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pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 12:43 pm
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@jessi_pierce
Gary Bettman & #NHL to make a formal announcement on Return to Play for 2019-20 today at 3:30 CT on NBCSN and NHL Network[/quote]

I believe the 24-team "playoff/play-in" was approved. some details remained though, such as draft, seedings for the top 4 in each conference, logistics like location, testing/symptom handling, etc.

below is the proposed "playoff/play-in"



I believe this is what was approved.
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RE: Drop the puck  
Route 9 : 5/26/2020 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14911154 Gman11 said:
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already!


You made a salient statement.

For once.
Cities being considered  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 4:52 pm : link
Chicago?

And other than shoddy internet I have to say not a bad job from Bettman.

Sounds like  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 5:00 pm : link
the way the draft will work is 15 teams are eligible for the top 3 picks.

On 6/26 they'll have the lottery.

And if all 3 top picks are from the 7 teams not in the play-in then it's only one phase.

if one of the teams from the play-in gets a top 3 pick they'll have a phase 2 to determine which team got the top 3 pick and where everyone else picks.

I don't understand how they figure it out if for example team 8 wins pick 1. Who is team 8? Because today it would be team 24, but what if CHI or MTL (whoever you have as team 24) wins their play-in series - then they count in the 16 playoff teams.

So, that's why phase 2 will be after the play-in round.
Happy that it's confirmed  
Giants in 07 : 5/26/2020 5:01 pm : link
Flyers won 9 of 10 to jump the Penguins by 2 points, who now have to play a qualifying round vs Montreal. Pittsburgh lost 8 of their last 11. That's pretty rough.

The draft is going to be a mess.


Bob McKenzie tries to explain  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 5:03 pm : link
the 8 play-in team losers and their draft spot:

I still think they'd be better served just waiting until after the play-in round and have one phase with 15 lottery team, but....

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
NHL Draft Lottery will be on Friday June 26. The Nos. 1, 2 and 3 picks will be up for grabs. Fifteen teams — the seven who are no longer playing plus 8 more currently identified as Teams A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H — will be in the lottery. Same lottery odds as prior years.


Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
19m
Replying to
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Teams A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H will be the eight losing teams from the best-of-five play-in or qualifying round but assigning actual teams to the letters will come in a Phase 2 lottery, to be conducted after the qualifying round but before the playoffs.


Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
19m
If the winner of the No. 1 pick draw comes from the bottom 7 seven teams (DET, OTT, SJ (belongs to OTT), LA, ANA, NJ, BUF), that team is awarded No. 1. If the winner of the No. 1 pick draw comes from the other 8 teams, the No. 1 pick will be awarded in the Phase 2 lottery.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
18m
If the winner of the No. 2 pick draw comes from the bottom 7 seven teams (DET, OTT, SJ (belongs to OTT), LA, ANA, NJ, BUF), that team is awarded No. 2. If the winner of the No. 2 pick draw comes from the other 8 teams, the No. 2 pick will be awarded in the Phase 2 lottery.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
17m
If the winner of the No. 3 pick draw comes from the bottom 7 seven teams (DET, OTT, SJ (belongs to OTT), LA, ANA, NJ, BUF), that team is awarded No. 3. If the winner of the No. 3 pick draw comes from the other 8 teams, the No. 3 pick will be awarded in the Phase 2 lottery.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
12m
Once the top three picks have been awarded in Phase 1 or Phase 2, the remaining 12 spots will be assigned to the teams that didn’t win a draw and based on inverse order of their regular season points percentage at the time of the pause.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
17m
Replying to
@TSNBobMcKenzie
If all three of the top picks are awarded to the known bottom 7 teams, there is no need for a Phase 2 lottery. If any of the top three picks are won by an 8 to 15 alpha-designated team, the Phase 2 lottery is required.
Can't believe I'm saying this  
Kyle in NY : 5/26/2020 5:06 pm : link
but great job by Bettman and the NHL managing a very difficult situation thus far
Penguins luck?  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 5:13 pm : link
lose the play-in round to MTL, and win the lottery and draft Lafreniere.

Lemieux to Crosby to Lafreniere

I think  
Jay in Toronto : 5/26/2020 5:21 pm : link
the Rangers will advance and not be in the lottery.
RE: Penguins luck?  
Greg from LI : 5/26/2020 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14911168 pjcas18 said:
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lose the play-in round to MTL, and win the lottery and draft Lafreniere.

