTH Carolina and Toronto win the lottery: We get Carolina's pick, no matter what it is (even first overall).

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But I believe the ideal situation for the Rangers is: Toronto loses to the Blue Jackets, Carolina loses to New York (on New York's way to the Stanley Cup), BOTH Carolina and Toronto win the lottery: We get Carolina's pick, no matter what it is (even first overall).

And wouldn't that suck for Carolina. They get ousted in the first round, win the lottery and the #1 overall pick by some miracle...but because Toronto won also and will be picking in the top-10, the Jerks will have to give that #1 overall pick to the team that ousted them in the playoffs.


Oh, and they would have Brady Skjei to show for it

Sorokin and Kaprizov will be in the KHL another year. I thought Kaprizov signed his ELC, but I guess due to circumstances around 2020-2021 season begin, it makes more sense for them to stay in Russia.

I hope Romanov isn't caught up in this too.

Jokke Nevalainen
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90/95% chance Sorokin and Kaprizov stay in the KHL for another season? That's not good.

In comment 14911689 pjcas18 said:

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Sorokin and Kaprizov will be in the KHL another year. I thought Kaprizov signed his ELC, but I guess due to circumstances around 2020-2021 season begin, it makes more sense for them to stay in Russia. I hope Romanov isn't caught up in this too. Jokke Nevalainen @JokkeNevalainen 90/95% chance Sorokin and Kaprizov stay in the KHL for another season? That's not good.

Of course. The isles are a joke. Still nobody wants to play here. Good thing varlarmov was brought in over lehner cause he was gonna help bring sorokin over

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CSKA president Igor Esmantovich commented on the information that goalkeeper Ilya Sorokin and striker Kirill Kaprizov will remain in the “army” club for next season. “I wonder at the insight of correspondents who write information that does not contain any solid things. Unfortunately, the time without hockey in Russia pushes many correspondents to some sensation. There is no sensation here. Sorokin and Kaprizov have ended their contracts with the club, and they are not negotiating with the club, ”Esmantovich said in an interview with Championship correspondent Pavel Panyshev.

I'm not linking to the .ru site.

Pelech cleared to practice

But my first impression is the Devils get the screw job here. BNot only do they miss out on the playoffs despite Mtl getting through with essentially the same record, but if Vancouver loses their play in round, NJ likely won't get that draft pick this year.

This plan had little effect on ottawa so I don't really care, but I think this format is ridiculous. Just looks like they bent over to ensure Chicago, NYR and Monteal get to play. Big markets, big fan base, etc. I get it, they need as much attention as they can get but it seems silly to me. Oh well, no point bitching about it, unless you are NJ.

In comment 14911710 Diversify yo bonds said:

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Quote: CSKA president Igor Esmantovich commented on the information that goalkeeper Ilya Sorokin and striker Kirill Kaprizov will remain in the “army” club for next season. “I wonder at the insight of correspondents who write information that does not contain any solid things. Unfortunately, the time without hockey in Russia pushes many correspondents to some sensation. There is no sensation here. Sorokin and Kaprizov have ended their contracts with the club, and they are not negotiating with the club, ”Esmantovich said in an interview with Championship correspondent Pavel Panyshev. I'm not linking to the .ru site.

Good, hope it's just for clicks. the guy I quoted was a Fin though, not a Russian, but I imagine he got it elsewhere (Russia)

and I thought the NYR would be a team no one wants to face but I would love to see the matchups they had that produced this. 840 cup wins for the Rangers in 10,000 simulations? Just a hair below the Bruins?

In any case will be fun to see TBL knocked out early again.

