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little discussed onside kick/4-15 replacement point

Giants_West : 5/27/2020 5:04 pm
This might have been discussed here but if it has it hasn't been in the media that i have seen.

I think it needs to be addressed that a key factor in the how this all plays out on the field will be the rules structure surrounding penalties. With the current/previous onside kick options the rules generally favored the receiving team. In the new format unless something changes the rules will heavily favor the kicking/possessing team. Particularly as it is essentially a required passing down. For instance, pass blocking is less likely to result in a flag for holding against the offense than run blocking. Meanwhile DPI-DH-IC-RP all result in automatic first downs for the possessing team. They are also far more subjective than the penalties likely to be called one way or the other an any kick.

Injecting more opportunities for officials to directly impact the outcome of games is a very bad idea in my opinion. The fact that it will largely revolve around the overly subjective rules around the passing game or the obvious bias towards big name QBs wrt roughing the passer is likely to lead to an even greater number of unsatisfying endings to games in a sport that already is suffering from far to many.
Agreed. The proposed 4th & 15 option stinks and  
Red Dog : 5/27/2020 5:30 pm : link
should be rejected.

But it won't be.

The people running the game now are hell bent on ruining it.
They keep giving us more reasons NOT to watch the NFL ...  
Spider56 : 5/27/2020 5:55 pm : link
Eventually the sport will die of self inflicted wounds ...
Horrible rule.  
JB_in_DC : 5/27/2020 6:05 pm : link
If it passes, hopefully it suffers the same fate as the PI Review and only lasts a year.
I’m not for it  
Tuckrule : 5/27/2020 8:27 pm : link
But if it does pass I would much rather see it 4th and goal from the 15 yard line. This way, the defense does not need to defend the entire field which could lead to double moves and defensive PI on deep balls etc. The odds of a conversion would be significantly less than the proposed plan. If converted the ball can be moved to the 40 to simulate a 15 yard gain from the 25. Thoughts?
Get off my lawn!!!  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/28/2020 4:32 am : link
I kind of like the proposed change, because onside kicks have always struck me as fairly stupid. I agree that penalties are a concern. Anyway, let’s give it a chance and see how it plays out on the field. The change will affect maybe one or two plays per game. If it sucks, no big deal.
RE: I’m not for it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2020 7:48 am : link
In comment 14912221 Tuckrule said:
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But if it does pass I would much rather see it 4th and goal from the 15 yard line. This way, the defense does not need to defend the entire field which could lead to double moves and defensive PI on deep balls etc. The odds of a conversion would be significantly less than the proposed plan. If converted the ball can be moved to the 40 to simulate a 15 yard gain from the 25. Thoughts?


I definitely prefer your idea. Makes a lot of sense. And in this case, defensive PI would just give you a re-try from the spot of the foul instead of an automatic first down conversion.
Onsides kicks..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/28/2020 9:59 am : link
come into play because one team is desperate to come bak in a game they trail in the closing minutes. I really don't care how tough the conversion is - the team losing is losing because they haven't played well enough.

This rule gives them a much higher % of success, especially when you factor in the penalties. Why do we need to give the losing team a better chance of getting back into the game?

Make it 4th and 25 or something that has about a 4-5% chance of happening.
RE: Onsides kicks..  
Big Blue '56 : 5/28/2020 10:14 am : link
In comment 14912435 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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come into play because one team is desperate to come bak in a game they trail in the closing minutes. I really don't care how tough the conversion is - the team losing is losing because they haven't played well enough.

This rule gives them a much higher % of success, especially when you factor in the penalties. Why do we need to give the losing team a better chance of getting back into the game?

Make it 4th and 25 or something that has about a 4-5% chance of happening.



Erratum: “ Make it 4th and 25 or something that has about a 4-5% chance of happening.” That’s 50% against us. Let’s be accurate here.

Even while..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/28/2020 10:16 am : link
social distancing, you're a MURDERER!!!
Bet Chris Calloway would be in favor of it  
LTIsTheGreatest : 5/28/2020 10:25 am : link
23 years too late for him though
I wonder what the metrics would say  
widmerseyebrow : 5/28/2020 10:35 am : link
about going for it every time. Especially if you have a high powered offense and/or if you're facing a poor defense.
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