Lemieux to Crosby to Lafreniere


Don't give Bettman any ideas
Empty arenas  
KDubbs : 5/26/2020 5:29 pm : link
Will be like im back in the 90's at the coli.
I wonder if the Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 5:30 pm : link
would re-think selling at the deadline if they knew then what they know now. not huge game-breaking talent, but definitely depth (at least).

Kovalchuk
Scandella
Nate Thompson

the only other "seller" I think in the play-in would be the Wild and they traded Zucker to the Pens.

off the top of my head.
RE: Can't believe I'm saying this  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14911166 Kyle in NY said:
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but great job by Bettman and the NHL managing a very difficult situation thus far


I agree, even Bettman's press conference was well done (sans sketchy internet).

It sure seems like they are putting health first, want to make it fair when they return, and are trying to give the fans what they want.
RE: Empty arenas  
Route 9 : 5/26/2020 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14911181 KDubbs said:
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Will be like im back in the 90's at the coli.


Empty arenas in the playoffs? Isn't that concept very much alike with 2003 NJ Devil home games? Woooooooo
Bettman  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 6:33 pm : link
said they expect to play a full 2020-2021 season and can start as late as January.

As much as people are concerned with a rushed end to this season/playoffs, I think it's going to be bad for teams like BUF and DET (for example - really any of the 7 that don't qualify for the play-in) that will now possibly go from early March 2020 to January 2021 with no meaningful hockey.
.  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 6:39 pm : link
Amanda Stein
@amandacstein
·
5m
Bill Daly says the league is sensitive to the seven NHL teams who are not participating in the playoffs and the long lay-off they will have between seasons.

That's something the league will be looking at going forward and there might be different off-season rules as a result.
Sounds like players  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 6:54 pm : link
signed to ELC's during the pause will push to next year and cannot play in this year's resumed playoffs. This includes Alexander Romanov (MTL) and others.

Jared Book
@jaredbook
·
17m
Bill Daly says that as of right now, the league's position is that no club is entitled to sign a current year contract, which would mean TBD contract start dates would have to be pushed to 2020-21.

However, the decision will have to be made with the NHLPA.
So if Columbus beats Toronto  
Giants in 07 : 5/26/2020 7:52 pm : link
The Rangers are guaranteed a lottery pick?
RE: So if Columbus beats Toronto  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2020 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14911263 Giants in 07 said:
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The Rangers are guaranteed a lottery pick?


Yes, but Leafs pick is top 10 protected in 2020, so unless it's 11 - 15 they wouldn't get it AFAIK and then it depends on CAR vs NYR result.

If CAR wins, then the Rangers get a lottery pick (their own) and CAR pick.

If NYR win then they get a lottery pick - the worse pick of CAR or TOR if I understand it right.


It's really confusing  
Anakim : 5/26/2020 9:14 pm : link
But I believe the ideal situation for the Rangers is:

Toronto loses to the Blue Jackets, Carolina loses to New York (on New York's way to the Stanley Cup), BOTH Carolina and Toronto win the lottery: We get Carolina's pick, no matter what it is (even first overall).
RE: It's really confusing  
Anakim : 5/26/2020 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14911302 Anakim said:
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But I believe the ideal situation for the Rangers is:

Toronto loses to the Blue Jackets, Carolina loses to New York (on New York's way to the Stanley Cup), BOTH Carolina and Toronto win the lottery: We get Carolina's pick, no matter what it is (even first overall).


And wouldn't that suck for Carolina. They get ousted in the first round, win the lottery and the #1 overall pick by some miracle...but because Toronto won also and will be picking in the top-10, the Jerks will have to give that #1 overall pick to the team that ousted them in the playoffs.


Oh, and they would have Brady Skjei to show for it
Sounds like  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2020 11:58 am : link
Sorokin and Kaprizov will be in the KHL another year. I thought Kaprizov signed his ELC, but I guess due to circumstances around 2020-2021 season begin, it makes more sense for them to stay in Russia.

I hope Romanov isn't caught up in this too.

Jokke Nevalainen
@JokkeNevalainen
90/95% chance Sorokin and Kaprizov stay in the KHL for another season? That's not good.
RE: Sounds like  
KDubbs : 5/27/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14911689 pjcas18 said:
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Sorokin and Kaprizov will be in the KHL another year. I thought Kaprizov signed his ELC, but I guess due to circumstances around 2020-2021 season begin, it makes more sense for them to stay in Russia.

I hope Romanov isn't caught up in this too.

