just prepare for a deluge of advertisements and commercials like you've never seen before.
plus if ESPN's coverage of KBO baseball is any metric we're going to hear the announcers talk about COVID nearly as much or more than as the play-by-play.
Should be the easiest. You can practically social distance while playing.
Baseball is the hardest financially by far. Covid isn't the issue for the players. The majority of revenue comes from ticket sales. If there are no fans the salaries are getting reduced drastically. MLB has teams that own the television rights of their teams. That is not like the NFL. That makes it more difficult to open up. Hockey has the same thing as MLB but hockey already started their season and knows that if they are going to generate revenue that the playoff format will do that. Hockey already started their regular season so they can get away with that. Baseball is in a very unique situation and I wouldn't be surprised if there is no season.
Should be the easiest. You can practically social distance while playing.
Maybe to play but that's it. The rest is an utter mess. Strongest players union = might not be a season at all.
Exactly. MLB can't afford to blow this the optics will look HORRIBLE. Latest I read was the MLBPA wants 100% of their contracts. I just don't see how this could be achieved or why it be should considering these guys aren't going to be playing a full season.
not only are there going to be less games but ticket sales will be down for each game due to people not wanting to go out in big crowds. I don't see why their salaries should be "protected" for a pandemic like this when so much hinges on fans actually showing up.
Not sure how a baseball player can look at a fan that just lost their job due to COVID or was asked to take a paycut to keep their job, and keep a straight face.
This is hopefully a once in a generation (or longer) health crisis - take a per game paycheck and be done with it.
not only are there going to be less games but ticket sales will be down for each game due to people not wanting to go out in big crowds. I don't see why their salaries should be "protected" for a pandemic like this when so much hinges on fans actually showing up.
Not sure how a baseball player can look at a fan that just lost their job due to COVID or was asked to take a paycut to keep their job, and keep a straight face.
This is hopefully a once in a generation (or longer) health crisis - take a per game paycheck and be done with it.
In the other thread, I said I thought they should be paid the full per game salary. So if 81 games, 50% of their contract.
Attendance of sporting events has been way down for a while now as digitization of viewing sports has canabilized ticket sales for nearly every type of sport.
You can get a clear closer picture from your living room then you can in person.
Also the majority of revenue is now through TV/Broadcasting rights.
It’s also the reason that the cost of attending the games in good seats has risen so drastically. If you are going to attend you are going to pay out the wazoo to do it in good seats not so much in the nose bleeds.
I’m probably missing something about baseball, so I’d love to know what I am missing.
Attendance of sporting events has been way down for a while now as digitization of viewing sports has canabilized ticket sales for nearly every type of sport.
You can get a clear closer picture from your living room then you can in person.
Also the majority of revenue is now through TV/Broadcasting rights.
It’s also the reason that the cost of attending the games in good seats has risen so drastically. If you are going to attend you are going to pay out the wazoo to do it in good seats not so much in the nose bleeds.
I’m probably missing something about baseball, so I’d love to know what I am missing.
The NFL is about 15%. MLB is about 30% so twice the amount.
Attendance of sporting events has been way down for a while now as digitization of viewing sports has canabilized ticket sales for nearly every type of sport.
You can get a clear closer picture from your living room then you can in person.
Also the majority of revenue is now through TV/Broadcasting rights.
It’s also the reason that the cost of attending the games in good seats has risen so drastically. If you are going to attend you are going to pay out the wazoo to do it in good seats not so much in the nose bleeds.
I’m probably missing something about baseball, so I’d love to know what I am missing.
Well the fact that MLB has 81 home games and the NFL 8. I'd say that probably has something to do with it why MLB relies on ticket sales.
In the abstract, the MLB players are right, but there's simply no possible way they come out of this with public sympathy on their side. You have 40 million people or whatever out of work, you can't expect people to side with millionaire players. It doesn't matter that the owners are much richer than that - most fans already think the majority of players are overpaid for playing a game in the first place.
