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pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 12:43 pm
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Gary Bettman & #NHL to make a formal announcement on Return to Play for 2019-20 today at 3:30 CT on NBCSN and NHL Network[/quote]

I believe the 24-team "playoff/play-in" was approved. some details remained though, such as draft, seedings for the top 4 in each conference, logistics like location, testing/symptom handling, etc.

below is the proposed "playoff/play-in"



I believe this is what was approved.
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seedings  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 12:43 pm : link
Hurricanes  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 12:44 pm : link
and Lightning the only teams who rejected the proposal.
I haven't been following  
figgy2989 : 5/26/2020 12:53 pm : link
But for the logistics, would it be neutral sites?
RE: I haven't been following  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14910959 figgy2989 said:
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But for the logistics, would it be neutral sites?


Yes. I think they're looking at 4 sites for the teams to play all the games.
RE: I haven't been following  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/26/2020 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14910959 figgy2989 said:
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But for the logistics, would it be neutral sites?


Yep. Both two cities and four cities have been reported. Perhaps we find out today.

I'm of the opinion that this is a good plan when you factor in all the various circumstances at play. Obviously it's flawed, but any return-to-play plan was inevitably going to be flawed.

It won't be the same. At all. But it'll be something.
Havenโ€™t seen it yet  
mfsd : 5/26/2020 12:57 pm : link
how many game series per each round? 7 games?
RE: Havenโ€™t seen it yet  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14910965 mfsd said:
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how many game series per each round? 7 games?


the play-in round will be best of 5 (teams 24 - 17), then I think once they get it down to the traditional 16 team playoff they were hoping for best of 7 the rest of the way.

A lot of speculation, maybe today's pc clears up some of that.
Makes sense, thanks  
mfsd : 5/26/2020 1:04 pm : link
Iโ€™m fired up regardless of format. And yes Iโ€™m no small way bc the Rangers get a shot
I have mixed feelings about this  
Mike from Ohio : 5/26/2020 1:32 pm : link
Happy at the thought of hockey coming back sooner rather than later. Assuming this can be done in a way that minimizes risk to players I am all for it.

But on the other hand, how much practice will these teams be able to get in before this tournament starts, and what will the level of play look like after such a long lay off and (i would assume) a brief practice time?

This feels more like an exhibition for fans than a resumption of the 2019-2020 season. It's almost feels like a season reset with only the worst teams in the league not participating.
Ideally  
Anakim : 5/26/2020 1:35 pm : link
Rangers win the Stanley Cup, Hurricanes lose in the first round, as do the Maple Leafs, and both teams move up in the lottery (Rangers get the lesser of the Hurricanes/Maple Leafs pick)
......  
Route 9 : 5/26/2020 1:47 pm : link
Jesus. Now we're moving.

Sports. Bring them back. Now. I don't care about formats and if the players have to play naked.

This is BORING. Sports. Bring them back. Now.
Any Devil fans here? (All 2 or 3 of them)  
Route 9 : 5/26/2020 1:56 pm : link
Today's the 20 year birthday for the Stevens hit on Eric Lindros lol what a night
NHL training camp  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 1:58 pm : link
is normally only 4 weeks or so, so I don't see that being something fans should be concerned with. I think teams will have 3 or 4 weeks to prepare (I assume, but we'll find out today). The league I think has allowed for expanded rosters to maybe help for those people who are still concerned.

Plus the layoff from March to June is less than that of many teams from April to August/September or the same with some from June to August/September.

The thing I'd be concerned with is symptoms and how players handle them. No hockey player is going to take themselves out of a playoff lineup in my opinion.

Great news for the Rangers  
Giants in 07 : 5/26/2020 1:58 pm : link
Not sure this could have gone better for them. Win/win situation, if this is true.

And I definitely  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 2:00 pm : link
DO NOT think this is for fans. If you want to make a case it's for someone, it's for owners and players more than fans.

from what I read there will be no fans.

But if they don't play at all I think they'll lose something like $2B dollars this year and it will effect future salary caps, and the players will bear the brunt of the losses.

So, IOW they're playing for them selves IMO.
Also for NYR fans  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 2:03 pm : link
I thought the Rangers would need to add to this trade vs just Lias. We'll see if it happens.
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Forever Blueshirts
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Rumor: Rangers willing to part with high draft pick to move Andersson for Puljujarvi #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker
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Route 9 : 5/26/2020 2:07 pm : link
Just have the players play wearing those stupid masks then?

Or, are those smug penis-head physicians giving more contradictory explanations on what to do this week?
Pierre throwing some water on the fire  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 2:11 pm : link


Pierre LeBrun
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Again, let me repeat myself, the format is just the first step. So many more hurdles to overcome, more negotiations needed between NHL/NHLPA over hub cities, testing, protocols... the format is just Step 1. No guarantee yet the 2019-20 season is completed despite best intentions
RE: Also for NYR fans  
Giants in 07 : 5/26/2020 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14911038 pjcas18 said:
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I thought the Rangers would need to add to this trade vs just Lias. We'll see if it happens.


