Just want to say that yes indeed there are times where he makes the wrong decision., But I believe there are better examples than the two you gave. On both those examples you give there really was not any kind of a clear path on the initial call for him. So IMO (especially with the 1st example) he was trying to out athletic the D.
I want to say during a Cowboys game he had a golden opportunity to break it outside after clearing the LoS but instead made the wrong decision and only got a 1 yard gain.
Hope improved OL will cover the flaws he was not supposed to have. The ugly is really his blocking . He is an explosive bounce it outside kinda guy that needs to learn to square his shoulders and get the tough yards too.
Most importantly, stay healthy. Tough yards will come if he gets a few inches to run and isn’t stopped in the backfield immediately after taking the handoff.
The kid is a marvel.
Barkley is arguably the best RB in football - this stuff is all
nitpicking. He is only going into year 3 and will clean up whatever mistakes (as every player does as they get experience). He scares the hell out of the defense, and is our most explosive player
He's not even close to the best RB in football. The blocking matters big time and right now, he's terrible at it and has zero confidence.
Bradshaw is not a good example - the guy had balls of steel the second he walked in. Barkley's problem is shying away from the physical.
just stop doubling down already. Not even close? Your take is not even close to rational and thought out. Your take is tainted with an agenda and insistence that you are right about something. Be objective.
He's a terrific talent and player that needs some work and the offense in general needs to be awakened with good coaching and OL upgrades. No doubt Barkley needs to work on pass PRO and inside running.
It's just a shame it's year 3 already. As we all know he's going to be run off to the glue factory in 2 more seasons....
I fully expect Barkley to have a dynamite year. With the best running back in the NFL, you have to have a consistently good running game you can hang your hat, which hasn't happened yet.
Over two years Barkley has gone over 70 yards just 15 times, and the Giants have ranked 24th and 19th in the league.
I'm not pinning all of it on Barkley -- but ideally if he's the best you'd like to see him have a transcendent impact on the ground game like Beckham did in 2016 to the pass game.
When everyone knows it's coming to you, and is doing everything to stop it, if you're the best you make it happen. I'm confident he'll evolve into that type of player.
He needs to get the tough yards and pass pro better.
Both those things are all about mindset
I would prefer he doesn't get the tough yard to avoid injury and wear and tear.
He's back there to routinely break a 80 yard run almost every game.
Then we better get a RB that can get that tough yard for him. Games are won or lost on short yardage conversions every week.
Not just short yardage conversions, but having the ability to run out the clock and control the time of possession by being able to gain 4-5 yards in a cloud of dust.
He needs to get the tough yards and pass pro better.
Both those things are all about mindset
I would prefer he doesn't get the tough yard to avoid injury and wear and tear.
He's back there to routinely break a 80 yard run almost every game.
Great. Second overall pick on a RB who shouldn't do what every other #1 RB in the league is supposed to do. Not get the tough yards not get the 1st down, not pass-protect, just break off an 80-yard run every once in a while. Brilliant.
Not just short yardage conversions, but having the ability to run out the clock and control the time of possession by being able to gain 4-5 yards in a cloud of dust.
Someone on BBI was posting stats on this exact concept, that a bunch of -1 to 1 yard runs, followed by a 50 yard run, does not help team win. It doesn't result in sustained drives. The poster was rather down on Barkley's running style for this reason. Forget who it was
he ran for 1 yard against the Jets on 13 carries.
Darnold outran him 25 to 1 on less carries.
Great example...got a few more gems?
Yeah he had a fantastic game in 2017 against the Titans at home...
But I guess running backs who have been touched by the hand of god can’t play well in the rain and wind.
2 years of his prime. Also, blocking aside, I just don't think he is consistent enough to become the highest paid RB in football. It is very possible he demands a new contract after this year. He is good for a long TD run once in awhile but he doesn't consistently churn out 5 YPC.
If Jones takes a big leap this year and Barkley stays healthy I think they should consider trying to move him for a 1st round pick and using the cap space elsewhere.
The big time backs are getting extended after year three. There's an argument to be made that if the Giants look like a team that's another 2-3 years away, moving Barkley should be considered.
- If Solder's play stays dreadful, Zeitler's injury issues persist, and the center position is a disaster.
- If Engrams cannot stay healthy, Shepard cannot stay healthy, and age slows down Tate.
- If Jones has difficulty acclimating to Garrets sytem.
Essentially if the Giants need to replace a half dozen starters and need time to mature, I can see an argument for not investing heavily in years 4-6 of a running backs career.
Barkley is one of the best in the game. You guys wanna trade everyone and use money elsewhere. You have to pay someone....
You guys want to blame him for not getting tough yards, the guy is hit in the backfield more than any back in football the OL gets fixed, barkley will be an animal who can carry an offense. You guys are just miserable as fuck. Its almost like you enjoy the giants sucking because you get ot bitch and moan.
Barkley hasn’t had an even halfway mediocre Oline to play behind
For a guy who gained nearly 3500 yards from scrimmage in his first 2 seasons (while also dealing with an injury for most of his second season), operating behind an offensive line that can be charitably called "below average".
Sure he needs to improve some things, but to call him "worthless" is just beyond the realm of reason. I guess some will never get over the fact he was a high draft pick.
Is by two of BBI’s “best”- Default and arniefez. Neither of these guys have appeared to show even the slightest hint of actual Giants fandom. Most of their contributions are negative, targeted attacks on individual players on the team as though they are personally responsible for causing them pain.
