have suffered a career-threatening injury, much like a major shoulder or ACL injury that has also ruined many promising careers.
Of course, BBDS was talking about a friend in his mid 40s who while in seemingly good shape (who knows about other conditions), was ... in his mid 40s and not a professional athlete.... so what the fuck that has to do with Dave's point about professional athletes in their 20s and 30s returning to sports in the coming years i have no fucking idea.
but with all these leagues now pushing back basically best case, their sports not starting until August even though summer is probably the safest time to do this, I'm losing hope
RE: Dave is right in that players that actually proceed to a ventilator
have suffered a career-threatening injury, much like a major shoulder or ACL injury that has also ruined many promising careers.
Of course, BBDS was talking about a friend in his mid 40s who while in seemingly good shape (who knows about other conditions), was ... in his mid 40s and not a professional athlete.... so what the fuck that has to do with Dave's point about professional athletes in their 20s and 30s returning to sports in the coming years i have no fucking idea.
My friend who fully recovered, is in his mid 30’s healthy and was a former marine and in really good shape.
I do know someone else that the only reason he alive is because he was in great shape prior to contracting COVID who is in his mid 40s. When he went off the ventilator he went to a rehab facility to try to tag in whatever he could back in terms of mobility and somehow ended back up on a ventilator. This dude runs a very successful franchise and has enough money to get the best care money can buy, but he’s still on a ventilator. 6 weeks on and just went back on recently.
I also have friends that are nurses that have constantly told me that the younger generation is not immune or invincible. They have told me time and time again that they have had younger people in their 20s/30s take a bad turn and get put on ventilators due to COVID.
So yeah. Could a professional athlete get sick and possibly not be able to return to previous form or even die. 100% Will that actually happen who knows.
but with all these leagues now pushing back basically best case, their sports not starting until August even though summer is probably the safest time to do this, I'm losing hope
i think nba and nhl are stalling hoping to have games in home stadiums wuth no fans
Well, only an idiot would think she or he is immune
Most states are already saying sports can return with no fans, even in new york and jersey
Again, are you talking about next season or this season. The NHL has already announced their plans for finishing up this season, and it's pretty clear what the NBA's plans are even if they haven't made a formal announcement, and neither involves teams' home stadiums.
Most states are already saying sports can return with no fans, even in new york and jersey
Again, are you talking about next season or this season. The NHL has already announced their plans for finishing up this season, and it's pretty clear what the NBA's plans are even if they haven't made a formal announcement, and neither involves teams' home stadiums.
I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
My point was it feels like both leagues are stalling right now
I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
The NHL has announced that they will hold all the games in 2 locations. I don't know how you can possibly continue to claim they might have teams playing at home - they've literally stated otherwise. And while the NBA hasn't made an official announcement, they have publicly stated they're planning to do the same thing as the NHL, most likely at Disney.
I genuinely have no idea what makes you think either of these leagues is considering using home arenas for the remainder of the 19/20 season.
I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
The NHL has announced that they will hold all the games in 2 locations. I don't know how you can possibly continue to claim they might have teams playing at home - they've literally stated otherwise. And while the NBA hasn't made an official announcement, they have publicly stated they're planning to do the same thing as the NHL, most likely at Disney.
I genuinely have no idea what makes you think either of these leagues is considering using home arenas for the remainder of the 19/20 season.
NBA has not stated anything publicly, they continue to say they are weighing all options...
NHL announced their format and stated they are looking and different options and different cities..
Both have said nothing will happen until july..
I never said they are planning in home stadiums, i said it FEELS like they are stalling to perhaps play in home stadiums because states are opening up..
I never said that is what is happening, it is my OPINION that they are stalling in hopes that that happens..
NBA has not stated anything publicly, they continue to say they are weighing all options...
This is incorrect, the NBA has publicly stated they are pursuing Disney as a single site for the rest of the season. That's hardly definitive, but there have been no statements, or even rumors, suggesting they're considering having teams play in their home arena.
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NHL announced their format and stated they are looking and different options and different cities..
Yes, and those options explicitly do not include teams playing in their home arenas (other than perhaps the teams located in the hub cities they settle on).
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I never said they are planning in home stadiums, i said it FEELS like they are stalling to perhaps play in home stadiums because states are opening up..
I never said that is what is happening, it is my OPINION that they are stalling in hopes that that happens..
I don't know what "feels like" means. The NHL has explicitly ruled out the scenario you think they're hoping for. It's really not a matter of OPINION. The NBA? Sure, I guess despite every report since they started talking about resuming being some type of neutral site playoffs you can hold the opinion they're actually planning for something else. But that really doesn't make any sense. (I also think you're completely ignoring the tremendous amount of planning that goes into resuming, both logistically and dealing with the medical concerns, in saying they're stalling).
I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows.
Who knows? Everyone knows. As has been public information for several months, and literally already discussed in this very thread, the players are not, and have never, demanded to receive their full-season's salary. From the beginning, the league and players agreed to a pro-ration of everyone's salaries, based on how many games were ultimately played (with a 4% minimum if there's no season). The issue now is whether there are further reductions to account for empty stadiums on top of the reduction in games.
