doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
And attendance is going to be down for the foreseeable future
so I can see new contracts being less as a result. The players union must see that coming as well. Play hardball now and what happens when the next big ticket FA makes 75% of what he would have gotten pre-COVID?
are minor league players and teams. They are driven by the MLB revenue stream and don't have the salaries or bargaining power of the MLB Union.
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
What kind of weird name is Trash Pandas? I've heard some strange minor league names, but that may be the most bizarre.
I realize it's a different circumstance, but the players aren't
voluntarily not playing - it's not as if league play is optional and they're choosing not to play to protect themselves. I don't see how it's that much different than paying a player during an injury.
These guys are under contract, and unless there is a clause that states they won't be paid during a non-voluntary work stoppage (i.e. strike, etc.) or their contract is based on a certain amount of games played, I don't seem how they're not entitled to their full pay.
I'm speaking purely from a contract standpoint - everyone's points about % based pay is logical, but if it's not written into their contracts - it could be negotiated but can't be forced on them. As an aside, I don't know how much MLB teams insurance carriers are involved in this situation, but I feel like as a whole - insurance carriers have somehow managed to be totally protected from claims arising from this pandemic and still raking in the premiums. I just don't get it.
doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
The players aren’t asking to be paid for 162. They aren’t getting paid right now. They are saying they want full prorated pay when they stat back up. MLB only wants to pay them a percentage of their salaries for games that get played
At least 4-5 educated people on this thread have said that baseball players are asking for "full" salaries - eg the contracts they signed to play 162 game seasons.
That is just not the case - they agreed to prorated salaries months ago.
Owners are banking on the players capitulating and bearing all of the losses while the Marlins continue to be worth over $1 billion as a franchise - I'm not so sure that happens. Lesser, younger players need to play and get paid... but the wealthier ones have already earned enough to say they're sitting the season out without earning what they believe they're worth.
What happens when 80% of the players agree to play for 30 or 40% of pay... but the stars of the game sit it out? There'd be more of an asterisk next to this year's champ than the hockey team that wins a 24 team tournament on neutral ice
If no fans, then there is obvious a lot less money to distribute. So, you can't make half you salary for half the games when the is not 100% income for half the games, which there obviously won't be.
I think it would be pretty cool to see the players that want to play, do so. If that means the top paid guys sit out, so be it. Don't really care about the record books, put an asterisk on it, but letting more minor leaguers play in the bigs would be fun to follow.
playoff hockey and basketball this summer vs dog day baseball
While the NFL sells most of its media rights, MLB retains most of theirs. Thus, rather than being paid rights fees from the networks, they’re getting ad revenue. Which is now cratering as companies are bleeding money and going bankrupt.
...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
I think if there are fans, it will be at significantly reduced capacity, and there will be enough fans happy to go so that anyone who's not comfortable attending will be able to opt out.
...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
I think if there are fans, it will be at significantly reduced capacity, and there will be enough fans happy to go so that anyone who's not comfortable attending will be able to opt out.
Agree. My guess is every season ticket holder will end up receiving a 2-3 game regular season package and will be told if they dont want to go they can re-sell their tickets on the ticketexchange... teams may give STHs an opt-out for this season too and then give others the opportunity to purchase ~4 games, or just put those tickets up for general public sale too ... either way, there wont be a tremendous amount of turnaround time.
When the players in all sports are told they will need to have significant lower salaries due to revenue loss this year. The leagues with a cap can just lower it but will the players accept that? The choice is yes or no pay at all, but I am not convinced that will be enough.
As for baseball, I am pessimistic. I really don't think there will be baseball this year. I do not think they will come to an agreement on pay and/or safety. And with the CBA expiring after 2021 who knows what the the future looks like for MLB. I don't think multiple years lost or delayed is sustainable for any number of franchises.