MLB is going to be a joke if they can't work something out while all the other leagues are.
doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
when these talkies go on and on about how they don't want to hear about the money issues but that's all they end up talking about anyway.
This is the nature of the beast. They can't hide these labor disputes or contract details from the public, although I think we'd all be better off if they did hide it.
dont come to an aggreement baseball is going to have a very noticable shift in economics. If they cant get back to playing this year under whatever circumstances and the owners take the hits that they will, not just in baseball since most owners are not just running baseball teams, there will be 20+ teams that operate like the Marlins and Pirates.
Not only will this year be screwed every team will start next year and probably 2022 in a hole. If there is no revenue there is no revenue sharing. Even if fans are allowed back in 2021 and beyond attendance is gonna take a massive hit for the next few years. Teams like the A's, Rays, Twins, Idians who feild competive teams at a discount already will be slashing payroll. Then there are all the teams who have given up trying to compete already this year who will now ride out their next few seasons without adding money to the teams.
Thats also not taking into account a team like the Mets who have been known cut spending when the Owners other Business expenses take a hit. You think the Wilpons are gonna take a personal hit or will they maintain there personal wealth by cutting payroll just when they seem like they are putting it together.
Th baseball owners are gonna stay rich while the teams act poor. long term huge money guarenteed deals are gonna disapear as there will be no teams looking at the same revenue projections anymore.
are minor league players and teams. They are driven by the MLB revenue stream and don't have the salaries or bargaining power of the MLB Union.
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
And attendance is going to be down for the foreseeable future
so I can see new contracts being less as a result. The players union must see that coming as well. Play hardball now and what happens when the next big ticket FA makes 75% of what he would have gotten pre-COVID?
are minor league players and teams. They are driven by the MLB revenue stream and don't have the salaries or bargaining power of the MLB Union.
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
What kind of weird name is Trash Pandas? I've heard some strange minor league names, but that may be the most bizarre.
I realize it's a different circumstance, but the players aren't
voluntarily not playing - it's not as if league play is optional and they're choosing not to play to protect themselves. I don't see how it's that much different than paying a player during an injury.
These guys are under contract, and unless there is a clause that states they won't be paid during a non-voluntary work stoppage (i.e. strike, etc.) or their contract is based on a certain amount of games played, I don't seem how they're not entitled to their full pay.
I'm speaking purely from a contract standpoint - everyone's points about % based pay is logical, but if it's not written into their contracts - it could be negotiated but can't be forced on them. As an aside, I don't know how much MLB teams insurance carriers are involved in this situation, but I feel like as a whole - insurance carriers have somehow managed to be totally protected from claims arising from this pandemic and still raking in the premiums. I just don't get it.
doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
The players aren’t asking to be paid for 162. They aren’t getting paid right now. They are saying they want full prorated pay when they stat back up. MLB only wants to pay them a percentage of their salaries for games that get played
At least 4-5 educated people on this thread have said that baseball players are asking for "full" salaries - eg the contracts they signed to play 162 game seasons.
That is just not the case - they agreed to prorated salaries months ago.
Owners are banking on the players capitulating and bearing all of the losses while the Marlins continue to be worth over $1 billion as a franchise - I'm not so sure that happens. Lesser, younger players need to play and get paid... but the wealthier ones have already earned enough to say they're sitting the season out without earning what they believe they're worth.
What happens when 80% of the players agree to play for 30 or 40% of pay... but the stars of the game sit it out? There'd be more of an asterisk next to this year's champ than the hockey team that wins a 24 team tournament on neutral ice
If no fans, then there is obvious a lot less money to distribute. So, you can't make half you salary for half the games when the is not 100% income for half the games, which there obviously won't be.
I think it would be pretty cool to see the players that want to play, do so. If that means the top paid guys sit out, so be it. Don't really care about the record books, put an asterisk on it, but letting more minor leaguers play in the bigs would be fun to follow.
playoff hockey and basketball this summer vs dog day baseball
While the NFL sells most of its media rights, MLB retains most of theirs. Thus, rather than being paid rights fees from the networks, they’re getting ad revenue. Which is now cratering as companies are bleeding money and going bankrupt.