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SportsLine @SportsLine · 4m We simulated the #NHL playoffs 10,000 times and these teams won the Cup most often: TB 17.9% WAS 10.8% COL 10.4% BOS 9.8% NYR 8.4% STL 6.9% PHI 5.8% VGK 4.9% TOR 4.5% EDM 4.0% VAN 2.9% NAS 2.9% MIN 2.9% FLA 2.4% PIT 1.7% CAR 1.1% WIN 1.0% ARI, DAL, CAL, CHI, MON, NYI, CBJ < 1%

In comment 14911702 KDubbs said:

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In comment 14911689 pjcas18 said: Quote: Sorokin and Kaprizov will be in the KHL another year. I thought Kaprizov signed his ELC, but I guess due to circumstances around 2020-2021 season begin, it makes more sense for them to stay in Russia. I hope Romanov isn't caught up in this too. Jokke Nevalainen @JokkeNevalainen 90/95% chance Sorokin and Kaprizov stay in the KHL for another season? That's not good. Of course. The isles are a joke. Still nobody wants to play here. Good thing varlarmov was brought in over lehner cause he was gonna help bring sorokin over

How can you, with a straight face, blame the Isles for this?

tweet I shared sounds like it may not even be true.

a couple posts after my post, it was refuted.

In comment 14911785 JayBinQueens said:

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In comment 14911702 KDubbs said: Quote: In comment 14911689 pjcas18 said: Quote: Sorokin and Kaprizov will be in the KHL another year. I thought Kaprizov signed his ELC, but I guess due to circumstances around 2020-2021 season begin, it makes more sense for them to stay in Russia. I hope Romanov isn't caught up in this too. Jokke Nevalainen @JokkeNevalainen 90/95% chance Sorokin and Kaprizov stay in the KHL for another season? That's not good. Of course. The isles are a joke. Still nobody wants to play here. Good thing varlarmov was brought in over lehner cause he was gonna help bring sorokin over How can you, with a straight face, blame the Isles for this?

Well, why can the rangers get Igor over but the Isles cant get sorokin? Should've signed Lehner and been done with it. We wouldnt have to care about Sorokin. The tandem of Varlarmov and Greiss has been awful

Suck on that.

A rookie goalie carrying a team to a Cup, like Patrick Roy in 1986. Let it be so!

In comment 14911779 pjcas18 said:

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and I thought the NYR would be a team no one wants to face but I would love to see the matchups they had that produced this. 840 cup wins for the Rangers in 10,000 simulations? Just a hair below the Bruins?

It is just for fun. How in tarnation can one project a team's play now vs. its play in the two months prior to the shutdown? Algorithms, I tell you, algorithms. So, if you're a good stock trader, have at it and go to Vegas.

In comment 14911714 Andy in Halifax said:

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But my first impression is the Devils get the screw job here. BNot only do they miss out on the playoffs despite Mtl getting through with essentially the same record, but if Vancouver loses their play in round, NJ likely won't get that draft pick this year. This plan had little effect on ottawa so I don't really care, but I think this format is ridiculous. Just looks like they bent over to ensure Chicago, NYR and Monteal get to play. Big markets, big fan base, etc. I get it, they need as much attention as they can get but it seems silly to me. Oh well, no point bitching about it, unless you are NJ.

Let the hate flow... seriously though I see an issue with Chicago, Montreal and Arizona getting another shot... but NYR ... two points... back of Toronto and Columbus with 12 games left for all teams... one point ahead of Florida with one extra game played... and 1- and 2-points back, respectively, of NYI and Carolina while ceding two games. None of that is insurmountable.

NYR deserved their shot... maybe not in this best of 5 format with such as high a seed as Carolina, but one could have easily argued for a best of 3 or one game playoff with Florida... to then get into a 20 team tournament.

Considering MLB cant get its shit together on economics, football is at huge risk since they start in the Fall when that second spike probably does come to some degree, and basketball is looking at late July at best....

I'm not going to complain about this hockey plan at all.

MTL and CHI being included. I wouldn't have included them.

I probably would have just kept it at the 16 current playoff teams and said too bad if you were close, seasons end and the only gripe I think would be NYI because they had two games in hand on the 7th and 8th place teams and were only 1 pt behind them. Similar with MIN in the West.