...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
My parents still have our family season tickets. Giants have been really understanding. My hey won’t be purchasing the season this year and they aren’t going to be penalized for it.
are minor league players and teams. They are driven by the MLB revenue stream and don't have the salaries or bargaining power of the MLB Union.
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
you're not kidding. this is going to crush some of those affiliates and individuals.
doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows. The player's union is very strong and probably a bit brazen. I just question the owners looking so innocent in all of this, but then again I always do. I tend to side with the players in these disputes, but I might have to make an exception in this instance if these details are 100% true.
And it will be exciting when they do come back, but players will be at a pretty high risk. Males are most effected by the disease and have higher risk of high blood pressure and what not.
So what happens when someone gets sick and the team
Isn’t 100%. What happens if someone gets sick and actually dies? What if a star player dies?
It’s all really crazy to think about. Those are real questions to be thought about though. I personally know someone who’s in their mid 40s and in. Great shape. The person was on a ventilator for 6 weeks, got off, went to rehab facility to try to regain mobility, and now has been put back on a ventilator. The only reason the person is alive is because he is in good shape before he got sick. What happens when that’s a pro athlete?
I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows.
Who knows? Everyone knows. As has been public information for several months, and literally already discussed in this very thread, the players are not, and have never, demanded to receive their full-season's salary. From the beginning, the league and players agreed to a pro-ration of everyone's salaries, based on how many games were ultimately played (with a 4% minimum if there's no season). The issue now is whether there are further reductions to account for empty stadiums on top of the reduction in games.
...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
Unless things dramatically change, how could the NFL possibly have fans in a stadium? Look at the church choir case to see how this virus can spread. And screaming/ cheering is very similar to singing.
I think the NFL plays because they have so much to lose financially but I can't envision a scenario with fans in attendance...
In the abstract, the MLB players are right, but there's simply no possible way they come out of this with public sympathy on their side. You have 40 million people or whatever out of work, you can't expect people to side with millionaire players. It doesn't matter that the owners are much richer than that - most fans already think the majority of players are overpaid for playing a game in the first place.
MLB is going to be a joke if they can't work something out while all the other leagues are.
Is the MLBPA stance really 100% of contracts? I thought they already had agreed to a salary cut, but the proposal just put out by owners has players getting as little as about 25%, which is ridiculous. I think the owners are looking worse than players right now, especially without their books opened up.
to answer your question, his career is over. Once this thing gets into your lungs, they are NEVER 100% again. ( just like with SARS-1). ANY professional athlete who plays any of these sports are risking their careers. A lot will, none should. The parameters the experts have laid out makes any team type sport a virtual impossibility. Money talks, so we will have a return soon. Pray for the players and coaches.
to answer your question, his career is over. Once this thing gets into your lungs, they are NEVER 100% again. ( just like with SARS-1). ANY professional athlete who plays any of these sports are risking their careers. A lot will, none should. The parameters the experts have laid out makes any team type sport a virtual impossibility. Money talks, so we will have a return soon. Pray for the players and coaches.
So in your mind sports should be gone forever then?
I'm glad your friend is better. I was just remarking at Dave in general. He's said a million things that ultimately turned out to be bunk. I don't doubt if you get this bad, your lungs will impacted forever.
You've been wrong a million times about COVID-19. If I were you, I'd stop talking like some expert when it comes to this.
I have a friend that is recovering from it and he was told his lungs were never going to recover from the damage from being on the ventilator.
He said he feels pretty normal, but he has frequent trips to the restroom still.
First glad your friend is feeling better..
But not every person goes on a ventilator, your friend is in the minority, and seems very lucky because 80% of the people who go on a ventilator do not survive...
Rudy Gobert had it and was ready to play the night he tested positive..
Dave on the UWS has been wrong so much during this entire thing...I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.
I’m actually surprised Dave hasn’t jumped off a bridge yet. It’s not just the Covid thread, but every single thread he posts on is apocalyptic. I think we all get taking this very seriously, but this dude is unhinged. And that’s being kind.
