NFT: Knicks to start look for coach in the next few weeks

And both coaches apparently really want to be a head coach here

Hey, if any of them can convince LaMelo to give a shit on defense and not be such a diva, it’ll help

Initially his rep was that he was a very thorough and hard working coach whose expertise were primarily on the defensive end. That reputation morphed into a guy who overused his top players and many blamed him for Derrick Rose's knee issues (which seems unfair).

Beyond the above, is he a guy that embraced the NBAs general direction, offensively speaking (stretch BIGs, eliminate post play and long 2s)?

I really hope you guys go in another direction.

be pretty happy with both Thibs and Atkinson, but both guys have had issues with their players (I guess not totally uncommon).

Retaining Miller as HC would be awful. He had a hot start and seems to be a good enough guy but some of his rotations have been atrocious.

on his first hire. I dont really want thibs but i guess we could do worse. Plus we are in good shape cause Thibs only overused the stars and Atkinson only didnt get along with the stars......well we dont have any stars!

If you stick with youth and development go atkinson..

If you are going to trade for suoerstars go thibs or a more established coach, not that atkinson is not established but his best quality is development..

Thibs is not a players coach but i think more establushed players are more likely to listen to him..

which is sorta a good sign IMO. Hopefully Rose keeps an open mind.

but he was setup to fail, he was brought here because he was well liked an a players coach, he was brought here to manage egos...

Once the knicks struck out he was useless

Aller is Rose's top lieutenant, Perry is the GM, Perrin (college scouting) and Zanin (pro scouting) are assistant GMs. I'm glad Aller is the one who seems to have Rose's ear, not Perry

Obviously not ground breaking at all, but a friend who works for an NBA team fully expects Thibs to the Knicks. Personally I would be very happy with him or Atkinson.

but we'd had some of the worst coaches I've ever seen in recent years - Fisher, Rambis, Hornacek, Fizdale. That's like four straight Pat Shurmurs. Mike Miller's basic competency and demeanor was a breath of fresh air by comparison, and Thibs would be a significant upgrade over the whole crew.

and he never adapted his defensive style to fit into the modern 3pt-heavy era, so you can't even call him a good defensive coach anymore. He has also never been great with young players.

I don't know why the Knicks want him so bad.

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and he never adapted his defensive style to fit into the modern 3pt-heavy era, so you can't even call him a good defensive coach anymore. He has also never been great with young players. I don't know why the Knicks want him so bad.

I am not saying he is some great developmentary coach but you cant say he is not great with young players..

Deng, rose, butler, gibson, noah, all young players who thrived

The Knicks have long been his dream job, so if he is Leon's preferred choice, it's just a formality. We know money won't be an issue.

who was a strong defensive coach. But in todays NBA i dont care how good of a defensive coach you are, its not going to matter. You dont win with defense anymore. Im not saying i want some Mike D type coach, id just rather one who is a bit more offensive minded.

But it does seem like a foregone conclusion.

Fuck Woj.

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Fuck Woj.

i am surprised because woj is a caa client

for a cool 9.5 million. At least he'll earn it when Thibs plays him 38 minutes per game.

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who was a strong defensive coach. But in todays NBA i dont care how good of a defensive coach you are, its not going to matter. You dont win with defense anymore. Im not saying i want some Mike D type coach, id just rather one who is a bit more offensive minded.

the offensive assistants are going to be a huge hire for thibs

were all serious minded guys with a profession/competitive mindset.

Nobody ever accused the Minnesota young guys of having these traits.

is someone just coming for the paycheck, rose took basically a pay cut and if you hire Thibs you know he wants to be here..

2011 - 11
2012 - 5
2013 - 23 (Rose missed entire season)
2014 - 28 (Rose played 10 games)
2015 - 11
2017 - 10
2018 - 4

I'd rather they didn't hire Thibs, but perhaps he's not quite a complete disaster offensively.

as vastly improved over what we've been accustomed to. Gotta start somewhere.

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as vastly improved over what we've been accustomed to. Gotta start somewhere.

I hope that's the case. Rose seems to have hired some qualified people, but like Phil and Mills...Rose has never had this job or any other role in which he had to build a team. Jury's still out on him IMO.

Got rotational minutes, seemed to work well with the young guys and is fundamentally sound. I'm glad he's coming back. Not like cap space will be useful anytime soon.

As for the coach... I don't really want a one dimensional coach in here. We saw that with JVG, we saw it with Mike D. Atkins or Miller is my preference, but maybe there's someone we're not thinking of they could go with.

and Mitch should play the rest if he can stay out of foul trouble.

The knicks team option players should have value and all should be back unless we actually need the money for an actual very good player.