I will gladly take the playoffs over a chance at the lottery every single time I have that choice.

But from what I read no team has worse odds at the SCF and hurt their lottery odds more than MTL.

Rangers! And let's hope Kaapo figured some things out during the break. He had 2 goals in the second to last game before the break - let's hope he has a fantastic Finnish.

and diabetes:

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Sean Shapiro @seanshapiro · 5h Max Domi is a diabetic, Canadiens have said he won’t play when season resumes if it’s not safe. twitter.com/magodin/status…

and then Sam Stern added this about Kakko:

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Sam Stern @SternScouting This is *exactly* what the Rangers need to do with Kakko. His legs were gassed all year and considering he’s a diabetic as well it seems like the safe move. Absolutely no need to risk injury or illness. Let him recover and come back strong next season.

I knew he had Celiac, but I didn't know he was diabetic

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I knew he had Celiac, but I didn't know he was diabetic

He has both.
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Rangers have always erred on the side of caution in my view

But "recover" from what exactly? Seems like a dramatic tweet. And we're going to be living with this thing for years if not longer... they'll have to make the same decision in the fall/winter, in fact next season is probably more dangerous than this summer.

are resilient at a much different level than grown men. I think Kakko will be physically fine - not sure what the other tweet was in reference to about recovering.

I just don't know if he or Domi are at greater risk of something COVID related due to their medical conditions.

like it was a lot of fun to make, I hope they get knocked out of the playoffs as soon as humanly possible.

Cirelli taking a job as a waiter was kind of funny.
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he has to 'recover' from? I don't know where he's living right now or what the lifestyles restrictions are but I bet if he has access to the ice he's skating daily. As far as diabetes these clowns have no idea if there is even any added 'risk'. So why are they pontificating about it? Did the teams Domi comment really need expanding on? Seems pretty self explanatory.

Chalk it up to another glacially slow corona day and nothing worthwhile to discuss.

as you would expect.

Larry Brooks
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On zoom conference call, John Davidson says that Rangers "will listen to science and the medical people" regarding playing status of Kaapo Kakko, who has type 1 diabetes.

Also,
Friedman has a brief blurb on Lias Andersson and the potential for him to play in today's return(?) of 31 thoughts. Doesn't sound like he knows anything more speculating based on the contract status.

A) Having 3 more regular season games and then a regular playoffs bracket off those "final standings", and

B) Making the Rangers win 4 of 5 to advance against them.

It's unknown whether they also proposed that Shesterkin would have to play without a stick, or Panarin and Zib would have to skate with their laces untied.


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So NHL training camps won't start before July 10, although that doesn't mean they will start on July 10 necessarily. Just that they won't open before July 10. Inch by inch, people, inch by inch...

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A) Having 3 more regular season games and then a regular playoffs bracket off those "final standings", and B) Making the Rangers win 4 of 5 to advance against them. It's unknown whether they also proposed that Shesterkin would have to play without a stick, or Panarin and Zib would have to skate with their laces untied. lonk - ( New Window )

I understand where the Hurricanes are coming from, they werent at risk of missing the postseason so this is added risk. I'm surprised the Penguins and the 5-6 seeds in the west didnt also fight this solution... especially as we are now seeing training camps wont start until mid July which is really disappointing and overly conservative in my view.

As I've said a few times, the Rangers did deserve a shot though - I would have had them play a one-game playoff with Florida given how tight they were in the standings (Rangers led by one point but played one more game, so its not reasonable to just award Florida on a fractions of point higher PPG). Then had 20 playoff teams total.

Regardless now that this is being pushed out so far i'm not sure we'll even see this get played out.

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A) Having 3 more regular season games and then a regular playoffs bracket off those "final standings", and B) Making the Rangers win 4 of 5 to advance against them. It's unknown whether they also proposed that Shesterkin would have to play without a stick, or Panarin and Zib would have to skate with their laces untied. lonk - ( New Window )

They nervous. They reeeeeeeeallly nervous. And we smell it.

how effective Dougie Hamilton will be.