...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
I think if there are fans, it will be at significantly reduced capacity, and there will be enough fans happy to go so that anyone who's not comfortable attending will be able to opt out.
...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
I think if there are fans, it will be at significantly reduced capacity, and there will be enough fans happy to go so that anyone who's not comfortable attending will be able to opt out.
Agree. My guess is every season ticket holder will end up receiving a 2-3 game regular season package and will be told if they dont want to go they can re-sell their tickets on the ticketexchange... teams may give STHs an opt-out for this season too and then give others the opportunity to purchase ~4 games, or just put those tickets up for general public sale too ... either way, there wont be a tremendous amount of turnaround time.
When the players in all sports are told they will need to have significant lower salaries due to revenue loss this year. The leagues with a cap can just lower it but will the players accept that? The choice is yes or no pay at all, but I am not convinced that will be enough.
As for baseball, I am pessimistic. I really don't think there will be baseball this year. I do not think they will come to an agreement on pay and/or safety. And with the CBA expiring after 2021 who knows what the the future looks like for MLB. I don't think multiple years lost or delayed is sustainable for any number of franchises.
...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
My parents still have our family season tickets. Giants have been really understanding. My hey won’t be purchasing the season this year and they aren’t going to be penalized for it.
are minor league players and teams. They are driven by the MLB revenue stream and don't have the salaries or bargaining power of the MLB Union.
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
you're not kidding. this is going to crush some of those affiliates and individuals.
doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows. The player's union is very strong and probably a bit brazen. I just question the owners looking so innocent in all of this, but then again I always do. I tend to side with the players in these disputes, but I might have to make an exception in this instance if these details are 100% true.
And it will be exciting when they do come back, but players will be at a pretty high risk. Males are most effected by the disease and have higher risk of high blood pressure and what not.
So what happens when someone gets sick and the team
Isn’t 100%. What happens if someone gets sick and actually dies? What if a star player dies?
It’s all really crazy to think about. Those are real questions to be thought about though. I personally know someone who’s in their mid 40s and in. Great shape. The person was on a ventilator for 6 weeks, got off, went to rehab facility to try to regain mobility, and now has been put back on a ventilator. The only reason the person is alive is because he is in good shape before he got sick. What happens when that’s a pro athlete?
I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows.
Who knows? Everyone knows. As has been public information for several months, and literally already discussed in this very thread, the players are not, and have never, demanded to receive their full-season's salary. From the beginning, the league and players agreed to a pro-ration of everyone's salaries, based on how many games were ultimately played (with a 4% minimum if there's no season). The issue now is whether there are further reductions to account for empty stadiums on top of the reduction in games.
...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
Unless things dramatically change, how could the NFL possibly have fans in a stadium? Look at the church choir case to see how this virus can spread. And screaming/ cheering is very similar to singing.
I think the NFL plays because they have so much to lose financially but I can't envision a scenario with fans in attendance...
In the abstract, the MLB players are right, but there's simply no possible way they come out of this with public sympathy on their side. You have 40 million people or whatever out of work, you can't expect people to side with millionaire players. It doesn't matter that the owners are much richer than that - most fans already think the majority of players are overpaid for playing a game in the first place.
MLB is going to be a joke if they can't work something out while all the other leagues are.
Is the MLBPA stance really 100% of contracts? I thought they already had agreed to a salary cut, but the proposal just put out by owners has players getting as little as about 25%, which is ridiculous. I think the owners are looking worse than players right now, especially without their books opened up.
to answer your question, his career is over. Once this thing gets into your lungs, they are NEVER 100% again. ( just like with SARS-1). ANY professional athlete who plays any of these sports are risking their careers. A lot will, none should. The parameters the experts have laid out makes any team type sport a virtual impossibility. Money talks, so we will have a return soon. Pray for the players and coaches.
to answer your question, his career is over. Once this thing gets into your lungs, they are NEVER 100% again. ( just like with SARS-1). ANY professional athlete who plays any of these sports are risking their careers. A lot will, none should. The parameters the experts have laid out makes any team type sport a virtual impossibility. Money talks, so we will have a return soon. Pray for the players and coaches.