Get a fucking grip of yourself, Dave.
Dave is right in that players that actually proceed to a ventilator
have suffered a career-threatening injury, much like a major shoulder or ACL injury that has also ruined many promising careers.
Of course, BBDS was talking about a friend in his mid 40s who while in seemingly good shape (who knows about other conditions), was ... in his mid 40s and not a professional athlete.... so what the fuck that has to do with Dave's point about professional athletes in their 20s and 30s returning to sports in the coming years i have no fucking idea.
but with all these leagues now pushing back basically best case, their sports not starting until August even though summer is probably the safest time to do this, I'm losing hope
RE: Dave is right in that players that actually proceed to a ventilator
have suffered a career-threatening injury, much like a major shoulder or ACL injury that has also ruined many promising careers.
Of course, BBDS was talking about a friend in his mid 40s who while in seemingly good shape (who knows about other conditions), was ... in his mid 40s and not a professional athlete.... so what the fuck that has to do with Dave's point about professional athletes in their 20s and 30s returning to sports in the coming years i have no fucking idea.
My friend who fully recovered, is in his mid 30’s healthy and was a former marine and in really good shape.
I do know someone else that the only reason he alive is because he was in great shape prior to contracting COVID who is in his mid 40s. When he went off the ventilator he went to a rehab facility to try to tag in whatever he could back in terms of mobility and somehow ended back up on a ventilator. This dude runs a very successful franchise and has enough money to get the best care money can buy, but he’s still on a ventilator. 6 weeks on and just went back on recently.
I also have friends that are nurses that have constantly told me that the younger generation is not immune or invincible. They have told me time and time again that they have had younger people in their 20s/30s take a bad turn and get put on ventilators due to COVID.
So yeah. Could a professional athlete get sick and possibly not be able to return to previous form or even die. 100% Will that actually happen who knows.
but with all these leagues now pushing back basically best case, their sports not starting until August even though summer is probably the safest time to do this, I'm losing hope
i think nba and nhl are stalling hoping to have games in home stadiums wuth no fans
Well, only an idiot would think she or he is immune
Most states are already saying sports can return with no fans, even in new york and jersey
Again, are you talking about next season or this season. The NHL has already announced their plans for finishing up this season, and it's pretty clear what the NBA's plans are even if they haven't made a formal announcement, and neither involves teams' home stadiums.
Most states are already saying sports can return with no fans, even in new york and jersey
Again, are you talking about next season or this season. The NHL has already announced their plans for finishing up this season, and it's pretty clear what the NBA's plans are even if they haven't made a formal announcement, and neither involves teams' home stadiums.
I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
My point was it feels like both leagues are stalling right now
I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
The NHL has announced that they will hold all the games in 2 locations. I don't know how you can possibly continue to claim they might have teams playing at home - they've literally stated otherwise. And while the NBA hasn't made an official announcement, they have publicly stated they're planning to do the same thing as the NHL, most likely at Disney.
I genuinely have no idea what makes you think either of these leagues is considering using home arenas for the remainder of the 19/20 season.
I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
The NHL has announced that they will hold all the games in 2 locations. I don't know how you can possibly continue to claim they might have teams playing at home - they've literally stated otherwise. And while the NBA hasn't made an official announcement, they have publicly stated they're planning to do the same thing as the NHL, most likely at Disney.
I genuinely have no idea what makes you think either of these leagues is considering using home arenas for the remainder of the 19/20 season.
NBA has not stated anything publicly, they continue to say they are weighing all options...
NHL announced their format and stated they are looking and different options and different cities..
Both have said nothing will happen until july..
I never said they are planning in home stadiums, i said it FEELS like they are stalling to perhaps play in home stadiums because states are opening up..
I never said that is what is happening, it is my OPINION that they are stalling in hopes that that happens..
NBA has not stated anything publicly, they continue to say they are weighing all options...