In short, they are losers who can be safely ignored since they seem to get a pass for being trolls on every football topic they join.
I want to say during a Cowboys game he had a golden opportunity to break it outside after clearing the LoS but instead made the wrong decision and only got a 1 yard gain.
But I really enjoy your breakdowns.
Both those things are all about mindset
Blocking is all about "want to." At 6' 233 lbs he should be able to block any LB or DB and at least slow up dline....no excuses.
The kid is a marvel.
Bradshaw is not a good example - the guy had balls of steel the second he walked in. Barkley's problem is shying away from the physical.
Bradshaw is not a good example - the guy had balls of steel the second he walked in. Barkley's problem is shying away from the physical.
He’s not even close? How absurd!
I can't believe there are people still calling this a bad pick. You don't pass on a sure thing. Barkley is a sure thing in every sense of the word.
Some of you know way too much for your own good.
Bradshaw is not a good example - the guy had balls of steel the second he walked in. Barkley's problem is shying away from the physical.
just stop doubling down already. Not even close? Your take is not even close to rational and thought out. Your take is tainted with an agenda and insistence that you are right about something. Be objective.
He's a terrific talent and player that needs some work and the offense in general needs to be awakened with good coaching and OL upgrades. No doubt Barkley needs to work on pass PRO and inside running.
It's just a shame it's year 3 already. As we all know he's going to be run off to the glue factory in 2 more seasons....
Darnold outran him 25 to 1 on less carries.
Darnold outran him 25 to 1 on less carries.
😂😂😂
Darnold outran him 25 to 1 on less carries.
I think you should bet your house on that happening again
Darnold outran him 25 to 1 on less carries.
Great example...got a few more gems?
Over two years Barkley has gone over 70 yards just 15 times, and the Giants have ranked 24th and 19th in the league.
I'm not pinning all of it on Barkley -- but ideally if he's the best you'd like to see him have a transcendent impact on the ground game like Beckham did in 2016 to the pass game.
When everyone knows it's coming to you, and is doing everything to stop it, if you're the best you make it happen. I'm confident he'll evolve into that type of player.
Both those things are all about mindset
I would prefer he doesn't get the tough yard to avoid injury and wear and tear.
He's back there to routinely break a 80 yard run almost every game.
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He needs to get the tough yards and pass pro better.
Both those things are all about mindset
I would prefer he doesn't get the tough yard to avoid injury and wear and tear.
He's back there to routinely break a 80 yard run almost every game.
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He needs to get the tough yards and pass pro better.
Both those things are all about mindset
I would prefer he doesn't get the tough yard to avoid injury and wear and tear.
He's back there to routinely break a 80 yard run almost every game.
Then we better get a RB that can get that tough yard for him. Games are won or lost on short yardage conversions every week.
Not just short yardage conversions, but having the ability to run out the clock and control the time of possession by being able to gain 4-5 yards in a cloud of dust.
All of those are valuable. If he's just the homerun threat, the Giants need an every down back.
You need to score on 4-5 possessions a game, not just one.
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He needs to get the tough yards and pass pro better.
Both those things are all about mindset
I would prefer he doesn't get the tough yard to avoid injury and wear and tear.
He's back there to routinely break a 80 yard run almost every game.
Great. Second overall pick on a RB who shouldn't do what every other #1 RB in the league is supposed to do. Not get the tough yards not get the 1st down, not pass-protect, just break off an 80-yard run every once in a while. Brilliant.
Not just short yardage conversions, but having the ability to run out the clock and control the time of possession by being able to gain 4-5 yards in a cloud of dust.
Someone on BBI was posting stats on this exact concept, that a bunch of -1 to 1 yard runs, followed by a 50 yard run, does not help team win. It doesn't result in sustained drives. The poster was rather down on Barkley's running style for this reason. Forget who it was
And dumping off a short pass to SB is also a good way to convert on short.
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he ran for 1 yard against the Jets on 13 carries.
Darnold outran him 25 to 1 on less carries.
Great example...got a few more gems?
Yeah he had a fantastic game in 2017 against the Titans at home...
But I guess running backs who have been touched by the hand of god can’t play well in the rain and wind.
If Jones takes a big leap this year and Barkley stays healthy I think they should consider trying to move him for a 1st round pick and using the cap space elsewhere.
- If Solder's play stays dreadful, Zeitler's injury issues persist, and the center position is a disaster.
- If Engrams cannot stay healthy, Shepard cannot stay healthy, and age slows down Tate.
- If Jones has difficulty acclimating to Garrets sytem.
Essentially if the Giants need to replace a half dozen starters and need time to mature, I can see an argument for not investing heavily in years 4-6 of a running backs career.
He is exactly what his record says he is.
Barkley is one of the best in the game. You guys wanna trade everyone and use money elsewhere. You have to pay someone....
You guys want to blame him for not getting tough yards, the guy is hit in the backfield more than any back in football the OL gets fixed, barkley will be an animal who can carry an offense. You guys are just miserable as fuck. Its almost like you enjoy the giants sucking because you get ot bitch and moan.
Sure he needs to improve some things, but to call him "worthless" is just beyond the realm of reason. I guess some will never get over the fact he was a high draft pick.
In short, they are losers who can be safely ignored since they seem to get a pass for being trolls on every football topic they join.
Tough yards are making your own hole and getting 2yds on 1st down.
A 5yd gain is a well executed play.