So in your mind sports should be gone forever then?
I'm glad your friend is better. I was just remarking at Dave in general. He's said a million things that ultimately turned out to be bunk. I don't doubt if you get this bad, your lungs will impacted forever.
You've been wrong a million times about COVID-19. If I were you, I'd stop talking like some expert when it comes to this.
I have a friend that is recovering from it and he was told his lungs were never going to recover from the damage from being on the ventilator.
He said he feels pretty normal, but he has frequent trips to the restroom still.
First glad your friend is feeling better..
But not every person goes on a ventilator, your friend is in the minority, and seems very lucky because 80% of the people who go on a ventilator do not survive...
Rudy Gobert had it and was ready to play the night he tested positive..
Dave on the UWS has been wrong so much during this entire thing...I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.
I’m actually surprised Dave hasn’t jumped off a bridge yet. It’s not just the Covid thread, but every single thread he posts on is apocalyptic. I think we all get taking this very seriously, but this dude is unhinged. And that’s being kind.
plus if ESPN's coverage of KBO baseball is any metric we're going to hear the announcers talk about COVID nearly as much or more than as the play-by-play.
Baseball is the hardest financially by far. Covid isn't the issue for the players. The majority of revenue comes from ticket sales. If there are no fans the salaries are getting reduced drastically. MLB has teams that own the television rights of their teams. That is not like the NFL. That makes it more difficult to open up. Hockey has the same thing as MLB but hockey already started their season and knows that if they are going to generate revenue that the playoff format will do that. Hockey already started their regular season so they can get away with that. Baseball is in a very unique situation and I wouldn't be surprised if there is no season.
Maybe to play but that's it. The rest is an utter mess. Strongest players union = might not be a season at all.
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Should be the easiest. You can practically social distance while playing.
Maybe to play but that's it. The rest is an utter mess. Strongest players union = might not be a season at all.
Exactly. MLB can't afford to blow this the optics will look HORRIBLE. Latest I read was the MLBPA wants 100% of their contracts. I just don't see how this could be achieved or why it be should considering these guys aren't going to be playing a full season.
Not sure how a baseball player can look at a fan that just lost their job due to COVID or was asked to take a paycut to keep their job, and keep a straight face.
This is hopefully a once in a generation (or longer) health crisis - take a per game paycheck and be done with it.
Not sure how a baseball player can look at a fan that just lost their job due to COVID or was asked to take a paycut to keep their job, and keep a straight face.
This is hopefully a once in a generation (or longer) health crisis - take a per game paycheck and be done with it.
In the other thread, I said I thought they should be paid the full per game salary. So if 81 games, 50% of their contract.
Attendance of sporting events has been way down for a while now as digitization of viewing sports has canabilized ticket sales for nearly every type of sport.
You can get a clear closer picture from your living room then you can in person.
Also the majority of revenue is now through TV/Broadcasting rights.
It’s also the reason that the cost of attending the games in good seats has risen so drastically. If you are going to attend you are going to pay out the wazoo to do it in good seats not so much in the nose bleeds.
I’m probably missing something about baseball, so I’d love to know what I am missing.
Attendance of sporting events has been way down for a while now as digitization of viewing sports has canabilized ticket sales for nearly every type of sport.
You can get a clear closer picture from your living room then you can in person.
Also the majority of revenue is now through TV/Broadcasting rights.
It’s also the reason that the cost of attending the games in good seats has risen so drastically. If you are going to attend you are going to pay out the wazoo to do it in good seats not so much in the nose bleeds.
I’m probably missing something about baseball, so I’d love to know what I am missing.
The NFL is about 15%. MLB is about 30% so twice the amount.
Attendance of sporting events has been way down for a while now as digitization of viewing sports has canabilized ticket sales for nearly every type of sport.