Jokke Nevalainen
@JokkeNevalainen
90/95% chance Sorokin and Kaprizov stay in the KHL for another season? That's not good.


Of course. The isles are a joke. Still nobody wants to play here. Good thing varlarmov was brought in over lehner cause he was gonna help bring sorokin over
Not so fast...  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/27/2020 12:15 pm : link
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CSKA president Igor Esmantovich commented on the information that goalkeeper Ilya Sorokin and striker Kirill Kaprizov will remain in the “army” club for next season.
“I wonder at the insight of correspondents who write information that does not contain any solid things. Unfortunately, the time without hockey in Russia pushes many correspondents to some sensation. There is no sensation here. Sorokin and Kaprizov have ended their contracts with the club, and they are not negotiating with the club, ”Esmantovich said in an interview with Championship correspondent Pavel Panyshev.


I'm not linking to the .ru site.
Also re Isles  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/27/2020 12:16 pm : link
Pelech cleared to practice
Haven't read through the thread  
Andy in Halifax : 5/27/2020 12:21 pm : link
But my first impression is the Devils get the screw job here. BNot only do they miss out on the playoffs despite Mtl getting through with essentially the same record, but if Vancouver loses their play in round, NJ likely won't get that draft pick this year.

This plan had little effect on ottawa so I don't really care, but I think this format is ridiculous. Just looks like they bent over to ensure Chicago, NYR and Monteal get to play. Big markets, big fan base, etc. I get it, they need as much attention as they can get but it seems silly to me. Oh well, no point bitching about it, unless you are NJ.
RE: Not so fast...  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2020 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14911710 Diversify yo bonds said:
Quote:


Quote:


CSKA president Igor Esmantovich commented on the information that goalkeeper Ilya Sorokin and striker Kirill Kaprizov will remain in the “army” club for next season.
“I wonder at the insight of correspondents who write information that does not contain any solid things. Unfortunately, the time without hockey in Russia pushes many correspondents to some sensation. There is no sensation here. Sorokin and Kaprizov have ended their contracts with the club, and they are not negotiating with the club, ”Esmantovich said in an interview with Championship correspondent Pavel Panyshev.



I'm not linking to the .ru site.


Good, hope it's just for clicks. the guy I quoted was a Fin though, not a Russian, but I imagine he got it elsewhere (Russia)
This is just for fun  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2020 1:34 pm : link
and I thought the NYR would be a team no one wants to face but I would love to see the matchups they had that produced this. 840 cup wins for the Rangers in 10,000 simulations? Just a hair below the Bruins?

In any case will be fun to see TBL knocked out early again.

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SportsLine
@SportsLine
· 4m
We simulated the #NHL playoffs 10,000 times and these teams won the Cup most often:

TB 17.9%
WAS 10.8%
COL 10.4%
BOS 9.8%
NYR 8.4%
STL 6.9%
PHI 5.8%
VGK 4.9%
TOR 4.5%
EDM 4.0%
VAN 2.9%
NAS 2.9%
MIN 2.9%
FLA 2.4%
PIT 1.7%
CAR 1.1%
WIN 1.0%

ARI, DAL, CAL, CHI, MON, NYI, CBJ < 1%
RE: RE: Sounds like  
JayBinQueens : 5/27/2020 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14911702 KDubbs said:
Quote:
In comment 14911689 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


Sorokin and Kaprizov will be in the KHL another year. I thought Kaprizov signed his ELC, but I guess due to circumstances around 2020-2021 season begin, it makes more sense for them to stay in Russia.

I hope Romanov isn't caught up in this too.

Jokke Nevalainen
@JokkeNevalainen
90/95% chance Sorokin and Kaprizov stay in the KHL for another season? That's not good.



Of course. The isles are a joke. Still nobody wants to play here. Good thing varlarmov was brought in over lehner cause he was gonna help bring sorokin over

How can you, with a straight face, blame the Isles for this?
The Sorokin  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2020 2:27 pm : link
tweet I shared sounds like it may not even be true.

a couple posts after my post, it was refuted.
RE: RE: RE: Sounds like  
KDubbs : 5/27/2020 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14911785 JayBinQueens said:
Quote:
In comment 14911702 KDubbs said:


Quote:


In comment 14911689 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


Sorokin and Kaprizov will be in the KHL another year. I thought Kaprizov signed his ELC, but I guess due to circumstances around 2020-2021 season begin, it makes more sense for them to stay in Russia.

I hope Romanov isn't caught up in this too.

