so unless you are going to the end it just takes a while.
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UPDATE
5/31/2020 7:10 pm : link
As a public service, for the past two and half months I've allowed COVID-related discussions to be concentrated in this thread. I hope this was useful.
However, discussions within the thread seem to have steered away from the original purpose and have become more partisan in nature. This has present problems for the moderating team.
Moving forward, we are going to cease allowing non-sports-related COVID discussions on BBI. We will lock this thread and it will eventually be archived since so much work went into it.
I thank you for your understanding and cooperation on this matter.
so unless you are going to the end it just takes a while.
This is the contents of Eric's post:
Quote:
UPDATE
5/31/2020 7:10 pm : link
As a public service, for the past two and half months I've allowed COVID-related discussions to be concentrated in this thread. I hope this was useful.
However, discussions within the thread seem to have steered away from the original purpose and have become more partisan in nature. This has present problems for the moderating team.
Moving forward, we are going to cease allowing non-sports-related COVID discussions on BBI. We will lock this thread and it will eventually be archived since so much work went into it.
I thank you for your understanding and cooperation on this matter.
I wonder what external event someone didn't like that could have caused that.
kicker - I know you were enjoying that thread and it fell into your zone, but we were continually receiving complaints about the political nature of posts on it. However the dialogue had become over time less informative about what was happening, which was the stated intend, and much more theoretical which was not the intent of the thread.
for leaving that thread up as long as you did (moderators).
I know it got contentious at times, but I appreciated the thread and found it very valuable (early on especially).
Even those people who I disagreed with I still appreciated at some level.
The thread lost it's utility for me, so I stopped viewing it a couple weeks ago, but I know some people still found it informative and maybe even comforting to hear from a such a cross-section of people.
To all those who civilly added knowledge, opinion, discussion, and anecdotes I appreciate your contributions.
isn't it counterproductive if it just results in a bunch of new NFT's?
there's already been at least 1 that probably would have just gone in the corona thread. It's not like there's all that much else to talk about until camp actually opens, and camp opening in the first place is almost entirely tied to Corona which is just to say it's going to come up. So either there's a catchall thread for most of it or there will be a bunch of new ones.
and this is JMO but there was still a lot of good info being put into that thread daily (including yesterday), Bill's posts alone.
his choice to actualize the denouement of the most popular thread in BBI history – engendering hundreds of thousands of website clicks – as he begins his annual begging campaign in only a few short months.
RE: One wonders if Eric from BBI will keep in mind
his choice to actualize the denouement of the most popular thread in BBI history – engendering hundreds of thousands of website clicks – as he begins his annual begging campaign in only a few short months.
You really are a dick.
And people like you are the very reason why I regret even allowing the thread to start in the first place.
Personally I'd read and contributed less and less as it veered
into a discussion of economic ramifications and of course political partisanship that I either had no expertise (unlike kicker or Bill) or inclination (political views to prop up) to stay involved.
But it was extraordinarily useful with nods especially to BillL and other docs that contributed.
And really, what the heck else is there to talk about?
I feel like the number of posts I've dedicated to Shane Lemieux has likely already jinxed his career path right into the mortuary...
Personally I think it was a mistake to lock it, but thank you Eric for archiving it for reference.
RE: RE: One wonders if Eric from BBI will keep in mind
his choice to actualize the denouement of the most popular thread in BBI history – engendering hundreds of thousands of website clicks – as he begins his annual begging campaign in only a few short months.
You really are a dick.
And people like you are the very reason why I regret even allowing the thread to start in the first place.
Hey, don't fuck with the contributions drive...that's my good luck charm!
I think it steered away from politics to a large degree - compared with a theoretical guess at how it might have gone, anyway.
Except you have no idea how many comments the moderators were forced to delete and how many BBI posters got banned because of it. And that's with the moderators looking the other way on a lot of crap.
Current events threads go off the rails on BBI. Everyone knows it. Hell, two of the most commonly used phrases on BBI are "before this thread gets deleted..." and "I guess this thread is gone."