Hopefully there are teams that will be looking to save some money and will be willing to give up assets for essentially free money since most of these guys have very little guaranteed money

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Got rotational minutes, seemed to work well with the young guys and is fundamentally sound. I'm glad he's coming back. Not like cap space will be useful anytime soon. As for the coach... I don't really want a one dimensional coach in here. We saw that with JVG, we saw it with Mike D. Atkins or Miller is my preference, but maybe there's someone we're not thinking of they could go with.

atkinson is not a great in game coach, the big knock is he is horrible game manager and his xs and os are not very good..

he is known for what he does in between games

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2011 - 11 2012 - 5 2013 - 23 (Rose missed entire season) 2014 - 28 (Rose played 10 games) 2015 - 11 2017 - 10 2018 - 4 I'd rather they didn't hire Thibs, but perhaps he's not quite a complete disaster offensively.

Yeah, this. Thibs has some weird stigma's attached that just aren't based in reality.

he'd be the best PG we've had here in a looooong time.

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In comment 14911939 Jan in DC said: Quote: Got rotational minutes, seemed to work well with the young guys and is fundamentally sound. I'm glad he's coming back. Not like cap space will be useful anytime soon. As for the coach... I don't really want a one dimensional coach in here. We saw that with JVG, we saw it with Mike D. Atkins or Miller is my preference, but maybe there's someone we're not thinking of they could go with. atkinson is not a great in game coach, the big knock is he is horrible game manager and his xs and os are not very good.. he is known for what he does in between games

I know. And we need to develop young guys, so he seems like he'd be good. But if he doesn't want to come here it's a moot point anyways.

Ian O'Connor
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11:29 AM · Feb 8, 2016

Thibs is a great coach, what he did with those Bulls teams was remarkable. The issues with the T-Wolves are a bit concerning, but some of those players are immature. Thibs would be a very reputable coach and a continuation of improving the culture and credibility of the team. Thibs should have been hired by Phil Jackson..

While Thibs arguably didn't get the most out of his players, Atkinson did and for a young team like the Knicks, that's extremely important. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Allen all improved under Atkinson. D’Angelo Russell had his lone All-Star season with the Nets. He didn't have Durant, he had Irving for 20 games and he was a noted pain in the ass during that time, LeVert missed a lot of time...and despite all of that, the Nets were primed for the playoffs, were top-10 in defense, and solid in scoring.



At least we're not considering Mark Jackson. Gotta imagine that if Thibs gets the job, Ed Pinckney and Andy Greer will join the staff.

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While Thibs arguably didn't get the most out of his players, Atkinson did and for a young team like the Knicks, that's extremely important. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Allen all improved under Atkinson. D’Angelo Russell had his lone All-Star season with the Nets. He didn't have Durant, he had Irving for 20 games and he was a noted pain in the ass during that time, LeVert missed a lot of time...and despite all of that, the Nets were primed for the playoffs, were top-10 in defense, and solid in scoring. At least we're not considering Mark Jackson. Gotta imagine that if Thibs gets the job, Ed Pinckney and Andy Greer will join the staff.

it also depends on what direction the Knicks go, if you are going youth movement thibs is not the best guy and atkinson should be the nukber 1 candidate..

But if the plan is to get superstars through trade or free agency atkinson is not the best candidate..

All superstars are pain in the asses and you need to build your system around them..

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In comment 14912062 Anakim said: Quote: While Thibs arguably didn't get the most out of his players, Atkinson did and for a young team like the Knicks, that's extremely important. Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Allen all improved under Atkinson. D’Angelo Russell had his lone All-Star season with the Nets. He didn't have Durant, he had Irving for 20 games and he was a noted pain in the ass during that time, LeVert missed a lot of time...and despite all of that, the Nets were primed for the playoffs, were top-10 in defense, and solid in scoring. At least we're not considering Mark Jackson. Gotta imagine that if Thibs gets the job, Ed Pinckney and Andy Greer will join the staff. it also depends on what direction the Knicks go, if you are going youth movement thibs is not the best guy and atkinson should be the nukber 1 candidate.. But if the plan is to get superstars through trade or free agency atkinson is not the best candidate.. All superstars are pain in the asses and you need to build your system around them..

True and I can't see how Leon Rose won't be a guy who goes after the stars. He is an agent after all.

hired their first choice (as reported by the media)? D'Antoni?

When they hired Fisher, Kerr was the top choice, when they hired Hornacek I believe it was Rambis or Blatt, when they hired Fizdale it was less clear but I think it was Jackson early on and then Budenholzer when he became available.

all day. 11 years younger and exactly what the Knicks need...Dinwiddie, Harris, Prince, Allen, LeVert. Atkinson or the college ranks for the next Stevens is the way to go. Not a 63 year old with a questionable track record with player development. The Knicks are 2-3-4 years from being interesting. 2021 means nada outside of development.

and go for the big splashy moves while trading young and promising prospects like RJ Barrett. Last thing we need is a past-his-prime or over-the-hill player with a fat salary like Chris Paul.

The track records of the front office hires and the few quotes from Rose in press releases would point toward a more patient approach, but Thibs over Atkinson would indicate otherwise. Knicks are always all over the map.