You can get a clear closer picture from your living room then you can in person.
Also the majority of revenue is now through TV/Broadcasting rights.
It’s also the reason that the cost of attending the games in good seats has risen so drastically. If you are going to attend you are going to pay out the wazoo to do it in good seats not so much in the nose bleeds.
I’m probably missing something about baseball, so I’d love to know what I am missing.
Well the fact that MLB has 81 home games and the NFL 8. I'd say that probably has something to do with it why MLB relies on ticket sales.
MLB is going to be a joke if they can't work something out while all the other leagues are.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
This is the nature of the beast. They can't hide these labor disputes or contract details from the public, although I think we'd all be better off if they did hide it.
Not only will this year be screwed every team will start next year and probably 2022 in a hole. If there is no revenue there is no revenue sharing. Even if fans are allowed back in 2021 and beyond attendance is gonna take a massive hit for the next few years. Teams like the A's, Rays, Twins, Idians who feild competive teams at a discount already will be slashing payroll. Then there are all the teams who have given up trying to compete already this year who will now ride out their next few seasons without adding money to the teams.
Thats also not taking into account a team like the Mets who have been known cut spending when the Owners other Business expenses take a hit. You think the Wilpons are gonna take a personal hit or will they maintain there personal wealth by cutting payroll just when they seem like they are putting it together.
Th baseball owners are gonna stay rich while the teams act poor. long term huge money guarenteed deals are gonna disapear as there will be no teams looking at the same revenue projections anymore.
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
What kind of weird name is Trash Pandas? I've heard some strange minor league names, but that may be the most bizarre.
These guys are under contract, and unless there is a clause that states they won't be paid during a non-voluntary work stoppage (i.e. strike, etc.) or their contract is based on a certain amount of games played, I don't seem how they're not entitled to their full pay.
I'm speaking purely from a contract standpoint - everyone's points about % based pay is logical, but if it's not written into their contracts - it could be negotiated but can't be forced on them. As an aside, I don't know how much MLB teams insurance carriers are involved in this situation, but I feel like as a whole - insurance carriers have somehow managed to be totally protected from claims arising from this pandemic and still raking in the premiums. I just don't get it.
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doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
The players aren’t asking to be paid for 162. They aren’t getting paid right now. They are saying they want full prorated pay when they stat back up. MLB only wants to pay them a percentage of their salaries for games that get played
The only issue id have is if they resume games with no fans - then it becomes a slippery slope.
That is just not the case - they agreed to prorated salaries months ago.
Owners are banking on the players capitulating and bearing all of the losses while the Marlins continue to be worth over $1 billion as a franchise - I'm not so sure that happens. Lesser, younger players need to play and get paid... but the wealthier ones have already earned enough to say they're sitting the season out without earning what they believe they're worth.
What happens when 80% of the players agree to play for 30 or 40% of pay... but the stars of the game sit it out? There'd be more of an asterisk next to this year's champ than the hockey team that wins a 24 team tournament on neutral ice
If no fans, then there is obvious a lot less money to distribute. So, you can't make half you salary for half the games when the is not 100% income for half the games, which there obviously won't be.
Baseball hasn't even started, and lost days/games.
The NFL hasn't started, but hasn't lost days/games yet.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
I think if there are fans, it will be at significantly reduced capacity, and there will be enough fans happy to go so that anyone who's not comfortable attending will be able to opt out.
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...if the NFL does indeed have fans in the stands.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
I think if there are fans, it will be at significantly reduced capacity, and there will be enough fans happy to go so that anyone who's not comfortable attending will be able to opt out.
Agree. My guess is every season ticket holder will end up receiving a 2-3 game regular season package and will be told if they dont want to go they can re-sell their tickets on the ticketexchange... teams may give STHs an opt-out for this season too and then give others the opportunity to purchase ~4 games, or just put those tickets up for general public sale too ... either way, there wont be a tremendous amount of turnaround time.