Canes D should be good, I don't think they were counting on having Hamilton when they traded for Skjei and Vatanen (Hamilton is a RD and Skjei LD, but I'm still not sure they acquire Skjei if Hamilton was healthy). They're legit 8 D deep.

Biggest weakness IMO for CAR is in net. Mrazek has been good, but I've never been a fan of his.

that the Canes weren't at risk of missing the playoffs?

Because they definitely were if the season played out as normal

To you guys that play or have played hockey competitively, how do you see the level of play going in these playoffs? I feel like the most skilled players are going to take over more than usual. In normal years, a good team effort can neutralize star players, but who knows if teams/players will be comfortable after such a long pause

In comment 14913057 Giants in 07 said:

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that the Canes weren't at risk of missing the playoffs? Because they definitely were if the season played out as normal To you guys that play or have played hockey competitively, how do you see the level of play going in these playoffs? I feel like the most skilled players are going to take over more than usual. In normal years, a good team effort can neutralize star players, but who knows if teams/players will be comfortable after such a long pause

No idea what to expect. I have to think most players kept themselves in shape, if so, I think they'll have a 2-week camp, 2-week maybe some exhibitions and then jump in to games.

I think that's a typical training camp I believe.

The biggest question to me around quality of play will be more COVID related. What happens if Sidney Crosby or Geno fail a test. One thing I read said players exhibiting symptoms will need to self report. My sense is no hockey player will beg out of the playoffs, so they may hide the symptoms or I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Given his history with Quinn. I wonder if Chytil, DeAngelo and a first can get it done.

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Given his history with Quinn. I wonder if Chytil, DeAngelo and a first can get it done.

Everyone will, he's one of the few true #1C in the league.

I have to imagine he's getting pretty fed up with the level of play around him in Buffalo

In comment 14913119 Kyle in NY said:

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I have to imagine he's getting pretty fed up with the level of play around him in Buffalo

I think it's just that he publicly voiced his frustration with the losing.

at least that's all I've read

Think Anak's proposal is a bit light but a good starting point. Eichel's at $10m a season too, so some salary cap considerations. But he's worth it
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Yes please

a player like Eichel in a trade.

Boy, would they be set up.. Panarin, Mika, Eichel and the lot of youngsters. Talk about a perennial SCF contender.

gets underrated a little because McDavid is on another level and Buffalo has been brutal, but the 2015 draft 1st round may go down among the best in history.

And Eichel is a big reason. I don't think he'll ever be McDavid, but as #2 overall picks go, that's a pretty damn good consolation prize.

I would trade a lot to get him and be happy to do it.

would be harder than players and prospect if the Rangers try and acquire Eichel.

I also think any Eichel trade with the Rangers includes Kakko probably.

But I certainly would do it if that's what it took. Eichel's only a few years older and at best Kakko *might* be close to his level as a player.

In comment 14913176 Greg from LI said:

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But I certainly would do it if that's what it took. Eichel's only a few years older and at best Kakko *might* be close to his level as a player.

Agree. I was shocked this morning when I read Eichel is only 23

In comment 14913176 Greg from LI said:

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But I certainly would do it if that's what it took. Eichel's only a few years older and at best Kakko *might* be close to his level as a player.

I agree, at Eichel's age, skill level, and the fact he's locked up I'd trade Kakko for him.

Eichel did play a year of college though. Now it was a monster year and he won Hobey Baker, but consider Eichel's 18 year old season was in NCAA and Kakko's was in the NHL.

Big difference (just in terms of saying look how great Eichel is now and some of what I've read on here about how Kakko was not impressive).

Not at all. True top line centers are so rare, though. I'll trade a great wing for a great center every time.

In comment 14913201 Greg from LI said:

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Not at all. True top line centers are so rare, though. I'll trade a great wing for a great center every time.

