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NFT: MLB Owners proposing 50 game season

CMicks3110 : 6/1/2020 5:36 pm
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Major League Baseball intends to propose a shorter season in which they would pay players a full prorated share of their salaries, sources told ESPN. The league believes the late March agreement allows it to set the schedule, and that this would fulfill players’ pro rata desire.
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The potential season Major League Baseball envisions would run somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 regular-season games, sources told ESPN. The exact number is being considered, but the aim would be to return in July. It would be less than half of players’ proposed season length.
I'm starting to think there's not going to be  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/1/2020 5:40 pm : link
baseball anytime soon. MAD for both, but whatever.
seems like the easy/obvious solution is 80-100 games (~half season)  
Eric on Li : 6/1/2020 5:53 pm : link
with the players paid their prorated amounts. Everything could start some time in July, like everything else, and MLB will have only slightly soiled itself once again coming to a conclusion after every other league. And missing an opportunity to show some leadership as the first league back, but they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
RE: I'm starting to think there's not going to be  
nygiants16 : 6/1/2020 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14914322 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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baseball anytime soon. MAD for both, but whatever.


Seems players saying they are worried about health is all bs..

Both sides just care about money
thor and sevy  
Payasdaddy : 6/1/2020 5:56 pm : link
picked a good yr for UCL
50 is way to short  
section125 : 6/1/2020 5:57 pm : link
and 113 is way to long. Just make it 81 and pro-rata share and be done with it.
i've been rewatching Ken Burns Baseball series  
RasputinPrime : 6/1/2020 6:07 pm : link
and boy does this game have a long history of this sort of BS.
I swore I'd never watch baseball again after the strike of '94.  
Rico : 6/1/2020 8:11 pm : link
And I haven't. So what's going on now makes me glad I never regained that interest.
RE: RE: I'm starting to think there's not going to be  
MetsAreBack : 6/1/2020 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14914328 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14914322 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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baseball anytime soon. MAD for both, but whatever.



Seems players saying they are worried about health is all bs..

Both sides just care about money


Well yeah. It’s been obvious for a long time if you’re under 55 it’s not worth living a life of poverty over. Just hope our kids can overcome this devastation in terms of their lack of development for a year-plus

A 50 game season is completely pointless. As a fan I hate we hear all the negotiation because both sides are being unreasonable but if their deadline is a week at least the owners got back to them same day - that’s a good sign there’s some urgency.
RE: I swore I'd never watch baseball again after the strike of '94.  
UConn4523 : 6/1/2020 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14914387 Rico said:
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And I haven't. So what's going on now makes me glad I never regained that interest.


You keep telling us about it. Your 26 year grudge is alive and well I guess.
And if players are worried about their health  
UConn4523 : 6/1/2020 11:29 pm : link
what about the fans showing up that allow them to make the money they make? They aren’t risking it sitting 6 inches from each other for 3+ hours?
RE: And if players are worried about their health  
Mad Mike : 6/1/2020 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14914498 UConn4523 said:
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what about the fans showing up that allow them to make the money they make? They aren’t risking it sitting 6 inches from each other for 3+ hours?

What fans?
If the players were worried about their health  
Dankbeerman : 6/2/2020 8:35 am : link
they wouldnt be looking to play more games. athey would just demand their prorated salary for games played not trying to squeeze in an extra months worth of games.

Also eveyone just overlooks that both sides already agreed that the players get the year as service Thats huge. athat means that all these huge bad contracts get a year expired without paying full price. Like Jacoby Ellsburys 26 million that the yankees were refusing to pay is now only 13 million.

Also nobody is going to be over the luxury tax threshold so theres another chunkmof money that would have gone into the pool to help teams that are going to take the biggest hits. It may also techmicaly reset the tax % for all the teams that were over it.

And I dont think this will be a banner offseason for FA. Coming off down season with teams very aware that they cant count on the same attendance projections going forward and new CBA negotiation lumming noboynis gonna drop big money over a bunch of years.
What’s the point?  
Dave in PA : 6/2/2020 8:47 am : link
You can’t crown a legitimate champion off of a 50 game regular season. It will be hard enough on 80 games. Just scrap the whole thing
Mid-February 2021  
M.S. : 6/2/2020 8:50 am : link

Pitchers and catchers report to spring training.
RE: What’s the point?  
UConn4523 : 6/2/2020 8:51 am : link
In comment 14914536 Dave in PA said:
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You can’t crown a legitimate champion off of a 50 game regular season. It will be hard enough on 80 games. Just scrap the whole thing


I think its more about getting back to work than it is crowing a champion. The title is going to be "tainted" in any sport that comes back with a severely reduced season.