As for baseball, I am pessimistic. I really don't think there will be baseball this year. I do not think they will come to an agreement on pay and/or safety. And with the CBA expiring after 2021 who knows what the the future looks like for MLB. I don't think multiple years lost or delayed is sustainable for any number of franchises.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
My parents still have our family season tickets. Giants have been really understanding. My hey won’t be purchasing the season this year and they aren’t going to be penalized for it.
My town just built one of the best minor league stadiums in the US and this was going to be the first season for the Trash Panda's (AA affiliate of the LA Angels). Now, the stadium is being used for kids camps, concerts and movie nights...
you're not kidding. this is going to crush some of those affiliates and individuals.
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doesn't give a flying fuck about public perception and why should they? They've been down this road before. They sucked it up in 94 and a few years later, once the dust settled from that stoppage, emerged smelling like a collective rose.
The fans always come back. The players union will do what's best for the players, not what the fans want. I don't know why they are asking for 100% but they will probably come down a bit and meet in the middle.
Well the fans don’t exactly “want” anything. Common sense says you shouldn’t get paid for work you didn’t do, just like everyone else getting laid off, hours cut back, or paycuts.
Why wouldn’t the MLB operate the same way as any other company needing to make cuts to run their business?
If the MLB moves to 81 games how can the players possibly expect to be paid for a 162 game season?
I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows. The player's union is very strong and probably a bit brazen. I just question the owners looking so innocent in all of this, but then again I always do. I tend to side with the players in these disputes, but I might have to make an exception in this instance if these details are 100% true.
In a morbid sense this may resolve the MiLB reduction issue, with a bunch of teams going under without mlb even having to dissolve the affiliation.
So what happens when someone gets sick and the team
Isn’t 100%. What happens if someone gets sick and actually dies? What if a star player dies?
It’s all really crazy to think about. Those are real questions to be thought about though. I personally know someone who’s in their mid 40s and in. Great shape. The person was on a ventilator for 6 weeks, got off, went to rehab facility to try to regain mobility, and now has been put back on a ventilator. The only reason the person is alive is because he is in good shape before he got sick. What happens when that’s a pro athlete?
Who knows? Everyone knows. As has been public information for several months, and literally already discussed in this very thread, the players are not, and have never, demanded to receive their full-season's salary. From the beginning, the league and players agreed to a pro-ration of everyone's salaries, based on how many games were ultimately played (with a 4% minimum if there's no season). The issue now is whether there are further reductions to account for empty stadiums on top of the reduction in games.
How will it handle season ticket holders who aren't comfortable going to the game, or perhaps have certain health conditions?
Will they refund? I believe the refund policy is only if fans in total aren't allowed (or the game is actually cancelled).
Unless things dramatically change, how could the NFL possibly have fans in a stadium? Look at the church choir case to see how this virus can spread. And screaming/ cheering is very similar to singing.
I think the NFL plays because they have so much to lose financially but I can't envision a scenario with fans in attendance...
MLB is going to be a joke if they can't work something out while all the other leagues are.
There is no guarantee one guy gets it evwryone will get it, rudy gobert had it and only 1 of his teammates got it..
So in your mind sports should be gone forever then?
I have a friend that is recovering from it and he was told his lungs were never going to recover from the damage from being on the ventilator.
He said he feels pretty normal, but he has frequent trips to the restroom still.
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You've been wrong a million times about COVID-19. If I were you, I'd stop talking like some expert when it comes to this.
I have a friend that is recovering from it and he was told his lungs were never going to recover from the damage from being on the ventilator.
He said he feels pretty normal, but he has frequent trips to the restroom still.
First glad your friend is feeling better..
But not every person goes on a ventilator, your friend is in the minority, and seems very lucky because 80% of the people who go on a ventilator do not survive...
Rudy Gobert had it and was ready to play the night he tested positive..
I’m actually surprised Dave hasn’t jumped off a bridge yet. It’s not just the Covid thread, but every single thread he posts on is apocalyptic. I think we all get taking this very seriously, but this dude is unhinged. And that’s being kind.
Get a fucking grip of yourself, Dave.