what comes to mind for me is the 2017 in Philly, or 2015 I think it was in New Orleans and was a shootout.
But even though it was a while ago, I remember the game against Tampa in 2012, which I think was when Nicks was injured and basically lost it after that.
It's too bad that the second part of his career was destroyed by our front office's ineptitude.
I think he’d a 6 TDs
Bree’s had 7
If I recall correctly
2015 vs Carolina
29-46, 4 TDS, a 21 pt comeback in the 4th qtr (defense still blew the game)
Something tells Manning feels pretty great about that game.
Eli proved once again that he was the consummate professional, the only one to show up to that game!!
Alex Smith couldn't throw a screen pass, Eli was throwing deep touch passes into the wind to Roger Lewis
...far from his best game but for whatever reason I remember it fondly
Lol yeah little baby culdn't put the big boy pants on for the big game. Had to punch a hole in the wall. Temper, temper.
Until Plaxico shot himself they were the best team in the game. During that span, Eli has so many great moments and was a top 5 quarterback in the league.
In 11, he took and inferior team to a Super Bowl
Championship. That was a team that made a “run” or got “hot” at the right time.
In those playoff there were not many quarterbacks that ever did it better.
The last seven seasons the Giants were a very bad team, one of the worst in the league. There was enough losing to end a career as a 500 quarterback.
But no doubt, in Big games, Eli seemed to get to a different level. A level that only the Elite reach.
People are shedding tears?
If the defense had held in those games, everyone's perspective about Eli might have been a little different. If the defense had held up in those games, the talk would be about how Eli was still clutch and delivering Game Winning Drives.
And then there were the times they failed him in other ways, like when the boat boys couldn't catch a cold in Green Bay, despite Eli hitting them in the numbers. Eli came out on fire that day, but it was all for nothing.
Until Plaxico shot himself they were the best team in the game. During that span, Eli has so many great moments and was a top 5 quarterback in the league.
In 11, he took and inferior team to a Super Bowl
Championship. That was a team that made a “run” or got “hot” at the right time.
In those playoff there were not many quarterbacks that ever did it better.
The last seven seasons the Giants were a very bad team, one of the worst in the league. There was enough losing to end a career as a 500 quarterback.
But no doubt, in Big games, Eli seemed to get to a different level. A level that only the Elite reach.
Agree that the Giants were the best team in football during that 07-08 stretch. But I do not think Eli was top 5, I think he was a very good qb on a complete football team, especially in the 08 season. He was probably 8-12 range. I think during the 11, 14, and 15 seasons he was definitely top 5 or close. The 14 and 15 football teams were just bad. He fell off a cliff in 16 (noticeably declining in 17) through the end of his career.
2 Superbowls. He was worth EVERY penny.
2 Superbowls. He was worth EVERY penny.
Eating $20 mill against the cap was a just reward by Mara for winning 2 SBs..I was never bothered by that
The 4 additional years ended up costing the Giants 89M against the cap for ages 35-38.
Over that period Manning won 20 games and was benched twice. This thread is a good barometer -- over that 4 year period how many great games did Manning have? I'd say maybe 2.
In 2015, the Giants would have been way better off adding 2 more years to his deal, not 4.
The 4 additional years ended up costing the Giants 89M against the cap for ages 35-38.
Over that period Manning won 20 games and was benched twice. This thread is a good barometer -- over that 4 year period how many great games did Manning have? I'd say maybe 2.
In 2015, the Giants would have been way better off adding 2 more years to his deal, not 4.
At the risk of the same conversation we've had many times before, who was the better alternative in that period? And reminder, those 4 years were split between 2 different regimes with 2 different objectives.
In regime #1 they won 11 games in 2016 and if OBJ shows up in the playoffs who knows where that team goes, so cutting him certainly wasn't happening in 2017.
McAdoo and TV superstar Marc Ross both profess their love of Mahomes now, but in the 2017 draft off that 11 win season they were in prime position to pull the trigger if they so chose to do so and instead took Davis Webb in round 3 (and Geno Smith as a FA).