Yeah, I would too. I think there's maybe 15 legitimate #1 C's in the whole league. Add in the age and contract status. I'd overpay. Only concern up in my mind would be the contract. On one hand I love he's locked up long term on the other hand with the pandemic I wouldn't be shocked (in fact I'd probably expect) the cap to be reduced for a year or two. If the cap is reduced it's a big number. The Rangers may need to offload cap to make it work.

In comment 14913057 Giants in 07 said:

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that the Canes weren't at risk of missing the playoffs? Because they definitely were if the season played out as normal

You're not factoring in the games in hand they have/had. They'd have made it barring a 2007 Mets collapse ending. But regardless, the play-ins probably wont start until mid-August at this point so whatever at this point

Just saying

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Just saying

meh... we're all putting way too much thought into this but i'm just procrastinating my workout and yard work i need to get to:

3 games with reeling Pitt
2 games with NJ
2 games with Buff
1 game with Ottawa and Columbus (decimated by injury at time)

...2 games with Boston, but both the last week of the season with Boston already wrapping up #1. Would have been a nice break

1 game w/ STL, TOR, NYI

Hardly murderers row. Plus they got Brady Skjei (/sarcasm)

at the time of the work stoppage, the Hurricanes had an 82% chance at the playoffs and the Rangers a 22% chance.

I'm not saying things could not have reversed if the season had played out, but odds are not in the favor of that happening.

It's hard to make up ground in 3 weeks with the point system even when it's two points.

Rangers had a better chance at knocking out CBJ than CAR because those two games in hand are huge.

had injuries to pretty much 2/3 of their top players

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and I thought the NYR would be a team no one wants to face but I would love to see the matchups they had that produced this. 840 cup wins for the Rangers in 10,000 simulations? Just a hair below the Bruins? In any case will be fun to see TBL knocked out early again. Quote: SportsLine @SportsLine · 4m We simulated the #NHL playoffs 10,000 times and these teams won the Cup most often: TB 17.9% WAS 10.8% COL 10.4% BOS 9.8% NYR 8.4% STL 6.9% PHI 5.8% VGK 4.9% TOR 4.5% EDM 4.0% VAN 2.9% NAS 2.9% MIN 2.9% FLA 2.4% PIT 1.7% CAR 1.1% WIN 1.0% ARI, DAL, CAL, CHI, MON, NYI, CBJ < 1%

Not only because I'm a fan, but I like the Rangers:

1. Good potential for hot goalie

2. Getting Kreider back

3. Rest for the youngest team in the league with lots of guys obvious candidates for 'hitting the wall' now having had some time to recoup fro a grind they had little or no experience with.

In comment 14913176 Greg from LI said:

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But I certainly would do it if that's what it took. Eichel's only a few years older and at best Kakko *might* be close to his level as a player.

Same. I would do Kakko, Trouba (for salary purposes), Andersson, and maybe even Chytil for Eichel and Mittelstadt.

proposal seemed lopsided to me before I saw you added Mittelstadt too.

A 21 year old center who put up .70 ppg in the AHL.

I admit predicting trades is something I'm not great at so nothing would surprise me, but that seems off.

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In comment 14911779 pjcas18 said: Quote: and I thought the NYR would be a team no one wants to face but I would love to see the matchups they had that produced this. 840 cup wins for the Rangers in 10,000 simulations? Just a hair below the Bruins? In any case will be fun to see TBL knocked out early again. Quote: SportsLine @SportsLine · 4m Not only because I'm a fan, but I like the Rangers: 1. Good potential for hot goalie 2. Getting Kreider back 3. Rest for the youngest team in the league with lots of guys obvious candidates for 'hitting the wall' now having had some time to recoup fro a grind they had little or no experience with.

I think what the NHL has going for them with this format is fans of (almost) all of the 24 teams can talk themselves into 'why not us.'

Should be a fun tournament, even if the winner gets an *

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In comment 14913176 Greg from LI said: Quote: But I certainly would do it if that's what it took. Eichel's only a few years older and at best Kakko *might* be close to his level as a player. Same. I would do Kakko, Trouba (for salary purposes), Andersson, and maybe even Chytil for Eichel and Mittelstadt.