But I don’t understand why not just ban those posters that can’t control themselves to refrain from that instead of deleting informative threads that make bbi a better experience for everyone else who can behave themselves?
Comment deleted from thread 598561please read Eric's statement above
I read it - am I wrong that there's already been 1 new NFT thread today with Covid in the title on the front page? It also happens to be the most posted in thread today and most of the posters in it are people who used to post in the locked thread.
You guys can make whatever rules you want it just seems like more of a headache to have to moderate/allow/delete new threads popping up vs. just having a catch all since it's likely to still be a topic people post about (both related to sports and unrelated).
RE: I read some very political posts on the thread
But I don’t understand why not just ban those posters that can’t control themselves to refrain from that instead of deleting informative threads that make bbi a better experience for everyone else who can behave themselves?
We did ban a bunch of posters.
We did delete a bunch of threads.
But they kept popping up over and over again.
The thread was started 2 and a half months ago as a public service. There was a ton of good information on there (and that's why it will be archived).
But it served its purpose.
This is a sports website that has had to restrict discussions on current events because everything has become politicized.
It doesn't help me financially to do this. I do it for a variety of non-financial factors, including the sanity of the moderating team. Most people who come to a sports website do not want yet another place where they are bombarded with political messages.
Probably a very good idea.....I do not view myself controversial
With all respect, and I've said this many times in the past, the people who complain about not having restrictions are the many of the same people who insist someone gets banned for a difference of opinion.
Try walking in the shoes of Gidiefor, Gary, Boldruler, myself, or previous moderators who have been e-mailed by BOTH offended parties and DEMAND the other person be banned immediately (these same people usually hurl expletives at the moderators in the process).
I love the ones where somebody copies and pastes comments from the person they are complaining about while at the same time not including how they originally did the same thing.
Just like Twitter and Facebook, you have the absolute right to censor/delete whatever you want. It's not my baby.
I'll stop voicing disagreement over those policies, as its (i) fruitless and (ii) don't want to get another e-mail saying I'm being "belligerent"; it's a waste of my data space.
RE: RE: I read some very political posts on the thread
But I don’t understand why not just ban those posters that can’t control themselves to refrain from that instead of deleting informative threads that make bbi a better experience for everyone else who can behave themselves?
We did ban a bunch of posters.
We did delete a bunch of threads.
But they kept popping up over and over again.
The thread was started 2 and a half months ago as a public service. There was a ton of good information on there (and that's why it will be archived).
But it served its purpose.
This is a sports website that has had to restrict discussions on current events because everything has become politicized.
It doesn't help me financially to do this. I do it for a variety of non-financial factors, including the sanity of the moderating team. Most people who come to a sports website do not want yet another place where they are bombarded with political messages.
Eric, I get it I really do. I spent most of my life dealing with the public and beyond many being jerks, some are legitimately nuts so dealing with the public wears you down. But I would still argue that finding the sweet spot of bannings and allowing nothing with telling people that are so easily botherd that they email you to complain to try and not be so childish and use the feature that affords them the ability to view only football threads. That is the entire point of having that function and one reason when I see people complain about reprimands of starting NFT threads as a football thread I have often defended the moderator. It’s completely understandable that many would come here and only want to read about football. But anyone can easily do that, and if they “look” beyond that for things to complain about there is probably an ulterior motive.
But I get that it’s easier for you to just make a broad and fast rule. It’s just a shame that as many people on both sides of the issue are the cause of the problem, the whiners and the undisciplined in how they post. It cost us the local bar, and talking with regular friends feel this place had for so many years.
Eric, If I remember correctly, we lost the Weatherman due to the
The Covid thread was great with information provided from educated sources, front-line workers, scientists, etc.
We are very lucky to have the BBI because of the cross-section of educated sharers.
We are very lucky to have this forum for the things we discuss...and there are plenty to discuss in all facets without getting snarky with each other.