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Forever Blueshirts
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Rumor: Rangers willing to part with high draft pick to move Andersson for Puljujarvi #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker




We have two 3rd rounders this year. I wonder if one would be enough. I don't think I would do Lias + a 1st even though we have 2 first rounders and NYR doesn't have a second round pick.
I think this is pretty great.  
Eric on Li : 5/26/2020 3:00 pm : link
no it won't be the same and honestly they should call it something other than the stanley cup because it's obviously different, but that was an unavoidable reality. Covid Cup? Every player on the winning team gets to have the cup within 6 feet of them for 1 day.
What will be most interesting is how these lineups look vs. pre-COVID  
csb : 5/26/2020 3:12 pm : link
Teams in playoff pushes don't call up college/Junior guys who just finished unless they fill a huge need (i.e. Charlie McAvoy) in the lineup. They are historically conservative and try not to mess with the lineup they've been using all season. With this time off you might see more young guys playing significant minutes - will be fun to watch.
It's weird but it's still a legit cup IMO  
Metnut : 5/26/2020 3:14 pm : link
The winner is going to have to win at least 4 playoff series. The majority of the regular season was played, so any team that had any chance to play for the cup has been invited to play. By the time we get to the last 8 teams, everyone will have had 6 weeks of camp and games to get up to speed.

Neutral empty sites are going to be weird, and we'll all look back at this being a wacky year, but it's still not going to be easy to win a cup and the cup winner will have brought a pretty cool experience to their fans in this tough time.
not trying to be the pessimist  
Br00klyn : 5/26/2020 3:24 pm : link
because ill take any sports we can get right now. BUT, im guessing teams in the "playoffs" will have to go through an accelerated training camp to get back into game shape? If the play in round is a best of 5, and a team gets swept in 3, it seems like alot of work for these guys just to play 3 games and go back into the offseason.

That being said, I really like the format from a viewer/fan standpoint
Can lou  
KDubbs : 5/26/2020 3:35 pm : link
Sign Sorokin in time for the tourney?
RE: RE: Also for NYR fans  
Saquon'sQuadz : 5/26/2020 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14911043 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 14911038 pjcas18 said:


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I thought the Rangers would need to add to this trade vs just Lias. We'll see if it happens.


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Forever Blueshirts
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Rumor: Rangers willing to part with high draft pick to move Andersson for Puljujarvi #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker






We have two 3rd rounders this year. I wonder if one would be enough. I don't think I would do Lias + a 1st even though we have 2 first rounders and NYR doesn't have a second round pick.


No way im giving up a 1st + Lias for just Puljujarvi
If I were the NYR I would do something like  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:04 pm : link
Lias and a late 1st for Puljujarvi and a 2nd.

I posted a chart a while ago about draft picks and success odds.

not enough difference between pick 29 and pick 45 for me to miss out on a player I like.

I do think both players have NHL futures, but Puljujarvi has one thing you can't teach. Size.
no way in hell should they include a 1st for Puljujarvi  
Greg from LI : 5/26/2020 4:06 pm : link
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I wouldn't add our second first to move Anderson  
Torrag : 5/26/2020 4:06 pm : link
I'd consider a lesser two pick package though. We do have two 3rds this year. I'd lead with offering a 3rd both this year and next. The furthest I'd go is a 2020 3rd(preferably the second one) and a 2021 2nd.

If not move on to other priorities for now.
let's get it on, I hope Vegas is one city chosen  
gtt350 : 5/26/2020 4:08 pm : link
we have a .002 of 1% infection rate in state
So are the top four seeds in each conf...  
BillKo : 5/26/2020 4:14 pm : link
..just practicing and waiting for the other teams?

Not sure why they didn't just re-do a 10 game reg season schedule with the just the 24 teams, then start the playoffs as usual......16 teams.
RE: no way in hell should they include a 1st for Puljujarvi  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14911105 Greg from LI said:
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I wouldn't but the Rangers seem to like him. Also, I wonder if they want a young Fin to help make Kakko more comfortable. I never like these "player needs a babysitter" scenarios, but I can only imagine what it's like for a 19 year old in a foreign country and not many people speak your language.

I think the Rangers are maybe second guessing their approach with young players maybe after both Andersson and Kravtsov had rough starts in the US.
RE: So are the top four seeds in each conf...  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14911111 BillKo said:
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..just practicing and waiting for the other teams?

Not sure why they didn't just re-do a 10 game reg season schedule with the just the 24 teams, then start the playoffs as usual......16 teams.


no, I think they have a round robin like tournament that I believe impacts their seeding. I'm looking forward to hearing about how.
i think they nixed the 10 regular season games  
MetsAreBack : 5/26/2020 4:26 pm : link
because it makes less money / ratings than a play-in format. Also wonder if there are more health risks when teams play a more diversified schedule of opponents. Agree it would have been more fair though.

I get Carolina nixing this because with 20 teams theyd have received a bye.... why was Tampa against it?