Na buffalo would have to send a pick back too

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In comment 14913292 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14913176 Greg from LI said: Quote: But I certainly would do it if that's what it took. Eichel's only a few years older and at best Kakko *might* be close to his level as a player. Same. I would do Kakko, Trouba (for salary purposes), Andersson, and maybe even Chytil for Eichel and Mittelstadt. Na buffalo would have to send a pick back too

Yeah, I think it was heavy on the Rangers side, but BUF may also prefer a pick to Andersson.

So, again, not my forte but I think something like this:

NYR send:
Kakko
Trouba
2020 1st (maybe a 2021 contingent 1st /2nd depending on timing of the trade contingent on playoffs/results)

BUF send:
Eichel
maybe a pick back

I like Trouba but make no mistake he's included to make the salary work.

Re-seeding each round rather than a set bracket.

Only the play-in round will be best of 5, everything else will be best of 7.
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player had COVID, but has recovered, no idea why everyone is making such a big deal out of it.

anyway, some playoff odds from moneypuck. Golden Knights SC favorites. I think the Bruins should be but apparently these guys hate the West, Vegas has almost a 30% chance to make the WCF and they must think the East will be a dogfight...:

I meant to add NHL phase 2 reopening starts Monday when small groups of players are allowed to work out together I believe at team facilities.

I've been recording on NHLN. Watched game 5 of the 1984 finals tonight and, man, I had forgotten what an incredible skater Paul Coffey was.

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I've been recording on NHLN. Watched game 5 of the 1984 finals tonight and, man, I had forgotten what an incredible skater Paul Coffey was.

top 5 best defenseman IMO, worst case top 10. So many people discount Coffey as a by-product of Gretzky, but it's not even remotely true. Skating wise he was second only to Orr.

but odds are making them the East favorite now?

thats surprising... Carey Price i guess, but still

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but odds are making them the East favorite now?

I like the Flyers chances, but I think the Bruins are being severely underestimated especially in a re-seeding vs bracket.

I would love to see Habs vs B's if the Habs can beat the Pens (no clue why MTL would be favored over the Pens).

but that MTL series shouldnt be happening. They were up 15 points on them with two games in hand on top of it. Now they play a straight best of 5? And Montreal is actually favored? I know they're trying to max out TV revenue, but it doesnt sit right.

Similar Edmonton-Chicago

but... go Habs go regardless - fuck Pittsburgh and it would improve the NYR/CAR draft pick if they lose

shouldn't be in the playoffs, and I agree money is the reasons why they went to 24 to get MTL and CHI in even though I wouldn't have included either.

I just don't see how MTL is favored especially at a neutral site. Carey Price is not Carey Price of 2014. He can't win a series and the MTL D is pretty brutal and they don't have any stars up front. Against Crosby, Malkin, and Guentzel? Not to mention the Pens were buyers at the deadline.

no way I'd favor MTL in that series and I doubt they win it.

but I can't change it, so I will hope for the best.

Does anyone doubt Lafreniere will be a penguin should they get in the lottery?

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Does anyone doubt Lafreniere will be a penguin should they get in the lottery?

no doubt in my mind. We discussed that earlier. Lemieux to Crosby to Lafreniere.

They are asking for our 24 year old net minder not named Georgie.

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They are asking for our 24 year old net minder not named Georgie.

I would really think about this, but some of you guys would know better than I would when it comes to how our G prospects are doing.

We've lived through 10+ years of having one of the best goalies in the league and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.

I think I would do it, but it depends what other pieces BUF asked for.

the trend on goalies is they're being drafted much later (Shesterkin was a 4th round pick) and many are making it to the NHL later.

top line centers are going top 5 in the draft.