Our commonality besides being human is our love for the Giants!
Funny I always got the opposite impression, and it was more the moderation and bannings of perceived long valued members for his leaving. But who knows
But that's just me. The forum could simply have an ignore feature would would allow this entire framework of worrying about what other people think to go away. Sure there could be bannings from extreme behavior, but ignore functions are somewhat self-policing. You don't like the poster, you never have to see their writings again.
That thread was informative at a time of national crisis, which is clearly not over. Even though I did not post much in there I read it daily, and learned much. The national crisis is far from over.
Yes this is a football site. But is it only a football site? Either it is or it isn't. It is actually a community which could be better fostered.
All of the moderators are subjective and EACH has their own subjective biases. There are times when I react to a deleted thread, banning, or post by thinking, "I would have let that go." I'm sure the other moderators have felt the same way.
I'm going to guess and say at least 1/3 of the current posters have technically violated the Terms of Use, not just with posting restricted content but just by being abusive towards other posters. If we strictly enforced everything, we'd lose the a huge chunk of the posters. So a lot of this crap we let slide. But if someone is repeatedly being a dick, the attitude the team has is "enough is enough." This has even occurred with people we actually know and like.
But back to your original point. Most things are not black and white. They are gray. Those kind of posts were all over the COVID thread. Most people knew what the insinuation was due to the loaded language. Then came personal insults based on political affiliation. It's not rare and random. It's widespread. On EVERY current events thread now.
So you are asking each subjective moderator to make a judgment call on each post within an NFT thread on a sports website, thereby opening up the entire team to e-mails of "Why the fuck did you ban me you left-wing/right-wing asshole!! You didn't ban so-and-so." This isn't conjecture. We tried to do this multiple times in the mid-2010s and each time it failed. It doesn't work. We don't have the time, stomach, or patience to deal with it.
It's simply easier to say, no.
The site has changed because society started changing once we entered the 2010s. It is what it is.
Eric, thank you for keeping this site as ‘pure’ as possible,
There’s so much garbage everywhere on social media today, it’s a small salvation to have 1 place that can be an escape from reality. A haven to feel only the shared pain of our beloved heroes.
I was checking the thread daily since it started, but in the last week or so the conversation went down hill. Checking the recent posts I would see post after post about white supremacists , name calling, its all Trump's fault, its all Cuomo's fault and blatantly political posts that I'm surprised weren't deleted. There were two frequent posters that were constantly making inflammatory posts. They were deservedly called out by other posters and frankly I was surprised they weren't banned. I don't blame the mods for ending it and I can't imagine what it took to babysit it.
On the other hand I hope current events threads will be allowed. . What makes the BBI community so unique is that we have doctors, medical researchers, economists and other professionals that add a unique perspective that it is rare to see elseware. I hope that will be allowed and I hope the Mods aren't too inflexible. Yes, I know its a sports forum but it is current events that are on people's mind.
would feel the need to complain to the mods via email about somebody being mean to them.
How about we just ban anyone that complains to the moderators? That would save you some trouble in the long term.
No, we also rely on posters to tell us when their are problems. We don't see everything. In fact, I would say at least 1/3 of problematic posts are identified to us.
This is a football site where most people want to avoid these discussions. It’s easy if you don’t like Eric’s rules then you’re free to avoid his site where he dedicates so much of his time and effort into.
"Moving forward, we are going to cease allowing non-sports-related COVID discussions on BBI. We will lock this thread and it will eventually be archived since so much work went into it.
I thank you for your understanding and cooperation on this matter."
Apparently threads that promulgate NRA 'Second Amendment' points of view get a pass.
RE: There are plenty of places to discuss politics
This is a football site where most people want to avoid these discussions. It’s easy if you don’t like Eric’s rules then you’re free to avoid his site where he dedicates so much of his time and effort into.