Enter regime #2 and the other tera firma that's been hard packed - the blah alternatives in Gettleman year 1. Save money on Bridgewater, Fitzpatrick etc. so they could...add another Nate Solder, Markus Golden, or Golden Tate? And/or potentially draft from a QB class that they claim to have not been in love with.
Other than the obvious moves up for Mahomes (17) or Lamar (18), which could have easily happened despite Manning's presence since they drafted young QB's each of those years anyway, I remain unconvinced any of the alternatives were appreciably better than Manning and his league avg. cap # while they looked for QB of the future. He gave the last regime a last gasp to turn things around if the mercenary defense they'd built was more than a 1 year wonder and he gave the new regime a competent placeholder as well as by all accounts a great mentor.
a bunch but he certainly brought his A game in the WC game
2017
Week 3 vs. Philly, 3 TDs in the 4Q plus a Rosas FG to take the lead (lost on 61 yard fg)
Week 4 vs. TB, go ahead TD with 3 min left (lost on Folk FG)
Week 15 vs. Philly 434 yards and 3 tds vs. 12-2 SB winning Eagles (2 weeks post benching)
2018
Week 3 win vs. Houston near perfect passer rating (25/29, 297 2tds) - both teams entered this game 0-2, Houston went on to win 11 of 13 after that game and we....didn't.
2019
Miami game was obviously a nice send off
- The Giants could have extended Manning by 2 years, through the 2017 season
- I wanted Reese fired after 2015
- I wanted the Giants to cut Manning after the 2017 season
- I wanted the Giants to sign Teddy Bridgewater as a stop gap (as it turns out he made 13.25M over 2 years)
- I wanted the Giants to draft Nelson in 2018
- I wanted the Giants to draft Jones in 2019
I think his performance in the playoffs against GB in 2016 is overrated by many on here. He was very good in the first half and his receivers (not just Odell) let him down. He didn't do anything in the 2nd half though as they got smoked.
- The Giants could have extended Manning by 2 years, through the 2017 season
- I wanted Reese fired after 2015
- I wanted the Giants to cut Manning after the 2017 season
- I wanted the Giants to sign Teddy Bridgewater as a stop gap (as it turns out he made 13.25M over 2 years)
- I wanted the Giants to draft Nelson in 2018
- I wanted the Giants to draft Jones in 2019
I don't think this is too convenient at all, I agree with a lot of it, I just disagree that we'd be in a better position today vis a vis the Manning for Bridgewater (+cap room) piece.
I think we would have been similar or worse on the field with Bridgewater (if that's possible), I don't think the extra cap room would have bought much of value (maybe an extra Daryl Williams or Deone Buchanon) and I think there was superior value in Jones getting to share the QB room with Manning for a full year as opposed to Bridgewater, which further minimizes the cap benefit.
I think the Giants would be a few players closer if Manning was cut after 2017. And I honestly think the Giants are 1-2 key additions away from being a playoff team.
I believe keeping Manning set the team back about a year.
2 Superbowls. He was worth EVERY penny.
C'mon Britt. I know you love Eli but his last contract was a disaster. He was absolutely not worth the money he made the last 3 years of his career. I certainly don't fault the Giants for giving it to him after his 2014 and 2015 seasons but his play was in noticeable decline in 2016. I felt they should have released him after 2017, used the 10M in cap savings to help other areas of the team and start the rebuild then.
Who cares what Prescott is going to get? I wouldn't give him a massive contract but the same should apply to Jones. If he turns into a top 10 QB in the next couple of years then pay him. If not, try again.
He earned it after 2014 and 2015. A lot of players don't deliver on the backend of their contracts. The Giants poor management put them in the position they were in. I'm still unsure what exactly Manning's contract held them back from? I mean, they paid Manning and then went out and paid 200 million in Free Agency after 2015. Finally, what signing exactly did Manning's contract prevent?
The salary cap is manageable and fluid and I'm sure had the Giants needed money they could have converted whatever they needed to get it. Why as fans are we so zeroed in on what a guy makes? He made 17 million in his final year. The reason I brought up Prescott, and every other QB getting signed now, is that 17 million just a mere year ago seems like a bargain compared to the upwards of 30 million a year deals guys get now (undeservingly so, but such is the QB tax).