This is incorrect, the NBA has publicly stated they are pursuing Disney as a single site for the rest of the season. That's hardly definitive, but there have been no statements, or even rumors, suggesting they're considering having teams play in their home arena.
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NHL announced their format and stated they are looking and different options and different cities..
Yes, and those options explicitly do not include teams playing in their home arenas (other than perhaps the teams located in the hub cities they settle on).
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I never said they are planning in home stadiums, i said it FEELS like they are stalling to perhaps play in home stadiums because states are opening up..
I never said that is what is happening, it is my OPINION that they are stalling in hopes that that happens..
I don't know what "feels like" means. The NHL has explicitly ruled out the scenario you think they're hoping for. It's really not a matter of OPINION. The NBA? Sure, I guess despite every report since they started talking about resuming being some type of neutral site playoffs you can hold the opinion they're actually planning for something else. But that really doesn't make any sense. (I also think you're completely ignoring the tremendous amount of planning that goes into resuming, both logistically and dealing with the medical concerns, in saying they're stalling).
I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows.
Who knows? Everyone knows. As has been public information for several months, and literally already discussed in this very thread, the players are not, and have never, demanded to receive their full-season's salary. From the beginning, the league and players agreed to a pro-ration of everyone's salaries, based on how many games were ultimately played (with a 4% minimum if there's no season). The issue now is whether there are further reductions to account for empty stadiums on top of the reduction in games.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
What kind of weird name is Trash Pandas? I've heard some strange minor league names, but that may be the most bizarre.
These guys are under contract, and unless there is a clause that states they won't be paid during a non-voluntary work stoppage (i.e. strike, etc.) or their contract is based on a certain amount of games played, I don't seem how they're not entitled to their full pay.
I'm speaking purely from a contract standpoint - everyone's points about % based pay is logical, but if it's not written into their contracts - it could be negotiated but can't be forced on them. As an aside, I don't know how much MLB teams insurance carriers are involved in this situation, but I feel like as a whole - insurance carriers have somehow managed to be totally protected from claims arising from this pandemic and still raking in the premiums. I just don't get it.
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doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
The players aren’t asking to be paid for 162. They aren’t getting paid right now. They are saying they want full prorated pay when they stat back up. MLB only wants to pay them a percentage of their salaries for games that get played
The only issue id have is if they resume games with no fans - then it becomes a slippery slope.
That is just not the case - they agreed to prorated salaries months ago.
Owners are banking on the players capitulating and bearing all of the losses while the Marlins continue to be worth over $1 billion as a franchise - I'm not so sure that happens. Lesser, younger players need to play and get paid... but the wealthier ones have already earned enough to say they're sitting the season out without earning what they believe they're worth.
What happens when 80% of the players agree to play for 30 or 40% of pay... but the stars of the game sit it out? There'd be more of an asterisk next to this year's champ than the hockey team that wins a 24 team tournament on neutral ice
If no fans, then there is obvious a lot less money to distribute. So, you can't make half you salary for half the games when the is not 100% income for half the games, which there obviously won't be.
Baseball hasn't even started, and lost days/games.
The NFL hasn't started, but hasn't lost days/games yet.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
I think if there are fans, it will be at significantly reduced capacity, and there will be enough fans happy to go so that anyone who's not comfortable attending will be able to opt out.
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...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
I think if there are fans, it will be at significantly reduced capacity, and there will be enough fans happy to go so that anyone who's not comfortable attending will be able to opt out.
Agree. My guess is every season ticket holder will end up receiving a 2-3 game regular season package and will be told if they dont want to go they can re-sell their tickets on the ticketexchange... teams may give STHs an opt-out for this season too and then give others the opportunity to purchase ~4 games, or just put those tickets up for general public sale too ... either way, there wont be a tremendous amount of turnaround time.