I agree in part, but you have NFT for this reason so no one is making you look at the threads. But I understand the no political talk and have always agreed with it. The political talk in the COVID thread needed to go but I guess it became too numerous to police individually. And while I get it, its disappointing nonetheless.
his choice to actualize the denouement of the most popular thread in BBI history – engendering hundreds of thousands of website clicks – as he begins his annual begging campaign in only a few short months.
his choice to actualize the denouement of the most popular thread in BBI history – engendering hundreds of thousands of website clicks – as he begins his annual begging campaign in only a few short months.
LOL! “Actualize the denouement”...you ought to learn the meanings of big words before you use them. Congratulations for making one of the shittiest posts in bbi history.
The thread became hard to read. Too many pissing matches and people
I think it steered away from politics to a large degree - compared with a theoretical guess at how it might have gone, anyway.
Except you have no idea how many comments the moderators were forced to delete and how many BBI posters got banned because of it. And that's with the moderators looking the other way on a lot of crap.
Current events threads go off the rails on BBI. Everyone knows it. Hell, two of the most commonly used phrases on BBI are "before this thread gets deleted..." and "I guess this thread is gone."
Of course I don't know how many folks were banned and posts deleted in the process of keeping the thread alive and reasonable.
But I can imagine, after all on the LGBT profiling psych analysis thread I profiled as "Consul", LOL.
This is the contents of Eric's post:
5/31/2020 7:10 pm : link
As a public service, for the past two and half months I've allowed COVID-related discussions to be concentrated in this thread. I hope this was useful.
However, discussions within the thread seem to have steered away from the original purpose and have become more partisan in nature. This has present problems for the moderating team.
Moving forward, we are going to cease allowing non-sports-related COVID discussions on BBI. We will lock this thread and it will eventually be archived since so much work went into it.
I thank you for your understanding and cooperation on this matter.
This is the contents of Eric's post:
Quote:
UPDATE
5/31/2020 7:10 pm : link
As a public service, for the past two and half months I've allowed COVID-related discussions to be concentrated in this thread. I hope this was useful.
However, discussions within the thread seem to have steered away from the original purpose and have become more partisan in nature. This has present problems for the moderating team.
Moving forward, we are going to cease allowing non-sports-related COVID discussions on BBI. We will lock this thread and it will eventually be archived since so much work went into it.
I thank you for your understanding and cooperation on this matter.
Thanks Gilde
kicker - I know you were enjoying that thread and it fell into your zone, but we were continually receiving complaints about the political nature of posts on it. However the dialogue had become over time less informative about what was happening, which was the stated intend, and much more theoretical which was not the intent of the thread.
I know it got contentious at times, but I appreciated the thread and found it very valuable (early on especially).
Even those people who I disagreed with I still appreciated at some level.
The thread lost it's utility for me, so I stopped viewing it a couple weeks ago, but I know some people still found it informative and maybe even comforting to hear from a such a cross-section of people.
To all those who civilly added knowledge, opinion, discussion, and anecdotes I appreciate your contributions.
and this is JMO but there was still a lot of good info being put into that thread daily (including yesterday), Bill's posts alone.
You really are a dick.
And people like you are the very reason why I regret even allowing the thread to start in the first place.
But it was extraordinarily useful with nods especially to BillL and other docs that contributed.
And really, what the heck else is there to talk about?
I feel like the number of posts I've dedicated to Shane Lemieux has likely already jinxed his career path right into the mortuary...
Personally I think it was a mistake to lock it, but thank you Eric for archiving it for reference.
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his choice to actualize the denouement of the most popular thread in BBI history – engendering hundreds of thousands of website clicks – as he begins his annual begging campaign in only a few short months.
You really are a dick.
And people like you are the very reason why I regret even allowing the thread to start in the first place.
Hey, don't fuck with the contributions drive...that's my good luck charm!
Except you have no idea how many comments the moderators were forced to delete and how many BBI posters got banned because of it. And that's with the moderators looking the other way on a lot of crap.