Jokke Nevalainen
@JokkeNevalainen
90/95% chance Sorokin and Kaprizov stay in the KHL for another season? That's not good.



Of course. The isles are a joke. Still nobody wants to play here. Good thing varlarmov was brought in over lehner cause he was gonna help bring sorokin over


How can you, with a straight face, blame the Isles for this?


Well, why can the rangers get Igor over but the Isles cant get sorokin? Should've signed Lehner and been done with it. We wouldnt have to care about Sorokin. The tandem of Varlarmov and Greiss has been awful
Islanders are fucking irrelevant  
Davisian : 5/27/2020 2:53 pm : link
Suck on that.
This is where Shesterkin becomes an instant legend  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2020 2:56 pm : link
A rookie goalie carrying a team to a Cup, like Patrick Roy in 1986. Let it be so!
RE: This is just for fun  
ColHowPepper : 5/27/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14911779 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
and I thought the NYR would be a team no one wants to face but I would love to see the matchups they had that produced this. 840 cup wins for the Rangers in 10,000 simulations? Just a hair below the Bruins?
It is just for fun. How in tarnation can one project a team's play now vs. its play in the two months prior to the shutdown? Algorithms, I tell you, algorithms. So, if you're a good stock trader, have at it and go to Vegas.
RE: Haven't read through the thread  
MetsAreBack : 5/27/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14911714 Andy in Halifax said:
Quote:
But my first impression is the Devils get the screw job here. BNot only do they miss out on the playoffs despite Mtl getting through with essentially the same record, but if Vancouver loses their play in round, NJ likely won't get that draft pick this year.

This plan had little effect on ottawa so I don't really care, but I think this format is ridiculous. Just looks like they bent over to ensure Chicago, NYR and Monteal get to play. Big markets, big fan base, etc. I get it, they need as much attention as they can get but it seems silly to me. Oh well, no point bitching about it, unless you are NJ.


Let the hate flow... seriously though I see an issue with Chicago, Montreal and Arizona getting another shot... but NYR ... two points... back of Toronto and Columbus with 12 games left for all teams... one point ahead of Florida with one extra game played... and 1- and 2-points back, respectively, of NYI and Carolina while ceding two games. None of that is insurmountable.

NYR deserved their shot... maybe not in this best of 5 format with such as high a seed as Carolina, but one could have easily argued for a best of 3 or one game playoff with Florida... to then get into a 20 team tournament.

Considering MLB cant get its shit together on economics, football is at huge risk since they start in the Fall when that second spike probably does come to some degree, and basketball is looking at late July at best....

I'm not going to complain about this hockey plan at all.
I am not proud of  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2020 5:03 pm : link
MTL and CHI being included. I wouldn't have included them.

I probably would have just kept it at the 16 current playoff teams and said too bad if you were close, seasons end and the only gripe I think would be NYI because they had two games in hand on the 7th and 8th place teams and were only 1 pt behind them. Similar with MIN in the West.

I will gladly take the playoffs over a chance at the lottery every single time I have that choice.

But from what I read no team has worse odds at the SCF and hurt their lottery odds more than MTL.



Let's go  
Phil in LA : 5/27/2020 5:17 pm : link
Rangers! And let's hope Kaapo figured some things out during the break. He had 2 goals in the second to last game before the break - let's hope he has a fantastic Finnish.
Speaking of Max Domi  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2020 8:34 pm : link
and diabetes:

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Sean Shapiro
@seanshapiro
· 5h
Max Domi is a diabetic, Canadiens have said he won’t play when season resumes if it’s not safe. twitter.com/magodin/status…


and then Sam Stern added this about Kakko:

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Sam Stern
@SternScouting
This is *exactly* what the Rangers need to do with Kakko.

His legs were gassed all year and considering he’s a diabetic as well it seems like the safe move.

Absolutely no need to risk injury or illness.

Let him recover and come back strong next season.
This is the first I'm hearing about Kakko being diabetic  
Anakim : 5/27/2020 8:49 pm : link
I knew he had Celiac, but I didn't know he was diabetic
RE: This is the first I'm hearing about Kakko being diabetic  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2020 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14912243 Anakim said:
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I knew he had Celiac, but I didn't know he was diabetic


He has both.
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They'll obviously do the safe thing  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2020 8:57 am : link
Rangers have always erred on the side of caution in my view

But "recover" from what exactly? Seems like a dramatic tweet. And we're going to be living with this thing for years if not longer... they'll have to make the same decision in the fall/winter, in fact next season is probably more dangerous than this summer.
Plus the youth  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2020 9:30 am : link
are resilient at a much different level than grown men. I think Kakko will be physically fine - not sure what the other tweet was in reference to about recovering.