As for baseball, I am pessimistic. I really don't think there will be baseball this year. I do not think they will come to an agreement on pay and/or safety. And with the CBA expiring after 2021 who knows what the the future looks like for MLB. I don't think multiple years lost or delayed is sustainable for any number of franchises.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
My parents still have our family season tickets. Giants have been really understanding. My hey won’t be purchasing the season this year and they aren’t going to be penalized for it.
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
you're not kidding. this is going to crush some of those affiliates and individuals.
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doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows. The player's union is very strong and probably a bit brazen. I just question the owners looking so innocent in all of this, but then again I always do. I tend to side with the players in these disputes, but I might have to make an exception in this instance if these details are 100% true.
In a morbid sense this may resolve the MiLB reduction issue, with a bunch of teams going under without mlb even having to dissolve the affiliation.
So what happens when someone gets sick and the team
Isn’t 100%. What happens if someone gets sick and actually dies? What if a star player dies?
It’s all really crazy to think about. Those are real questions to be thought about though. I personally know someone who’s in their mid 40s and in. Great shape. The person was on a ventilator for 6 weeks, got off, went to rehab facility to try to regain mobility, and now has been put back on a ventilator. The only reason the person is alive is because he is in good shape before he got sick. What happens when that’s a pro athlete?
Who knows? Everyone knows. As has been public information for several months, and literally already discussed in this very thread, the players are not, and have never, demanded to receive their full-season's salary. From the beginning, the league and players agreed to a pro-ration of everyone's salaries, based on how many games were ultimately played (with a 4% minimum if there's no season). The issue now is whether there are further reductions to account for empty stadiums on top of the reduction in games.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
Unless things dramatically change, how could the NFL possibly have fans in a stadium? Look at the church choir case to see how this virus can spread. And screaming/ cheering is very similar to singing.
I think the NFL plays because they have so much to lose financially but I can't envision a scenario with fans in attendance...
MLB is going to be a joke if they can't work something out while all the other leagues are.
There is no guarantee one guy gets it evwryone will get it, rudy gobert had it and only 1 of his teammates got it..
So in your mind sports should be gone forever then?
I have a friend that is recovering from it and he was told his lungs were never going to recover from the damage from being on the ventilator.
He said he feels pretty normal, but he has frequent trips to the restroom still.
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You've been wrong a million times about COVID-19. If I were you, I'd stop talking like some expert when it comes to this.
I have a friend that is recovering from it and he was told his lungs were never going to recover from the damage from being on the ventilator.
He said he feels pretty normal, but he has frequent trips to the restroom still.
First glad your friend is feeling better..
But not every person goes on a ventilator, your friend is in the minority, and seems very lucky because 80% of the people who go on a ventilator do not survive...
Rudy Gobert had it and was ready to play the night he tested positive..
I’m actually surprised Dave hasn’t jumped off a bridge yet. It’s not just the Covid thread, but every single thread he posts on is apocalyptic. I think we all get taking this very seriously, but this dude is unhinged. And that’s being kind.
Get a fucking grip of yourself, Dave.
Of course, BBDS was talking about a friend in his mid 40s who while in seemingly good shape (who knows about other conditions), was ... in his mid 40s and not a professional athlete.... so what the fuck that has to do with Dave's point about professional athletes in their 20s and 30s returning to sports in the coming years i have no fucking idea.
What a weird thing to post.
I m still thinking there will be some fans , at least for NFL
but with all these leagues now pushing back basically best case, their sports not starting until August even though summer is probably the safest time to do this, I'm losing hope
Of course, BBDS was talking about a friend in his mid 40s who while in seemingly good shape (who knows about other conditions), was ... in his mid 40s and not a professional athlete.... so what the fuck that has to do with Dave's point about professional athletes in their 20s and 30s returning to sports in the coming years i have no fucking idea.
My friend who fully recovered, is in his mid 30’s healthy and was a former marine and in really good shape.