I don't think you necessarily need an elite goalie to win a cup, you need a hot goalie (sometimes it's the same sometimes not) but almost every cup winner has that elite 1C. Maybe it's Mika, he's certainly putting himself in that group with his play lately. The one-year jump from him has been remarkable. but you can never have enough C's.

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Skating wise he was second only to Orr.

I've always heard Orr's skating described as so smooth that he seemed to just glide over the ice as if he weren't skating hard at all but no one could catch him, just effortless (as compared to someone like Bure, who was blazing fast but was all churning arms and legs as he did it). To me that desribes Coffey to a T, too - he looked like he was just cruising along but he'd blow right by people as he did it.

It's hard to compare eras, but man was that brand of hockey entertaining. So much more movement and pace than we generally see today, which is itself more than we saw in the dead puck era.

Igor looks incredible already, and there have been plenty examples of very talented teams who never won because of mediocre goaltending ('90s Flyers being the most obvious). I wouldn't reject it out of hand, but I'd be loathe to part with him.

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They are asking for our 24 year old net minder not named Georgie.

I know its all rumor so probably not accurate, but who else are they asking for in the package?

And could we make that work salary cap wise?

trade.

on Monday.

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I think I would do it, but it depends what other pieces BUF asked for. the trend on goalies is they're being drafted much later (Shesterkin was a 4th round pick) and many are making it to the NHL later. top line centers are going top 5 in the draft. I don't think you necessarily need an elite goalie to win a cup, you need a hot goalie (sometimes it's the same sometimes not) but almost every cup winner has that elite 1C. Maybe it's Mika, he's certainly putting himself in that group with his play lately. The one-year jump from him has been remarkable. but you can never have enough C's.

Points per game Mika is 5th in the NHL and Panarin is 3rd.

Mika is a NO doubt 1C - perhaps top 5 in the NHL, he plays on the penalty kill also.

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In comment 14915773 pjcas18 said: Quote: I think I would do it, but it depends what other pieces BUF asked for. the trend on goalies is they're being drafted much later (Shesterkin was a 4th round pick) and many are making it to the NHL later. top line centers are going top 5 in the draft. I don't think you necessarily need an elite goalie to win a cup, you need a hot goalie (sometimes it's the same sometimes not) but almost every cup winner has that elite 1C. Maybe it's Mika, he's certainly putting himself in that group with his play lately. The one-year jump from him has been remarkable. but you can never have enough C's. Points per game Mika is 5th in the NHL and Panarin is 3rd. Mika is a NO doubt 1C - perhaps top 5 in the NHL, he plays on the penalty kill also.

Mika is good but top 5 is pushing it.
McKinnon
McDavid
Draisaitl
Stamkos
Pastrnak
Matthews

All easily ahead of him and I omitted a number of people because of age

isn't a center.

but whatever, rankings are opinions, so I don't get too hung up on my own or other people's.

Mika had a great year, and his improvement from last year to this one was enormous.

I don't think he's top 5 but yeah, he played like a legit 1C this year. I think he'd need to maintain this pace to show it's not an anomaly, but he's definitely on the right trajectory.

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isn't a center. but whatever, rankings are opinions, so I don't get too hung up on my own or other people's. Mika had a great year, and his improvement from last year to this one was enormous. I don't think he's top 5 but yeah, he played like a legit 1C this year. I think he'd need to maintain this pace to show it's not an anomaly, but he's definitely on the right trajectory.

ah prob just misread top 5 as top 5 in general. Still don't agree but everyone's entitled to their own opinion

Don't know if you saw this speculative article re Canadiens possibility


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Yeah, I've read it. Kotkaniemi and Domi plus a 1st is a no-brainer and I love KK and Domi, but man that 1C is elusive. I like Nick Suziki a lot too - he's a name to watch for non-Habs fans as a player who could emerge as a star. Such a smart player. Hate to say it, but he reminds me a little of Patrice Bergeron.

I read some people try and shoe horn a 2021 1st into that trade too, and I think that may be a little steep unless BUF sends Ristolainen back too.