I just don't know if he or Domi are at greater risk of something COVID related due to their medical conditions.


This looks  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2020 12:55 pm : link
like it was a lot of fun to make, I hope they get knocked out of the playoffs as soon as humanly possible.

Cirelli taking a job as a waiter was kind of funny.
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kakko at 19 has had months off exactly what do they think...  
Torrag : 5/28/2020 1:10 pm : link
he has to 'recover' from? I don't know where he's living right now or what the lifestyles restrictions are but I bet if he has access to the ice he's skating daily. As far as diabetes these clowns have no idea if there is even any added 'risk'. So why are they pontificating about it? Did the teams Domi comment really need expanding on? Seems pretty self explanatory.

Chalk it up to another glacially slow corona day and nothing worthwhile to discuss.
Just the habs with Domi  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2020 3:07 pm : link
as you would expect.

Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
· 4m
On zoom conference call, John Davidson says that Rangers "will listen to science and the medical people" regarding playing status of Kaapo Kakko, who has type 1 diabetes.

Also,
Friedman has a brief blurb on Lias Andersson and the potential for him to play in today's return(?) of 31 thoughts. Doesn't sound like he knows anything more speculating based on the contract status.
Supposedly the Hurricanes made two alternative proposals.  
Mad Mike : 5/28/2020 4:09 pm : link
A) Having 3 more regular season games and then a regular playoffs bracket off those "final standings", and

B) Making the Rangers win 4 of 5 to advance against them.

It's unknown whether they also proposed that Shesterkin would have to play without a stick, or Panarin and Zib would have to skate with their laces untied.


lonk - ( New Window )
.  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2020 6:29 pm : link
Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
So NHL training camps won't start before July 10, although that doesn't mean they will start on July 10 necessarily. Just that they won't open before July 10. Inch by inch, people, inch by inch...
RE: Supposedly the Hurricanes made two alternative proposals.  
MetsAreBack : 5/29/2020 9:23 am : link
In comment 14912701 Mad Mike said:
Quote:
A) Having 3 more regular season games and then a regular playoffs bracket off those "final standings", and

B) Making the Rangers win 4 of 5 to advance against them.

It's unknown whether they also proposed that Shesterkin would have to play without a stick, or Panarin and Zib would have to skate with their laces untied.
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I understand where the Hurricanes are coming from, they werent at risk of missing the postseason so this is added risk. I'm surprised the Penguins and the 5-6 seeds in the west didnt also fight this solution... especially as we are now seeing training camps wont start until mid July which is really disappointing and overly conservative in my view.

As I've said a few times, the Rangers did deserve a shot though - I would have had them play a one-game playoff with Florida given how tight they were in the standings (Rangers led by one point but played one more game, so its not reasonable to just award Florida on a fractions of point higher PPG). Then had 20 playoff teams total.

Regardless now that this is being pushed out so far i'm not sure we'll even see this get played out.
RE: Supposedly the Hurricanes made two alternative proposals.  
Anakim : 5/29/2020 10:46 am : link
In comment 14912701 Mad Mike said:
Quote:
A) Having 3 more regular season games and then a regular playoffs bracket off those "final standings", and

B) Making the Rangers win 4 of 5 to advance against them.

It's unknown whether they also proposed that Shesterkin would have to play without a stick, or Panarin and Zib would have to skate with their laces untied.
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They nervous. They reeeeeeeeallly nervous. And we smell it.
I wonder  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2020 11:04 am : link
how effective Dougie Hamilton will be.

Canes D should be good, I don't think they were counting on having Hamilton when they traded for Skjei and Vatanen (Hamilton is a RD and Skjei LD, but I'm still not sure they acquire Skjei if Hamilton was healthy). They're legit 8 D deep.

Biggest weakness IMO for CAR is in net. Mrazek has been good, but I've never been a fan of his.

MAB, do you mean after the season was paused  
Giants in 07 : 5/29/2020 11:25 am : link
that the Canes weren't at risk of missing the playoffs?

Because they definitely were if the season played out as normal

To you guys that play or have played hockey competitively, how do you see the level of play going in these playoffs? I feel like the most skilled players are going to take over more than usual. In normal years, a good team effort can neutralize star players, but who knows if teams/players will be comfortable after such a long pause
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