Current events threads go off the rails on BBI. Everyone knows it. Hell, two of the most commonly used phrases on BBI are "before this thread gets deleted..." and "I guess this thread is gone."
I read it - am I wrong that there's already been 1 new NFT thread today with Covid in the title on the front page? It also happens to be the most posted in thread today and most of the posters in it are people who used to post in the locked thread.
You guys can make whatever rules you want it just seems like more of a headache to have to moderate/allow/delete new threads popping up vs. just having a catch all since it's likely to still be a topic people post about (both related to sports and unrelated).
We did ban a bunch of posters.
We did delete a bunch of threads.
But they kept popping up over and over again.
The thread was started 2 and a half months ago as a public service. There was a ton of good information on there (and that's why it will be archived).
But it served its purpose.
This is a sports website that has had to restrict discussions on current events because everything has become politicized.
It doesn't help me financially to do this. I do it for a variety of non-financial factors, including the sanity of the moderating team. Most people who come to a sports website do not want yet another place where they are bombarded with political messages.
But BBI posters go off the rails for saying anything that does not parrot their own views.
Try walking in the shoes of Gidiefor, Gary, Boldruler, myself, or previous moderators who have been e-mailed by BOTH offended parties and DEMAND the other person be banned immediately (these same people usually hurl expletives at the moderators in the process).
I love the ones where somebody copies and pastes comments from the person they are complaining about while at the same time not including how they originally did the same thing.
I'll stop voicing disagreement over those policies, as its (i) fruitless and (ii) don't want to get another e-mail saying I'm being "belligerent"; it's a waste of my data space.
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But I don’t understand why not just ban those posters that can’t control themselves to refrain from that instead of deleting informative threads that make bbi a better experience for everyone else who can behave themselves?
We did ban a bunch of posters.
We did delete a bunch of threads.
But they kept popping up over and over again.
The thread was started 2 and a half months ago as a public service. There was a ton of good information on there (and that's why it will be archived).
But it served its purpose.
This is a sports website that has had to restrict discussions on current events because everything has become politicized.
It doesn't help me financially to do this. I do it for a variety of non-financial factors, including the sanity of the moderating team. Most people who come to a sports website do not want yet another place where they are bombarded with political messages.
Eric, I get it I really do. I spent most of my life dealing with the public and beyond many being jerks, some are legitimately nuts so dealing with the public wears you down. But I would still argue that finding the sweet spot of bannings and allowing nothing with telling people that are so easily botherd that they email you to complain to try and not be so childish and use the feature that affords them the ability to view only football threads. That is the entire point of having that function and one reason when I see people complain about reprimands of starting NFT threads as a football thread I have often defended the moderator. It’s completely understandable that many would come here and only want to read about football. But anyone can easily do that, and if they “look” beyond that for things to complain about there is probably an ulterior motive.
But I get that it’s easier for you to just make a broad and fast rule. It’s just a shame that as many people on both sides of the issue are the cause of the problem, the whiners and the undisciplined in how they post. It cost us the local bar, and talking with regular friends feel this place had for so many years.
The Covid thread was great with information provided from educated sources, front-line workers, scientists, etc.
We are very lucky to have the BBI because of the cross-section of educated sharers.
We are very lucky to have this forum for the things we discuss...and there are plenty to discuss in all facets without getting snarky with each other.
Our commonality besides being human is our love for the Giants!
The Covid thread was great with information provided from educated sources, front-line workers, scientists, etc.
We are very lucky to have the BBI because of the cross-section of educated sharers.
We are very lucky to have this forum for the things we discuss...and there are plenty to discuss in all facets without getting snarky with each other.
Our commonality besides being human is our love for the Giants!
Funny I always got the opposite impression, and it was more the moderation and bannings of perceived long valued members for his leaving. But who knows
That thread was informative at a time of national crisis, which is clearly not over. Even though I did not post much in there I read it daily, and learned much. The national crisis is far from over.