Of course, BBDS was talking about a friend in his mid 40s who while in seemingly good shape (who knows about other conditions), was ... in his mid 40s and not a professional athlete.... so what the fuck that has to do with Dave's point about professional athletes in their 20s and 30s returning to sports in the coming years i have no fucking idea.
What a weird thing to post.
I m still thinking there will be some fans , at least for NFL
but with all these leagues now pushing back basically best case, their sports not starting until August even though summer is probably the safest time to do this, I'm losing hope
Of course, BBDS was talking about a friend in his mid 40s who while in seemingly good shape (who knows about other conditions), was ... in his mid 40s and not a professional athlete.... so what the fuck that has to do with Dave's point about professional athletes in their 20s and 30s returning to sports in the coming years i have no fucking idea.
My friend who fully recovered, is in his mid 30’s healthy and was a former marine and in really good shape.
I do know someone else that the only reason he alive is because he was in great shape prior to contracting COVID who is in his mid 40s. When he went off the ventilator he went to a rehab facility to try to tag in whatever he could back in terms of mobility and somehow ended back up on a ventilator. This dude runs a very successful franchise and has enough money to get the best care money can buy, but he’s still on a ventilator. 6 weeks on and just went back on recently.
I also have friends that are nurses that have constantly told me that the younger generation is not immune or invincible. They have told me time and time again that they have had younger people in their 20s/30s take a bad turn and get put on ventilators due to COVID.
So yeah. Could a professional athlete get sick and possibly not be able to return to previous form or even die. 100% Will that actually happen who knows.
but with all these leagues now pushing back basically best case, their sports not starting until August even though summer is probably the safest time to do this, I'm losing hope
i think nba and nhl are stalling hoping to have games in home stadiums wuth no fans
Maybe for next season, but not for any return this summer to finish up the season.
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i think nba and nhl are stalling hoping to have games in home stadiums wuth no fans
Maybe for next season, but not for any return this summer to finish up the season.
Most states are already saying sports can return with no fans, even in new york and jersey
Again, are you talking about next season or this season. The NHL has already announced their plans for finishing up this season, and it's pretty clear what the NBA's plans are even if they haven't made a formal announcement, and neither involves teams' home stadiums.
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Most states are already saying sports can return with no fans, even in new york and jersey
Again, are you talking about next season or this season. The NHL has already announced their plans for finishing up this season, and it's pretty clear what the NBA's plans are even if they haven't made a formal announcement, and neither involves teams' home stadiums.
I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
My point was it feels like both leagues are stalling right now
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
The NHL has announced that they will hold all the games in 2 locations. I don't know how you can possibly continue to claim they might have teams playing at home - they've literally stated otherwise. And while the NBA hasn't made an official announcement, they have publicly stated they're planning to do the same thing as the NHL, most likely at Disney.
I genuinely have no idea what makes you think either of these leagues is considering using home arenas for the remainder of the 19/20 season.
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I dont know what is going to happe with this season, nhl has not announced where they will play yet..
NBA has not announced anything and seem to be spinning their wheels right now, even though players have said they are ready..
The NHL has announced that they will hold all the games in 2 locations. I don't know how you can possibly continue to claim they might have teams playing at home - they've literally stated otherwise. And while the NBA hasn't made an official announcement, they have publicly stated they're planning to do the same thing as the NHL, most likely at Disney.
I genuinely have no idea what makes you think either of these leagues is considering using home arenas for the remainder of the 19/20 season.
NBA has not stated anything publicly, they continue to say they are weighing all options...
NHL announced their format and stated they are looking and different options and different cities..
Both have said nothing will happen until july..
I never said they are planning in home stadiums, i said it FEELS like they are stalling to perhaps play in home stadiums because states are opening up..
I never said that is what is happening, it is my OPINION that they are stalling in hopes that that happens..
This is incorrect, the NBA has publicly stated they are pursuing Disney as a single site for the rest of the season. That's hardly definitive, but there have been no statements, or even rumors, suggesting they're considering having teams play in their home arena.
Yes, and those options explicitly do not include teams playing in their home arenas (other than perhaps the teams located in the hub cities they settle on).
I never said that is what is happening, it is my OPINION that they are stalling in hopes that that happens..
I don't know what "feels like" means. The NHL has explicitly ruled out the scenario you think they're hoping for. It's really not a matter of OPINION. The NBA? Sure, I guess despite every report since they started talking about resuming being some type of neutral site playoffs you can hold the opinion they're actually planning for something else. But that really doesn't make any sense. (I also think you're completely ignoring the tremendous amount of planning that goes into resuming, both logistically and dealing with the medical concerns, in saying they're stalling).
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I hear you. You're not wrong...i'm not in the room so I don't know what these owners are asking for. I tend to think the players aren't that dumb and aren't just asking for the same pay as they'd get in a regular seaosn of MLB play, but who knows.
Who knows? Everyone knows. As has been public information for several months, and literally already discussed in this very thread, the players are not, and have never, demanded to receive their full-season's salary. From the beginning, the league and players agreed to a pro-ration of everyone's salaries, based on how many games were ultimately played (with a 4% minimum if there's no season). The issue now is whether there are further reductions to account for empty stadiums on top of the reduction in games.
thanks I didn't know all the details.