He's retired. His money is completely off the books. Why are we still beating this dead horse?
I'm not saying anything in particular, but in typical BBI fashion, I pretty much expect somebody to be bitching about this contract on the thread where we're discussing his HOF induction in 5-10 years.
The last game I really thought, damn, Eli Manning is taking names and might lead this team to make some noise was 2016 versus Baltimore.
Yes, the cap is fluid. They also had an opportunity as soon as the 2018 offseason to get out of that contract, but decided to double down. His continued presence on the roster delayed the completely necessary rebuild.
He made 17M in cash the last year of his deal but his cap hit was 23M. It doesn't matter how that compares to the contracts today with inflation. When he signed the contract, he was amongst the highest paid QBs in the league.
Lastly, any idea that anyone will be complaining about his final contract during his HOF induction is nonsense. We can both celebrate the great player he was in his prime and acknowledge that his decline was rapid and that the team clung to his corpse far too long.
I think the Giants would be a few players closer if Manning was cut after 2017. And I honestly think the Giants are 1-2 key additions away from being a playoff team.
I believe keeping Manning set the team back about a year.
You might be right about the Solder signing, but here we are and he's still arguably the best option at LT for Jones in year 2. I say arguably just because a case could be made for Jason Peters or Andrew Thomas, though there are also reasons to think Solder is still the better option right now.
Manning setting the team back a year is a bridge way too far for me, especially since any positive impact he had on Jones could also have helped speed up his development (which speeds up the real window that matters). Manning didn't stop them from drafting QB's in the top 100 3 straight drafts and ultimately ending up with (imo as of right now) the 2nd best QB prospect they had available to draft from between '18-'20 (Lamar being #1). And the free agents they missed out on were likely not their top targets who they still went after like Norwell/Solder, but rather a few extra bottom tier signings like the guys I'd mentioned earlier. Perhaps they'd have tagged Collins with the extra cap room last year, but then they also don't get the pick for Peart.
Gettleman's 2 seasons are a rorschach test and nobody will be right until we see how the record unfolds on the field for this core group (Jones, Barkley, Slayton, Thomas, Hernandez, Dex, Connelly, McKinney). But I really really like that core group.
I do think the Giants (the whole of leadership) terribly miscalculated the end of Manning era and they made a number of bad decisions in 2018.
It's important for ownership and management to internalize and acknowledge that. I personally believe the public focus on technology and hiring a young, unconventional candidate like Judge is evidence they have indeed done that.
All of the others player's careers are too short, too much money is on the line, too many livelihoods on the sideline are at stake to give free passes over sentimentality and wishful thinking over a single player.
I do think the Giants (the whole of leadership) terribly miscalculated the end of Manning era and they made a number of bad decisions in 2018.
It's important for ownership and management to internalize and acknowledge that. I personally believe the public focus on technology and hiring a young, unconventional candidate like Judge is evidence they have indeed done that.
All of the others player's careers are too short, too much money is on the line, too many livelihoods on the sideline are at stake to give free passes over sentimentality and wishful thinking over a single player.
I have a good feeling last year's draft will end up being superb, assuming that Baker is exonerated (though likely suspended four games or whatever for bad judgment); and, this year's draft just at least "smells" good though obviously way early.
The way we talk about Eli being clutch. I hope then you assume Patrick Mahomes isn’t human.
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The way we talk about Eli being clutch. I hope then you assume Patrick Mahomes isn’t human.
I am not familiar with you as a poster and I have been really hard on Eli since mid 2017 but I hope you are kidding with this comment. Eli was without question the most clutch quarterback in the NFL during his prime. Whenever he got the ball in his hands with a chance to win he delivered. Even before he was recognized as a great player he had that ability. He could play like shit for 3 quarters and pull a rabbit out of his ass and win the game. He was unquestionably a big game quarterback. I would say that while he was never as good as his brother (an all time great), I would have taken him in those 4th quarter situations over Peyton in a heartbeat.
this.
goes unnoticed because it was ended up as a blowout loss but he was throwing lazers all first half, his receivers let him down big time. by the second half the defense couldn't hold given the lack of any sustained drives by the offense