My only sympathy are for those in the minors who get paid little, and all the hard working crews at each facility (grounds crew, concessions, parking, etc). The players and owners losing money is what it is.
Baseball is toast for this year  
Harvest Blend : 6/2/2020 8:55 am : link
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Get your surgeries done now if you need one and reset to 2021.
RE: Mid-February 2021  
MetsAreBack : 6/2/2020 9:03 am : link
In comment 14914539 M.S. said:
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Pitchers and catchers report to spring training.


why? There wont be an effective vaccine by then.
RE: And if players are worried about their health  
MetsAreBack : 6/2/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 14914498 UConn4523 said:
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what about the fans showing up that allow them to make the money they make? They aren’t risking it sitting 6 inches from each other for 3+ hours?


not following... players want 110+ games, so they're evidently not concerned about their 0.02% chance of fatality... and the proposed solution doesnt have any fans in the stands... or maybe eventually they adopt the Texas guidelines of 25% occupancy (the same one the Miami Dolphins floated around a month ago too), which has fans sitting 10 part from each other. Either way, not sure what 'risk' you're referring to.
the risk was attendance  
UConn4523 : 6/2/2020 9:35 am : link
which I didn't realize wasn't a part of this proposal, so scratch my fan health comment.

But that looks bad too, considering no fans = no ticket sales, concessions, etc. Not sympathizing with the owners but I wouldn't agree to these terms either. Everyone is operating under extraordinary circumstances and giving in financially should be done on both sides.
The MLB proposal  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2020 9:38 am : link
was not random.

the players proposed 114 games, MLB proposed 50, what is the midpoint of those two?

82 games.

they shouldn't be negotiating publicly - it makes both sides look bad, but that's what they're doing. negotiating.
50 games is as stupid as the players 114 games and  
Victor in CT : 6/2/2020 10:56 am : link
playing into December.

the orig owners 80 game proposal was most workable. the fact that they cocked it up with the new pay proposal is another story.
My read on this is slightly different  
bhill410 : 6/2/2020 2:55 pm : link
The owners are saying essentially they can do 50 sans negotiation. This is probably closer to their economic break even point with no fans. If they are losing xx amount per game but will make xx amount with a new and expanded tv playoff then we should assume 50 games is an acceptable profit or break even for the owners.

Players would probably make about the same on 50 v 82 (lowered). For the players to propose more games when the owners are claiming they lose money per game is just a silly negotiating strategy and pure postering.
There’s a decent chance  
Dave on the UWS : 6/3/2020 9:38 am : link
a vaccine will be out by years end. Baseball can be the first sport with a “normal” season next year.
RE: There’s a decent chance  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/3/2020 9:48 am : link
In comment 14914856 Dave on the UWS said:
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a vaccine will be out by years end. Baseball can be the first sport with a “normal” season next year.


You also thought COVID-19 was going to wipe out half of America so your tune has changed significantly.
RE: My read on this is slightly different  
MetsAreBack : 6/3/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 14914684 bhill410 said:
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The owners are saying essentially they can do 50 sans negotiation. This is probably closer to their economic break even point with no fans. If they are losing xx amount per game but will make xx amount with a new and expanded tv playoff then we should assume 50 games is an acceptable profit or break even for the owners.

Players would probably make about the same on 50 v 82 (lowered). For the players to propose more games when the owners are claiming they lose money per game is just a silly negotiating strategy and pure postering.


You have made a lot of assumptions and placed faith in ownership's honesty with that post. Historically, these guys have been full of * when it comes to their books, and the players position is that they signed contracts... when the franchise value and revenues went up every year for a decade, the players didnt get all of that (I read somewhere the other day player salaries are up 40% or something over the last decade vs franchise values up 300%)... so why should the players take a bath to ensure the owners dont lose any money this one year?
I believe the 50 game proposal  
capone : 6/3/2020 11:24 am : link
will also include an additional round of playoffs - so between the prorata savings of paying just 50 games and the incremental revenue of another round of playoffs there is a deal to be made
Hey! Millionaires (players) and Billionaires (owners) gotta eat too!  
Marty in Albany : 6/3/2020 1:05 pm : link
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