Would have though Pittsburgh and Edmonton as 5 seeds would have pushed for the 20 teams as so many of us have... i guess being good league citizens

Maybe  
Greg from LI : 5/26/2020 4:28 pm : link
Chytil's done fine, though.

I just question the idea of trading Andersson right now. His trade value couldn't possibly be lower. Why not hang on to him and at least hope he rebuilds some value?
RE: i think they nixed the 10 regular season games  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14911120 MetsAreBack said:
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because it makes less money / ratings than a play-in format. Also wonder if there are more health risks when teams play a more diversified schedule of opponents. Agree it would have been more fair though.

I get Carolina nixing this because with 20 teams theyd have received a bye.... why was Tampa against it?

Would have though Pittsburgh and Edmonton as 5 seeds would have pushed for the 20 teams as so many of us have... i guess being good league citizens


From the Lightning player rep, Alex Killorn:

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...โ€œThey didnโ€™t feel it was fair that certain teams that probably wouldnโ€™t have made the playoffs would have a chance to make the playoffs in a best-of-five series,โ€ said Killorn, the teamโ€™s player rep. โ€œMy team also felt it was unfair that the teams with a bye would not be as well prepared for a playoff series as the teams that had already basically played a playoff series to get into the playoffs.โ€...


...โ€œThe only problem I have with that format is that the top teams that have a bye,โ€ he said. โ€œI donโ€™t know how competitive the games will be going forward where the teams at the bottom will be playing playoff games right away and [would be] potentially more prepared for the real playoffs.โ€
RE: Maybe  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14911122 Greg from LI said:
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Chytil's done fine, though.

I just question the idea of trading Andersson right now. His trade value couldn't possibly be lower. Why not hang on to him and at least hope he rebuilds some value?


Only reason I can think of is because they started his ELC in year 1, this year is year 2, so after next season he becomes an RFA.

Possible his value won't get higher than his draft pedigree (#7 overall?)
Bettman might want to invest in an interior decorator,  
Mad Mike : 5/26/2020 4:35 pm : link
My bathroom is more aesthetically pleasing than the room he's doing this from.
'unfair chance to make the playoffs in a best-of-five series'  
Torrag : 5/26/2020 4:36 pm : link
The shortened season denied those teams in the race their chance to make a run down the stretch. Having the 5 game play in is probably the fairest decision they could have arrived at although a limited round robin applied to the regular season point totals could have accomplished the same thing.

To me either would be fairer than the 20 team proposal.
Can't do a first in the Puljujarvi deal  
Phil in LA : 5/26/2020 4:38 pm : link
because then you'd have spent 2 ones on Lias - a high one to get him and a low one to get rid of him - and you'd be giving them way too much reward for failing on Puljujarvi. Make it a 3rd.
two sites  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:39 pm : link
one for each conference. no cities named at this time. 10 or so cities being considered.

formal training camp to open no earlier than 1st half of July.

Individual and optional workouts now.

No dates for games, but they expect the season to go into early fall.

bracket  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:41 pm : link
vs seeding still TBD.

The first and second round length (5 or 7 games) still TBD.

Conference championship and SCF will be 7 games.
regular season OT rules for first 5 game series...  
Torrag : 5/26/2020 4:43 pm : link
traditional Playoff rules subsequently. Second 'round' also to be five game series. Makes sense they have to manage the calendar.

Frankly I'm fine with all these decisions so far. The initial play in is really a regular season substitute so having the 5 minute OT and shootout works and is fair.

A lot of teams  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:45 pm : link
get healthy with the pause.

Including maybe biggest impact is Jake Guentzel I think playoffs were a long shot for him initially, but now it's likely.

The draft  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:46 pm : link
sounds like a clusterf*ck.

Not sure why they just don't wait until after the qualifying round for the lottery.

Currently the lottery is planned for 6/26 with placeholders for the 8 teams knocked out in the qualifying round.

Seems like they made it more complex than necessary.
Kreider  
Phil in LA : 5/26/2020 4:46 pm : link
should be back, too.
RE: Kreider  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14911150 Phil in LA said:
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should be back, too.


And obviously Igor.
I thought Philly was going to be a strong  
Route 9 : 5/26/2020 4:47 pm : link
Cup contender before this nonsense went down.

Too bad they got a bad break. Too bad.
Drop the puck  
Gman11 : 5/26/2020 4:47 pm : link
already!
RE: regular season OT rules for first 5 game series...  
Mad Mike : 5/26/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14911143 Torrag said:
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traditional Playoff rules subsequently. Second 'round' also to be five game series.

I think you misheard. Regular season OT is for the round-robin games for the top 4. The play-in and subsequent games are all playoff OT. And no round other than the play-in has been set at 5 games yet, it's TBD.
.  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:49 pm : link
Eliteprospects
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The NHL Draft Lottery will occur on Friday, June 26th. Teams will be included in a lottery draw for the No. 1, 2, and 3 selections.

This is Phase 1 of the NHL Draft Lottery. Potential exists for a Phase 2 NHL Draft Lottery depending on results of play-in draft and Phase 1.
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