Yes this is a football site. But is it only a football site? Either it is or it isn't. It is actually a community which could be better fostered.
lol, i see what you did there. And yes, they do have that right... as long as they are regulated entities going forward as a result.
All of the moderators are subjective and EACH has their own subjective biases. There are times when I react to a deleted thread, banning, or post by thinking, "I would have let that go." I'm sure the other moderators have felt the same way.
I'm going to guess and say at least 1/3 of the current posters have technically violated the Terms of Use, not just with posting restricted content but just by being abusive towards other posters. If we strictly enforced everything, we'd lose the a huge chunk of the posters. So a lot of this crap we let slide. But if someone is repeatedly being a dick, the attitude the team has is "enough is enough." This has even occurred with people we actually know and like.
But back to your original point. Most things are not black and white. They are gray. Those kind of posts were all over the COVID thread. Most people knew what the insinuation was due to the loaded language. Then came personal insults based on political affiliation. It's not rare and random. It's widespread. On EVERY current events thread now.
So you are asking each subjective moderator to make a judgment call on each post within an NFT thread on a sports website, thereby opening up the entire team to e-mails of "Why the fuck did you ban me you left-wing/right-wing asshole!! You didn't ban so-and-so." This isn't conjecture. We tried to do this multiple times in the mid-2010s and each time it failed. It doesn't work. We don't have the time, stomach, or patience to deal with it.
It's simply easier to say, no.
The site has changed because society started changing once we entered the 2010s. It is what it is.
It had run it's course weeks ago and if it hadn't been pandemic related the mods/Eric would have banished it weeks ago...as they should have.
Read my responses in this thread. We did. But they kept popping up. Numerous BBI posters were banned and posts removed because of the thread.
On the other hand I hope current events threads will be allowed. . What makes the BBI community so unique is that we have doctors, medical researchers, economists and other professionals that add a unique perspective that it is rare to see elseware. I hope that will be allowed and I hope the Mods aren't too inflexible. Yes, I know its a sports forum but it is current events that are on people's mind.
There are plenty of 21 year olds on there more than welcome to break COVID-19 down for you all.
How about we just ban anyone that complains to the moderators? That would save you some trouble in the long term.
How about we just ban anyone that complains to the moderators? That would save you some trouble in the long term.
No, we also rely on posters to tell us when their are problems. We don't see everything. In fact, I would say at least 1/3 of problematic posts are identified to us.
I thank you for your understanding and cooperation on this matter."
Apparently threads that promulgate NRA 'Second Amendment' points of view get a pass.
I agree in part, but you have NFT for this reason so no one is making you look at the threads. But I understand the no political talk and have always agreed with it. The political talk in the COVID thread needed to go but I guess it became too numerous to police individually. And while I get it, its disappointing nonetheless.
Probably safe. I can't see any way a thread on that topic could possibly get political or bring out emotions in people.
You should definitely start a thread on it. Probably have as much success as all of your previous nostradumbass predictions.
You really are a total turd(I toned it down).
I second this and there were many other very informative posters. I think it was an important thread and wish there was a way to continue it.
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Are the riots going on across the country a banned topic?
Probably safe. I can't see any way a thread on that topic could possibly get political or bring out emotions in people.
LOL. That thread would last like 2 minutes before all hell would break loose.
LOL! “Actualize the denouement”...you ought to learn the meanings of big words before you use them. Congratulations for making one of the shittiest posts in bbi history.
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I think it steered away from politics to a large degree - compared with a theoretical guess at how it might have gone, anyway.
Except you have no idea how many comments the moderators were forced to delete and how many BBI posters got banned because of it. And that's with the moderators looking the other way on a lot of crap.
Current events threads go off the rails on BBI. Everyone knows it. Hell, two of the most commonly used phrases on BBI are "before this thread gets deleted..." and "I guess this thread is gone."
Of course I don't know how many folks were banned and posts deleted in the process of keeping the thread alive and reasonable.
But I can imagine, after all on the LGBT profiling psych analysis thread I profiled as "Consul", LOL.