I do know someone else that the only reason he alive is because he was in great shape prior to contracting COVID who is in his mid 40s. When he went off the ventilator he went to a rehab facility to try to tag in whatever he could back in terms of mobility and somehow ended back up on a ventilator. This dude runs a very successful franchise and has enough money to get the best care money can buy, but he’s still on a ventilator. 6 weeks on and just went back on recently.
I also have friends that are nurses that have constantly told me that the younger generation is not immune or invincible. They have told me time and time again that they have had younger people in their 20s/30s take a bad turn and get put on ventilators due to COVID.
So yeah. Could a professional athlete get sick and possibly not be able to return to previous form or even die. 100% Will that actually happen who knows.
but with all these leagues now pushing back basically best case, their sports not starting until August even though summer is probably the safest time to do this, I'm losing hope
i think nba and nhl are stalling hoping to have games in home stadiums wuth no fans
Maybe for next season, but not for any return this summer to finish up the season.
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i think nba and nhl are stalling hoping to have games in home stadiums wuth no fans
Maybe for next season, but not for any return this summer to finish up the season.
Most states are already saying sports can return with no fans, even in new york and jersey
Again, are you talking about next season or this season. The NHL has already announced their plans for finishing up this season, and it's pretty clear what the NBA's plans are even if they haven't made a formal announcement, and neither involves teams' home stadiums.
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Most states are already saying sports can return with no fans, even in new york and jersey
Again, are you talking about next season or this season. The NHL has already announced their plans for finishing up this season, and it's pretty clear what the NBA's plans are even if they haven't made a formal announcement, and neither involves teams' home stadiums.
I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
My point was it feels like both leagues are stalling right now
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
The NHL has announced that they will hold all the games in 2 locations. I don't know how you can possibly continue to claim they might have teams playing at home - they've literally stated otherwise. And while the NBA hasn't made an official announcement, they have publicly stated they're planning to do the same thing as the NHL, most likely at Disney.
I genuinely have no idea what makes you think either of these leagues is considering using home arenas for the remainder of the 19/20 season.
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I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
The NHL has announced that they will hold all the games in 2 locations. I don't know how you can possibly continue to claim they might have teams playing at home - they've literally stated otherwise. And while the NBA hasn't made an official announcement, they have publicly stated they're planning to do the same thing as the NHL, most likely at Disney.
I genuinely have no idea what makes you think either of these leagues is considering using home arenas for the remainder of the 19/20 season.
NBA has not stated anything publicly, they continue to say they are weighing all options...
NHL announced their format and stated they are looking and different options and different cities..
Both have said nothing will happen until july..
I never said they are planning in home stadiums, i said it FEELS like they are stalling to perhaps play in home stadiums because states are opening up..
I never said that is what is happening, it is my OPINION that they are stalling in hopes that that happens..
This is incorrect, the NBA has publicly stated they are pursuing Disney as a single site for the rest of the season. That's hardly definitive, but there have been no statements, or even rumors, suggesting they're considering having teams play in their home arena.
Yes, and those options explicitly do not include teams playing in their home arenas (other than perhaps the teams located in the hub cities they settle on).
I never said that is what is happening, it is my OPINION that they are stalling in hopes that that happens..
I don't know what "feels like" means. The NHL has explicitly ruled out the scenario you think they're hoping for. It's really not a matter of OPINION. The NBA? Sure, I guess despite every report since they started talking about resuming being some type of neutral site playoffs you can hold the opinion they're actually planning for something else. But that really doesn't make any sense. (I also think you're completely ignoring the tremendous amount of planning that goes into resuming, both logistically and dealing with the medical concerns, in saying they're stalling).
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I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows.
Who knows? Everyone knows. As has been public information for several months, and literally already discussed in this very thread, the players are not, and have never, demanded to receive their full-season's salary. From the beginning, the league and players agreed to a pro-ration of everyone's salaries, based on how many games were ultimately played (with a 4% minimum if there's no season). The issue now is whether there are further reductions to account for empty stadiums on top of the reduction in games.
thanks I didn't know all the details.